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[Vector]

Extension granted until Thursday at 7:00 PM (-8GMT).  Further extension offers will be up as the mod becomes less persnickety.

[Toaster]

So I guess everyone is waiting for me.

Clever, Leafsnail- I was finding it very hard to believe that you could get a more than full reversal of your role power while Web only got a minor penalty to his.

However, on a reread that wasn't giving me much, one thing did stick out like a sore thumb.


Leafsnail:

"I.. I... Um, Lady Web, I... I decided to follow you last night, and, um... I saw you go to Lady sheep's room. Why did you do that?"
Web: Why did you visit Sheep last night?

This is the first post of D4.  Why would Scum Lenglon post this and put Scum Webadict in such a terrible spot before anything happens?  Scum Lenglon could easily have claimed a track to Griffinpup from anyone else and probably have gotten them lynched.  I'm all for scum bussing when it's useful, but I see absolutely no reason for this to happen.  This isn't even WIFOM- there's zero gain in a bus at that point in the game.


Tiruin:

3. Either Jim and/or Web has already found out my role.
4. I am not lying-I cannot lie.

What made you say #3?

As for #4, please clearly and unambiguously state that you are town.  Would something horrible happen to you if you falsely claimed an alignment?


Lenglon:  Why did you track Web N3?

[Lenglon]

Lenglon:  Why did you track Web N3?

And no. I DON'T feel like claiming my role. I don't really care what Vector says. Closing the information gap doesn't mean claiming every single thing. All that does is create targets. I've given everything that was necessary.

And you think you'll be a more prominent target..how? If town, refusing to claim makes it all the spicier. Or saltier. Or something of value. If scum...well, that explains itself--though I'm pretty sure Scum Webadict (okami) could come up with a better reason than outright No.

Can you directly claim your role?

Maybe I'll be a better target. Maybe I won't. Doesn't really matter if I never reveal my role. I already gave you the name and the flavor, so there's no real excuse for giving my role.

I could directly claim my role if I wanted to. But I don't want to. There's no justifiable reason to claim at this moment. I don't get why claiming would be useful for anyone BUT scum.

Web sparked my curiosity, and I didn't have a good guess for who was scum. I trusted (and still do trust) my gut read of Tiruin as benevolent, although at the time I thought she was lying about her role. I strongly considered following Leaf, because he had also claimed a role that shouldn't be out and about, a pretty safe claim for scum, and he was giving me a mild scummy vibe, but I found web's refusal to claim more intriguing, and I didn't have a read I felt I could trust on web, mostly because I respected Web's skill at mafia more than my own ability to read people.

[Leafsnail]

Clever, Leafsnail- I was finding it very hard to believe that you could get a more than full reversal of your role power while Web only got a minor penalty to his.

It kindof makes sense if you think about the roles - webadict was happy that the music stopped, while I wasn't.

This is the first post of D4.  Why would Scum Lenglon post this and put Scum Webadict in such a terrible spot before anything happens?  Scum Lenglon could easily have claimed a track to Griffinpup from anyone else and probably have gotten them lynched.  I'm all for scum bussing when it's useful, but I see absolutely no reason for this to happen.  This isn't even WIFOM- there's zero gain in a bus at that point in the game.

You are calling Lenglon town and refusing to vote for her in spite of her nonsense claim and incredibly passive play throughout the game.  If that isn't a gain for scum then what is?

However, I also think you haven't fully considered the situation from Lenglon's point of view.  She had no way of knowing whether other people's night actions were confirmable, and if she lied about a townie's action she risked going 2v1 and dying meaninglessly.  She also couldn't claim a genuine result because she was performing the kill, and certainly couldn't lie about webadict's action due to the fact that webadict's action is seen by the target.  So it's actually the most risk-free option.

Incidentally, if I'm scum, you'd have to make a WIFOM argument about night 3 too.  Because that would mean me and webadict decided to kill someone who we knew would make both of our roles weaker.

I strongly considered following Leaf, because he had also claimed a role that shouldn't be out and about, a pretty safe claim for scum, and he was giving me a mild scummy vibe, but I found web's refusal to claim more intriguing, and I didn't have a read I felt I could trust on web, mostly because I respected Web's skill at mafia more than my own ability to read people.

If you thought I was scum why weren't you voting me?  If you thought webadict's refusal to claim was weird why didn't you say so?

[Tiruin]

Incidentally, if I'm scum, you'd have to make a WIFOM argument about night 3 too.  Because that would mean me and webadict decided to kill someone who we knew would make both of our roles weaker.

Then who killed TWS and why?

Why do you keep on bringing up statements with the feeling of diverting.

Toaster: Full claim. Now. You aren't telling the whole truth about your role.

Also still PFP because finals exams and I hadn't had the courage to say earlier mostly because of whatever is plaguing me right now. >_<

[Tiruin]

Leafsnail: Do you firmly believe that the puzzle has everything pointed towards Lenglon? Could you expound, specifically on the pairing system - given how you're apt to announce mechanics along with suppositions and characteristics which match universal viewpoints on color?

Give me your whole opinion on the N3 'mis'hap.

And then on Web..honest question: could you tell me why he'd say he'd target Toaster? [Your thoughts, ma'am]

Nextly, let's say you're confirmed town on the whole basis of 'doublevoterishtown!'. Could you differentiate your suspect-points on Toaster and Lenglon? Yeah, sure the puzzle singles out people, but this is why I'm asking you all this.

So I guess everyone is waiting for me.

Clever, Leafsnail- I was finding it very hard to believe that you could get a more than full reversal of your role power while Web only got a minor penalty to his.

However, on a reread that wasn't giving me much, one thing did stick out like a sore thumb.


Leafsnail:

"I.. I... Um, Lady Web, I... I decided to follow you last night, and, um... I saw you go to Lady sheep's room. Why did you do that?"
Web: Why did you visit Sheep last night?

This is the first post of D4.  Why would Scum Lenglon post this and put Scum Webadict in such a terrible spot before anything happens?  Scum Lenglon could easily have claimed a track to Griffinpup from anyone else and probably have gotten them lynched.  I'm all for scum bussing when it's useful, but I see absolutely no reason for this to happen.  This isn't even WIFOM- there's zero gain in a bus at that point in the game.


Tiruin:

3. Either Jim and/or Web has already found out my role.
4. I am not lying-I cannot lie.

What made you say #3?

As for #4, please clearly and unambiguously state that you are town.  Would something horrible happen to you if you falsely claimed an alignment?

#3 - look how Jim guessed my role, then how Webby guessed my role. I'm restating there.

#4...Ok? Why're you asking that?

I am town. I am town. I am tooooooown.

Tiruin looks at the nearest person and blushes. That was awkward screaming it out loud.

But really. Nothing would happen to me if I falsely claimed an alignment (or truly claimed an alignment for you skeptics). "Though it's weird calling ourselves names which we term to for places. Eheh..

"I am town."

Redact extension, didn't notice tat Toaster extended

[Leafsnail]

Then who killed TWS and why?

Lenglon.  Because TWS had a global nightkill blocking ability, and because webadict probably guessed that TWS's death would hurt me more than it would hurt him.

Toaster: Full claim. Now. You aren't telling the whole truth about your role.

He has an alibi for last night so he isn't the last mafia member.  Stop voting for him.

Leafsnail: Do you firmly believe that the puzzle has everything pointed towards Lenglon? Could you expound, specifically on the pairing system - given how you're apt to announce mechanics along with suppositions and characteristics which match universal viewpoints on color?

Yes.  Pairing system: There are three pairs of players in this game.  They each represent two colours out of the three universally recognized colours.  Each pair has a mafia member and a townie.  The mafia team has one of each colour.

I am paired with webadict II.  This is obvious because our rolename differs only by colour and we have thematic similarities, as well as differences that render us as opposites.

webadict I was paired with Ottofar.  That's obvious because their rolenames differ only by colour and they had thematic similarities, as well as differences that render them as opposites.

So, we have a red-black pair, and a white-black pair.  Is it unreasonable to suppose that maybe there is also a red-white pair to complete the set?  Considering the clear link between Lenglon and Toaster, and the thematic similarities/differences between their roles, and the most common colours/associations of roses and lillies, it's clearly them.  Also, the fact that Lenglon's claimed role does not form anything approaching an equal or opposite version of Toaster pretty clearly suggests that she is making it up.

There are also love-related associations with these colours (and I confirmed with Vector that those associations exist in this universe) that make drawing the connection easier but I've already explained that several times.

Anyway, so my ultimate point is that the webadict I/ Ottofar pair was town/scum, the Leafsnail/ webadict II pair is town/scum and so it stands to reason that the Toaster/Lenglon pair is also town/scum due to the established pattern, and the fact that each pair is clearly intended to be "equal and opposite".  It seems most likely that the mafia will contain one of each colour due to the synthesis theme which is why it's Lenglon and not Toaster (also, Toaster has an alibi so it is not him).

I'd just like to remind everyone of something:

Give me your whole opinion on the N3 'mis'hap.

I have no idea what you mean by "mishap".  I think that N3 happened as claimed except that Lenglon killed TWS instead of tracking, and webadict targeted TWS.

And then on Web..honest question: could you tell me why he'd say he'd target Toaster? [Your thoughts, ma'am]

Yes, because he planned a bus with Lenglon and making a clearly false claim meant less scrutiny would be put on Lenglon's flavourclaim and night action choices.  I've explained why bussing webadict is a sensible decision above (it's because Lenglon had to fake a track result).

Nextly, let's say you're confirmed town on the whole basis of 'doublevoterishtown!'. Could you differentiate your suspect-points on Toaster and Lenglon? Yeah, sure the puzzle singles out people, but this is why I'm asking you all this.

Toaster has an alibi for last night.  He is not a suspect at all, puzzle or not.  So everything I'm saying today is pro-Lenglonscum.

I did think Toaster was scum yesterday, but that changed very early in the day because a) he has an alibi and b) the puzzle directly points to him being town.

[Tiruin]

Toaster: Full claim. Now. You aren't telling the whole truth about your role.

He has an alibi for last night so he isn't the last mafia member.  Stop voting for him.

I know. Let me work.

This is the first post of D4.  Why would Scum Lenglon post this and put Scum Webadict in such a terrible spot before anything happens?  Scum Lenglon could easily have claimed a track to Griffinpup from anyone else and probably have gotten them lynched.  I'm all for scum bussing when it's useful, but I see absolutely no reason for this to happen.  This isn't even WIFOM- there's zero gain in a bus at that point in the game.

You are calling Lenglon town and refusing to vote for her in spite of her nonsense claim and incredibly passive play throughout the game.  If that isn't a gain for scum then what is?

And you aren't attacking the point being offered as a question at you and instead moving the notion to your viewpoint.

Hey, what about that time wherein Lenglon got Soli? Can you explain that? The last explanation of yours didn't.

And then on Web..honest question: could you tell me why he'd say he'd target Toaster? [Your thoughts, ma'am]

Yes, because he planned a bus with Lenglon and making a clearly false claim meant less scrutiny would be put on Lenglon's flavourclaim and night action choices.  I've explained why bussing webadict is a sensible decision above (it's because Lenglon had to fake a track result).

"How how how how how?!"
Tiruin has her hands up in a flurry, the fan already fallen to the ground before she calms down and relaxes her stance, a tear falling from her eye. She picks up the fan, closes her eyes, and apparently hides her face as she fans herself.

You keep on forwarding Webadict planning a bus, doing a bus, executing a bus, and preferably sawing a bus in half with his own two teeth that it killed him but not how that makes sense in context given the list of OTHER suspects!

Where is the planning and its relevance to Lenglon's flavour claim? How does it matter? Link it all because I'm blind! Look at Lenglon's night actions, and justify them ALL. Especially that note on Solifuge!

On that bus...which logic truly escapes me...I'd like to know your opinion other than making Lenglon seem squeakier clean on how that even makes sense given Lenglon's past before then.

Why in the world would Lenglon follow up on a bus, when it is only by her word that people caught on that Webby web web was lying?

Also what is this. Proves what -1 vote?! What are you even going on at that point? It's confusing more often than not.

I'm also all for bussing, but those and this marks inconsistency with your linking it to Lenglon.

Oops wait I just had a blindfold over here. Last paragraph. TWS says he got distracted, then killed.
We know who did the distraction [Webby web], and it would be really strange to see Lenglon's tracking skills cue Solifuge's death without any...viable reason. Toaster also targeted webby web there.

Checking. Yeah. Next...

I didn't visit anyone or..did anything past the last nights. However, on the distraction--did TWS expound on anything? Like, specifics in flavor?

He also mentioned that the girls came to listen to him, before killing. That's it though.

Jim: What did TWS do last night?

He did nothing.

Check the wording. I'd put the plurality to being a singular there, but who would listen to someone before killing them?!

Regret?

Sadness?

Anyway. The only correlation I see with Lenglon + Webadict = that link.

Could you give details on what TWS/Webadict/You chatted about? Also answer those things above LS.

Nextly, let's say you're confirmed town on the whole basis of 'doublevoterishtown!'. Could you differentiate your suspect-points on Toaster and Lenglon? Yeah, sure the puzzle singles out people, but this is why I'm asking you all this.

Toaster has an alibi for last night.  He is not a suspect at all, puzzle or not.  So everything I'm saying today is pro-Lenglonscum.

I did think Toaster was scum yesterday, but that changed very early in the day because a) he has an alibi and b) the puzzle directly points to him being town.

Yeah. No.

He has a conjunctive alibi--believe either Lenglon, or Toaster. They're both linked in the way that Lenglon > Toaster > Me.

I did not receive any rose, nor did I check for any rose (because I am fancy like that to get outta bed and get out of that area where I was in).. The only note he did was where he found me in.

But...
ToasteR: You didn't answer my question to you here on that note on me.


So let me try to fix this list.

zombie urist -> Jim Groovester <- Solifuge
Griffionday -> Tiruin


webadict I <-> Ottofar
Toaster -> NQT <- Lenglon
Leafsnail -> TWS <- webadict II

We have the swan sisters. Polar opposites, yet connected.

We have the cult of the Death Goddess. Innocence defying evil, and when they left, evil turned from good (Jin was originally town, then she became Jim).

We have the Young Prince (I've checked the lore on our Sigfred. He only talked muchly about the older prince, and not the younger one.) and...well, me.

Then we have the flower people! I have no idea how NQT could be a third-party, and looking at his role...it's quite strange. A survivor who has links tied to, and only now found, real roles. Roses and lilies!

But hey, let's assume that note of relevance since the context calls on it.

Few problems with that idea of the puzzle, LS: There is no constant basis. All the pairs are different. You know why I doubt your assumption? I did conclude that the puzzle does "screw over" *ahem, flutters fan* the 'last pair' by differentiating them, but I've trust in a meta way that Vector doesn't do that sort of thinking by exclusion. Also the really pointy picking out there was a factor.

Now on the matter of night action order and targeting, that's where I believe the shots go. [Also if you really wanna argue with me on the pattern - look at yourself and web and TWS. Scum KILLED TWS for some reason, and given that one certain player (whose role had changed into a non-killing person). Now I know that someone (TWS?) asked about the factional NK-

...Ok I'll just list the pertinent notes on this.
Stuff stuff we guessed the mafia team numbers unless they are actually 4 people :O
But rocks fall and everyone dies except scum if town can't win...which is quite strange given what Horatio told me...but it wasn't anything on protecting the Prince's life. Why can't scum just directly target the Prince?
Town wincon is publicly announced by a town crier for 100gp!
Relevant. - This too.
Then notes.
...
Ok the TWS thing? This was it.
...Yeah I foolishly thought that someone would've asked if scum had the factional NK. Ahahahhaahahaha that was bad of me.

I'll just assume that there is a factional NK, and Web actually had an NK bonus after 3 strikes because he's webadict and all.

On Leafsnail. Your connection with TWS has nothing else but you're affected by his music. Sorta like a collateral, compared to everyone else holding a different kind of bond.

On my suspects
If I were to follow the puzzle weirdness: Lenglon.
Which holds little ground, really.

If I were to check back and see how aggressive people were in trying to completely pinpoint others: Leafsnail. How you poke Lenglon comes as more than debating aggression.

If it were inconsistency with total flavor and stuff: Toaster...as well as his play this game in general but I'm attributing it..and my intuition is saying its more on RL than not :S (but.... gut feeling that ZU was scum without expounding on it? Or..addressing the remarks on it? Ugh.)

Griffionday suspects Toaster is lying because during N1 there is no mention of a rose in his flavor, and he reasons that because miscellaneous is higher than kill on the action resolution list, he should have received flavor of receiving the rose.

Oh, and lastly, I really am wondering why anyone doesn't really see what I claimed earlier: I can survive kills.
Discrepancy: Think on how someone would find me if I'd kill them first given how Griffy acted. :v
I had figured that people would be more astute about that point.

[Tiruin]

Blargh blah fish blah cookies post button.

Append @Leafsnail
Of course, you've an alibi too. But I'm guessing that you're someone who can empower votes instead of a +1 voter. What is the context on why you have a double vote, anyway? We all have context for what we do.

[Vector]

"Well, hello there. What's a pretty girl like you doing here with so many hungry men about?"

Tiruin checks her mind for a list of things to be doing here with so many hungry men about.

> Exploring
> Trying to find out who did such
> Discrepancy with thoughts
> Why does he have a misericorde
> Why is a blood stained carpet..not red?! Did someone bleach it dry?
> Are they cannibals?
> Darn who wouldn't eat anything in 2 days?!
> We must not have flour.
> So then what are the ladies in waiting eating?!
> Does Horatio have a mustache?
> Who is keeping the kitchen!?
> Is Horatio keeping something else from us?
> Must search other girls' rooms. Everything is possible.
What if he says no.

Then I must say something that would attract his attention.
"Curiosity, sir. I've been wondering if you and your men could check the Prince's rooms made for his mistresses. The thirteen invited?" maybe he doesn't know I'm one of them, perhaps?
...He called me pretty~
OK. Focus!
"Because I've heard that one of them is withholding a bit of food. By that, I meant check all those rooms.

"Also why does that carpet have such a colorful nature? What happened to it?
..The same would go for your exotic weapon. Why and where'd you get it?"
please don't notice my obvious semantics on subtly interrogating you my fellow peasant sir.

Inquire to Captain about the carpet, why it became so, why he's holding an acolyte's dagger and how he got it, and why that carpet is specifically bloodstained and now colored like..such.

Also subtly and meekly state that I overheard the conversation, and try to support the Prince's side because he's awesome and on my motive of hating civil war and stuff.

Change of plans!

You hustle yourself away from the drooling giant, and into a side room.  There, you find a grimy piece of black cloth, in which you rip two holes.  You fit the mask loosely on your face and stroll out with confidence.  He'll never get wind of who you are now.  Disguised like a champ.

Alexandersen is massaging his temples when you return.  You clear your throat, and he--and his gloriously bristled mustache--look to you again.

"You look kinda--I'm seeing things.  What do you want, chit?"

You flutter your eyelashes.  First he calls you pretty--and now a chit!  What a nice man.

"Oh, I'm so terribly hungry," you say.  Thinking fast, you continue: "I don't know what I might do.  That Prince's nasty brides have taken all the kitchen's food and hidden it away.  If only we peasants could eat as well as they."

"Speak for yourself," he grumbles, but he stands up.  "When it comes to country matters, no one's sharper than old Adolf.  That does sound just like a woman.  Let's go see about it, shall we?"

If the Prince or Horatio gets wind of this, there's going to be trouble. . . !  Thinking fast, you guide him to the old storage room.  He grins down at you in a wolfy sort of a way.

"Maybe you should disguise yourself," you say hurriedly, before a word can pass his lips.  "It would--it would rest my mind."

He grumbles, but soon enough he, too, wears a makeshift mask and looks like a new man!


You look through the thirteen rooms and find no food, but you do discover the following personal effects once Alexandersen has torn the sheets from the beds, ransacked the drawers, peeked beneath the furniture, ripped open every bag of luggage left there:

Webadict the White Swan:
- A bone brooch, well-handled, worn, depicting a young man of noble mien
- Black hairpins
- A couple of white hairpins
- A mirror with an etched swan on the back
- A variety of rings in a black velvet bag

Griffionday the Hopeful Prince
- A finger bone
- Hundreds of love letters--unsent
- A lock of bright red hair

Ottofar the Black Swan
- A bone brooch in a white samite bag, untouched, depicting a young man of noble mien
- White hairpins
- A half-finished scarf, slightly lumpy
- A hope chest with a carved image of a swan on the lid, containing linens, earthenware bowls, a long dress, a handful of gold coins, swaddling blankets, a rough-hewn rattle

Solifuge, AKA Lovelace
- Lengths of white bandage
- A whetstone
- A collection of dessicated herbs, which Alexandersen eats with a dissatisfied expression
- A bronze bowl, charred in the bottom
- Flint and steel

notquitethere the Gardener-Sage
- Sprigs of dried flowers
- An ancient gourd whose seeds rattle when you shake it
- A piece of stained glass, dark blue
- A number of very poorly executed charcoal drawings. . . it seems to be children sitting in trees?  Maybe?
- A set of wooden teeth, covered in dust, found between pallet and wall

zombieurist, AKA Hypatia
- The Prince's book of Euclid
- A shaving knife and a steel mirror
- A long walking stick
- A pair of rope and leather sandals, in desperate need of stitching; Alexandersen eyes them, but leaves them alone for now
- A pair of soft leather sandals, new and still stinking of tannin

TheWetSheep the Balalaika Player
- Catgut strings in oiled parchment
- A white wool shawl
- A very hard loaf of brown bread, which Alexandersen temporarily gives up on eating and tucks under his arm for safekeeping
- A sachet of salt
- Tuning pegs in the midst of being carved
- A satin hair-ribbon, crimson, brand-new, never worn
- A withered bouquet of flowers, some of which Alexandersen chews on--the rest of which he takes with him

Webadict, who wore Red Shoes
- Three suicide notes, tear-stained, half-written, entirely incomprehensible other than the first line of each: "I KNOW YOU WON'T MISS ME," "im going to go i can't stand it anymore," "I step into the night since I am done being punished"
- A candle melted down to the quick
- Five quills, snapped in half
- Discarded clothing, creased where ragged fingernails pinched it too tight

Jim Groovestar, AKA Dreaming Death
- A gardenia, fragrant, in full bloom
- An apple, ripe.  Alexandersen polishes it on the bedcovers and eats.  A moment later he spits out a mouthful of maggots and worms, cursing mightily
- A piece of obsidian, gleaming, sharp

(Why would she have that stuff?  You'd ask her, but you haven't seen her around lately)

Leafsnail
- A machine-printed volume of very melancholy poetry, with titles like "The Spider"--this seems to be from the Prince's library, or at least it has his name written in it a number of times
- A withered yellow rose, which Alexandersen eats
- A sachet of herbs, of the sort that is usually steeped in hot water to help people sleep
- A pot of lotion, for rubbing into and softening skin

Tiruin
- No personal effects

Lenglon
- No personal effects

Toaster
- A dead butterfly
- A bit of wool
- Grass clippings
- A spool of thread
- A wooden spoon from the Great Hall
- Scraps of cloth
- A glass bead--all these are piled together by the bed in a uniform heap


"I don't trust the Prince or the Ponce," says Alexandersen.  "They're hiding something."

You aren't sure how to feel about this.  This could be, after all, the key to your mystery!  On the other hand, if they caught you. . . well, who cares.  Fortune favors the brave!

"I'm glad you agree!" you say at last, burning with curiosity.

Horatio's room is a bit of a mess, to say the least.  After a little poking around, you find:
- A steel mirror and razor
- A scourge
- A withered orange stuck with cloves, which Alexandersen turns up his nose at
- A small box with a number of whittled figures inside.  You recognize two princes and a sneering figure who might be the third, Horatio himself at a much younger age, and what seems to be a dragon put together with pegs so that the joints move.  There are a number of other human figures you don't recognize
- A silver coin of the realm, tucked away in the box of figurines
- A collection of pages sewn together with the title: "The Reccolexiones of Horatio Hall" in a painstakingly careful script.  Some of the letters, even on the cover, are written backwards.

"Let's see here," says Alexandersen with a grin, opening the booklet.  "Here's one from two years ago.  'The second day of February: To-night I saw the Prinz as always.  He was in good health but sad.  I am trying to write better but it is hard with all the reading it needs to help with the spelling and so little time too.  I know the Prinz would help but I won't ask him.'

"Well, well. . . this ain't bad at all. . .

"'The nineteenth day of February: I wish Father or Mother was here to talk to.  I do not think they would be pleased with me.  Better just to think about it.  Or forget.'

"Let's see if there's somethin' juicier later."

Alexandersen forgets to look to you for quiescence, or, likelier, doesn't much care.  You, on the other hand, are frozen stiff with embarrassment.

"'The fifth day of June: I cannot forget.  I have tried with every method known to man.  Some, I think, must be known only to me.'

"'The ninth day of June: I borrowed a book of poesie.  I shall try this time to better write out my feelings.  The Prince is dutiful and kind.  I think I should love him were he old or sick or even had he lost his gentle innocence.  "He is as manifold as the rose at dawn, and in touching him I should die like Semele--bursting with dark ripeness and the memory of wine."  I don't know what that quite means, but it seems nice so I have copied it out.'

"Good thing we don't count on the likes of him for copyists. . . just look at it.

"'Ah, Prince!  "A man of virtue--who can find him?  His worth exceeds that of rubies or pearls."  How I wish I could bestow his charming lips with--' Now this ain't fit for a lady to look at.  I'd better take it with me.  So no other ladies get their hands on it."

"Wait," you say.  You have to get something out of this.  "Won't you read something from the past couple of days?"

"Yeah, all right," says Alexandersen.  "Provided it ain't too dirty.  You never can tell with their sort.  Let's see. . . the last entry is from about a week ago:

"'Third of April: Sigfred seems happy.'

"That's it, I guess.  Looks like he found a note even he couldn't bungle."


You leave for the Prince's solar, having convinced Alexandersen with some difficulty that his takings are adequate for now.  You're starting to understand how he came across the carpet on which the youngest prince died, and the acolyte's dagger.

In Sigfred's room, it is when you are on the verge of trying to convince Alexandersen to stand by the Prince that you find a corpse wrapped in his bedsheets.

[Leafsnail]

I'll respond to your stuff later Tiruin, although honestly I'm getting tired of repeating the same thing over and over again.

I will say this though: Toaster, and Toaster only, has an alibi.  Yes, the rest of us have confirmed roles, but nothing stops us from having those roles and also being mafia.  Toaster, on the other hand, was seen not performing the kill last night.  That means that either:
1. Lenglon is town and actually saw Toaster.  Toaster didn't kill, so he isn't mafia.
Or
2. Lenglon is scum and lying.  That would mean that the scum is Lenglon and not Toaster.

The other point that jumps out - Lenglon caught Solifuge by tracking him.  Mafia Tracker is not an unusual role.  Before you ask, yeah, Lenglon tracked Toaster N3 and webadict killed NQT.

[Toaster]

Tiruin:

Toaster: Full claim. Now. You aren't telling the whole truth about your role.

*sigh*

Yes I am.  I claimed my flavor here and my role here.  There's nothing to claim that I haven't already claimed.

Tiruin:

3. Either Jim and/or Web has already found out my role.
4. I am not lying-I cannot lie.

What made you say #3?

As for #4, please clearly and unambiguously state that you are town.  Would something horrible happen to you if you falsely claimed an alignment?

#3 - look how Jim guessed my role, then how Webby guessed my role. I'm restating there.

#4...Ok? Why're you asking that?

I am town. I am town. I am tooooooown.

Tiruin looks at the nearest person and blushes. That was awkward screaming it out loud.

But really. Nothing would happen to me if I falsely claimed an alignment (or truly claimed an alignment for you skeptics).

Okay, in #3, are you referring to flavor or role abilities?  If the former, then it's kind of silly to mention, given it was just process of elimination (there's a duck somewhere, and everyone else has claimed and no duck claim yet).

Also, in #4, you seem to be contradicting yourself.  First you say you cannot (emphasis yours) lie, then you say nothing bad happens to you if you do.  Which is it?

I asked because I was testing your ability to say that.

And you're right- I did miss responding to the hair question because I had to PM Vector.  Vector's response was it was too dark to see.  She even said OOC that she is not going to confirm or deny night actions through flavor.

Blargh blah fish blah cookies post button.

Append @Leafsnail
Of course, you've an alibi too. But I'm guessing that you're someone who can empower votes instead of a +1 voter. What is the context on why you have a double vote, anyway? We all have context for what we do.

Leaf already said this, but no, he doesn't.  Neither do you.  Lenglon claims to have one, but her claim is quite possibly fake.

Where are you driving with all this?  If you're trying to make me and Lenglon a team, that would be silly because we would have already won.  Any situation where I killed Jim would require both of us be lying, making both of us non-town, which would mean something like ScumTypeA Lenglon is covering for ScumTypeB Toaster, despite the two scum types being opposed to each other.


*reads giant flavor dump*

Hm.  Tiruin, why don't you have any personal effects?


Vector:  Princess Toaster looks at Princess Tiruin in the full light of day.  She admires the color of her hair... what color is it again?


Lenglon:  Why don't you have any personal effects?


Leafsnail:  Don't get me wrong- I'm on the fence between you and Lenglon being scum.  (Tiruin's still a possibility, but I don't think so.)

Assuming for a second that you're correct, why clear me today instead of claiming I visited Jim?  Or, alternately, claiming to have tracked you as she implied she would do and saying you went nowhere?

[Tiruin]

*cough* hence me saying you + query. Because I've seen the repetitions. You're acting like I'm really blind and asking you to repeat yourself--you however don't say the common 'why are you wasting time' addition.

[This was addressed to LS but then Toaster]

The other point that jumps out - Lenglon caught Solifuge by tracking him.  Mafia Tracker is not an unusual role.  Before you ask, yeah, Lenglon tracked Toaster N3 and webadict killed NQT.

Right, and the obvious note that me saying you and Webadict who were both tied to TWS doesn't make sense isn't in this equation, huh. While it does make sense that web killed NQT, the note before that is...pretty vague. Could you explain?

Because by this idea it means to me that Lenglon lied about the point back there IN N3 (Given that she's with web) that he targeted Web.

Ok.

So why would she say that webadict targeted TWS when there was no darn context for her to do so?! That statement there just forwards your idea of the wholesome bus, wherein the context is fallible in itself. Why did you think of it as a bus, anyway? How would that convince people given its logical standing?


Vector: I love you and your flavor is awesome. :I [I literally cleared his throat? XD Also..a chit is some kind of synonym to a young person, right? Dictionary doesn't help, unless I'm some kind of note.]

Anywhoo, banter aside: Timecheck? We've got approximately 2 days left in my memory.

...Oh carp, right. We didn't see the Prince, IC..nor did we..

...I'm unsure if this matters. Or if the mask matters. Argh you. :I

"Oh bloody h-hh_{hhhhh dead person in bed.}"

...Ok I panic run to Adolf and point point at the body in the bed, stating its a body, and then requesting a full examination of said body (and..bloodstains. I'm sure there are bloodstains.) And the wound and his guess on its cause! (I'm expecting rotting on an exponential scale but this is too much of an opportunity to pass up on)

_{I mean really. Since when does a mod go to such efforts to make the game added with fun despite it already being fun?}
PPE Toaster

Lenglon:  Why don't you have any personal effects?

...I literally have no idea. I could say its because of [WHAT I SAID BACK THERE IN my role] and what Jim derived after that.

...Why do you? Why doesn't Lenglon? Yes I'm asking you the second question given you flowergirls' presence.

@#3: err..I'm talking about [used the search engine: apparently you were the one who found it out first but I didn't see that post] dish one.

Also, in #4, you seem to be contradicting yourself.  First you say you cannot (emphasis yours) lie, then you say nothing bad happens to you if you do.  Which is it?

...I was talking about my flavor and/or role, and thought you were talking about that. Yea I can lie when we talk about stuff that isn't my role, and note that before, I did state that I was goading - essentially, bluffing and beating my chest with bravado and stuff. Which could be said as lying (check link above).

It worked, didn't it? I took a hit.

..And still I'm reminded on that note of people thinking I'm a PGO. :v

And you're right- I did miss responding to the hair question because I had to PM Vector.  Vector's response was it was too dark to see.  She even said OOC that she is not going to confirm or deny night actions through flavor.

...Hmph. I got the gist when I asked about your rose :I But still, no rose?!

Yeeeaaaahh. The previous fellow also didn't get notice of yon rose. Ever.

That lucky dude is Griffionday. Webadict said nothing..as in there's no mention.

BUT: The hair thing is..mostly flavor..erm. Yeah, I'll just drop it. BUT NOT THE LACK OF A ROSE!

Where are you driving with all this?

ONE of you people is lying. This is under the presumption that there is one scum left, a presumption that I'm taking by the everything.

Someone (not me) killed Jim, and is refusing to state it. Hence me prodding everyone. Every. One.

Even Adolf.

Leafsnail:  Don't get me wrong- I'm on the fence between you and Lenglon being scum.  (Tiruin's still a possibility, but I don't think so.)

:/
I'm a probability, but you don't think so, so you go with those who you think are also a probability and whom you may think so.
...Passive prod much?

Lenglon:
...Why don't you have personal stuffs? PPE
...

[Tiruin]

...Ok I panic run to, or try to find the PRINCE or HORATIO and point point at the body in the bed, stating its a body, and then requesting a full examination of said body (and..bloodstains. I'm sure there are bloodstains.) And the wound and his guess on its cause! (I'm expecting rotting on an exponential scale but this is too much of an opportunity to pass up on)

...Ok...I don't know if this matters again but this is a bad idea and I'm adding to fix it.

First check what the body is and then let the other girls know of it!

(edited action)

Because the implications are darn well going to make the prince real angry. Or sad.

...And on the flavor. Horatio seems like he's..tutored? I'm unsure if anything. In learning a new language..err, the z's don't match.
Also I'm stating this here because of the opportunity on discussing it.
...Oh gods now I feel guilty for breaching Horatio's probable trust.

Lenglon, Toaster, Leafsnail: Do you have real names? I wasn't given mine. Curious.

[Toaster]

Tiruin:  Us flowers don't have names, silly!  (No, no name.  Other than my role name "the Rose.")

If you look at the effects, they're all fairly natural things (wood, grass, wool, etc.)  Things a girl that was recently a flower might be attracted to.  They're also things that most likely came from the castle and its grounds- nothing that was obviously brought in.


If I had to guess why you can't find a rose, it'd be because Vector won't confirm night actions through flavor.

Fair enough on the 3-4 points.