Still working on finding the real solution to the puzzle, but I might as well repeat why I think Leaf's "solution" is madness.
he is ignoring large amounts of data, and fabricating much more from tenuious reasons to make his "pattern" look consistant.
here's the full data set according to using the search function on Vector's posts:
Game's theme: love and synthesis
instances of red, white, and black in role names:
Red Shoes
Black Swan
White Swan
other noteworthy mentions of red, white, and black:
Leaf claims to wear black shoes.
Toaster claims to wear a red dress.
Jim came to toaster as a woman in a red dress N2.
Lilies turn black and begin to rot in my nightmare N4
Leafsnail on Day 3: "Could we talk about flowers for a moment, by the way? We were all wearing red roses at the start. My role PM mentions me wearing yellow roses later. Does anyone have any mentions of wearing lillies in theirs?" - notice that yellow is left unmentioned in his theorizing.
Instances of red, white, and black in vector's posts:
pre-game:
Prince dressed in black as girls arrive
prince's bedchambers have red drapes and white sheets
Day 1:
Prince dressed in black when he enters bar at game start
Prince's eyes are red-rimmed in the bar.
Horatio wears "plain black clothing from head to foot"
"they were asked to wear matching white dresses and satin slippers. And on the first day, by their own mutual decision, they all wore crowns of crimson roses in their hair."
(horatio talking to prince) "black-clad elbow" is visible, space clarified by candlelight is "whiter" for his black sleeve.
white swan, white feathers, white swan... when the white swan was lynched.
Webaddict 1's rival was the "Black Swan"
Day 2:
"His eyes were red with crying (I had so seldom seen him cry, he who I knew all my life), his face was white as ash, and in his black clothes he looked like a ghoul." speaking of horatio's reaction to griffday's death.
"I cannot tell if my hair is white with ash or shock, anymore" - prince speaking of his own reaction to griffday's death.
Black swan dies overtop of the whtie swan's grave, on the white flesh of her body were incomprehensible symbols written in fresh black ink.
Soli had black bruises, red-rimmed eyes, and a white shirt.
Day 3:
"They fussed over who had said they would wear white and who would not, but after the second evening all who could wore black." only one had horatio tie a black ribbon about her neck.
"We understood each other, our mutual fears, and marked ourselves with mourning clothes as I always had--if only with the suspicion that more would die, and we could no longer bear to see the red against the white."
"seven women in black dresses, wearing wilted flowers in their hair, whose exhaustion is hurting their looks"
additionally, this is where it is mentioned specifically that evil will have an easier time solving the puzzle than good will, and yet none of leaf's conclusions have to do with the flavor of ottofar's or web's role PMs. If such was the case, then why isn't anything from that showing?
eight women in black organize themselves, lips are red.
white swan was buried underneath a rose bush by the prince himself.
prince's elder brother was always a bit of a black sheep
Prince feeds Tiruin Red herring in response to questions about why people were invited, it is metioned to be delicious red herrring, but that there is a lot of it.
Day 4:
prince's face in the bar is red and puffy
okami (web 2) wears blood-red dancing shoes.
okami (web 2) was approached by black swan to join the black swan cohort.
Day 5:
Jim had glossy black hair
jim tells the prince to roll up his snow-white shirtcuffs
jim had a "sopping red wound" in her chest.
Tiruin uses a grimy piece of black cloth to fasten a mask to her face before searching rooms
white swan has black hairpins
white swan has a black velvet bag
white swan has white hairpins
griffday the hopefull prince has a lock of bright red hair.
ottofar has a bone broach in a white samite bag
ottofar has white hairpins
solifuge has lengths of white bandage
sheep has a white wool shawl
teeth and hair of the body in the prince's room form a halo of black and ivory around her
horatio still has black hair
notice how much of this Leaf is ignoring? notice how much Leaf had to extrapolate to associate everyone with a color?
he's pulling the entire "solution" he's proposed out of his overly-entitled-arse. I still don't know what the solution is, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't color-based. there's too much inconsistency.
Now then, next accusation of me. Have I been passive? yes. I don't manage being in two different active Mafia games at the same time very well, and I decided early on that I was going to focus on Witch's coven more heavilly than Lonely prince, because it started first and both seemed RP-heavy, and all mafia games are lower in priority to me than ER from the RtD forum. So yes, the amount of effort I've put into this has suffered, and I suppose I should apologize for that.
as for my claim being lacking, go bug vector about it post-game if you're really that caught-up on there being a disconnect. reality is what it is. I follow people around because I feel lacking and don't have any other way to try to help. buzz off.
Leaf's theory of Web encouraging a bus requires us to take for granted that web is bad at mafia. I would expect web to fight hard to live against a bus attempt at MYLO, and just not counterattack very hard. that way he still has a chance at winning there and then, without putting his scumbuddy in any danger. Web had nothing to lose and everything to gain, assuming that he was being bussed, from fighting to survive. so why didn't he?
my flavor from N4 is lacking...
what?
once again, take it up with vector post-game. I don't write the stuff.
and how on earth is it unclear why I followed Toaster N4? I was doing what Jim the confirmed townie asked me to do in order to clear toaster.
Tiruin:
My... story?
I'm a little confused what you mean by that, I thought I answered that concisely back here:
well, N1 I tried to eat dirt with unhappy consequences, and my feet failed at drinking water. N2 my flavor was about the dream Jim gave me, N3 I thought about the implications of eating fruit and debated if it was moral or immoral to do so as a lily (which was kinda weird to read because of my odd speech patterns in my pms), and N4 I had a nightmare of lilies rotting.
My night actions have been:
N1: Follow Soli to Griffday
N2: Follow Toaster to Web2
N3: Follow Web2 to Sheep
N4: Follow Toaster to Tiruin
Why did I follow Soli N1? Vote-shift at end-of-day that normally would have tied the vote.
Why did I follow Toaster N2? I honestly don't remember, its been a long time since then.
Why did I follow Web2 N3? Refusal to claim at mass-claim.
Why did I follow Toaster N4? I was working with Jim's plan.
Toaster, if I'm reading your vote-post correctly, you're voting me because Leaf made me mad, stating that me saying such is an emotional appeal and therefore I'm scum. If you'll take a look at any other game I've played, you'll see that I have been honest about how I'm feeling very consistantly throughout. In fact,
Toaster: I challenge you to find a single game of mafia I have ever played where I haven't stated my emotional state or otherwise done something that by your hyper-sensitive criteria is an emotional appeal.
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