So I fell asleep again via physical collapse on my books. Hooray sleeping pattern.
Still rereading and matching.
See, the white swan's hairpins are a problem, because why are those black ones in there?
if it was a reference to the black swan, then why doesn't the black swan have white hairpins?
The black swan does have white hairpins.
I think she means Why doesn't the black swan have
black hairpins.
the puzzle being solved should not rely on specific people being lynched. it should be able to be solved from ANY combination of seven people still being alive. otherwise the puzzle could remain unsolvable at LYLO. yet if we assume that me, leaf, web 2, ottofar, web 1, toaster, and jim are all alive, then we wouldn't have the "solution" available for solving, due to lack of flips. assuming that Leaf's colors system is correct.
The scenario you've described is not lylo. It's "town is outnumbered and has to rely on luck in order to have any chance of winning".
Leaving that aside, I think you're incorrect. Let's assume that all three mafia members have fabricated their claims. Let's say that at this point someone realizes the significance of the colours puzzle. They notice that three of the current claims correspond perfectly to white, red and black. Then, they read the White Swan's claim and hear about the Black Swan - it's clear that the Black Swan must be evil, due to her nature in Swan Lake. This gets the person thinking - Toaster's claim is red. And NQT's roleflip implies that there are two flowers present - a lily, generally white, and a rose, generally red. So perhaps there's also a lily role unclaimed. They complete the pattern by supposing that the black roleclaim has a red counterpart (this one would be easier due to the fact that webadict II would be dancing at people). Then, starting from the assumption that the Black Swan is mafia, they create their black-red-white team: Black Swan, white lily, Red Shoes.
Sure, it's difficult, but if the town gets into that bad a situation then it should be difficult for them to instantly turn it around. The puzzle becomes much easier if you lynch mafia members, which makes sense as good scumhunting should be rewarded.
...I'm not in that list? D: You guys don't know my role. :I
Anyway: The situation is more like 3 Town 3 Scum and 1 SK...I really think its LYLO. Only that Town can't win as long as Jim is still there (the Town wincon is screwy though. The Prince is not under any attack. BUT HIS
HONOR {reputation, kingdom, all those other stuff...} IS!) which goes to scum, too.
Let's list it up:
Leafsnail
Tiruin, who shall not be named - Yeah.
Lenglon
Toaster
Webadict [We know this person is TOWN]
Griffionday the Hopeful Prince
Ottofar [We know this person is SCUM]
Solifuge, AKA Lovelace
notquitethere the Gardener-Sage
RangerCado => zombieurist, AKA Hypatia
Griffinpup => TheWetSheep the Balalaika Player
Okami no Rei => Webadict [We know this person is SCUM]
Jim Groovestar [We know this person is AN SK]
Claimcons:
Town: All threats to the prince are eliminated. [Go NQT, You really missed this point back in the day and said 'kill' instead.]
Scum: Everyone outside the cohort is dead.
SK: Kill kill kill ahhahahahahaha kill everyone!
> | Kill all the other prospective brides.
You may continue speaking with the dead.
You may kill one person each night by dreaming with them. As such this kill cannot be blocked. |
...In retrospect, Webadict is playing two roles here, so the situation is blatantly funny out of context, really.
Anyway:
How will town even know the puzzle now, huh? I think I'm getting Lenglon's point here wherein the process is mostly the first step: How will they get it?
So let's say that all three have fabricated their claims. How? In what manner? In answering this, you'd be conclusing the second bolded sentence, wherein I insert the same: "How."
The realization was subjective in that currently,
Leafsnail probably got it after watching:
a. Anime
b. Checkin' the red shoes of Webadict.
In supposing the roles are fakeclaimed -- add in the query, "Why would they fakeclaim." But for all other reasons, let's say they claimed the truth and lie
instead on their actions.
The part I've strikethrough'd is where it diverges. How will you match those colors when the colors are all vague, now? The statement of finding the puzzle only relies, now, on scumhunting.
tl;dr: You can't solve the puzzle by itself.
Leafsnail: Why is being passive a scumtell? What context makes it
not a scumtell?
I think the explanation for the puzzle in-universe is related to Jim again, by the way. As a Goddess of Order, she subconsciously wanted to make sure the threats to the Prince formed a coherent pattern.
Jim was never a Goddess of Order. She fakeclaimed that
into a Goddess of DEATH.