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[Toaster]

I don't have anything to say to Lenglon that I can't say here.

[Tiruin]

For what reason.

On that reason, then why aren't you asking Lenglon stuff..like why she chose you to follow?

[Toaster]

I expected her to follow me, given what I said yesterday about planning night actions.  I need to finish up my reread for more indepth questioning- note I have asked her a couple already.


Assuming Jim tried to kill you, did you kill him in response?

[Tiruin]

Assuming Jim tried to kill you, did you kill him in response?

Assuming he obviously did. No.

Someone of you is lying on their action.

...And really, Toaster? You didn't even ask on that chat in general?

Did you even ask if that chat was safe?

Because you're clear, and Jim was hoping to frame you by hitting me, now that I think of it.

And then someone who isn't me at all killed him. Or on a hilarious and most probably unreal note: Death must keep killing or she'll die..which doesn't explain yon fatal chest wound, and how she got where she got :/

[Leafsnail]

Actually, I've just thought of an easy solution to this vote thing, if Lenglon is so certain I'm lying.  Me and Lenglon can vote for me.  Tiruin and Toaster can vote for Lenglon.  If I'm lying about my vote being negative, I will lynch myself.  If we use a shorten vote (ie, and have someone other than me hammer shorten), there's no way for me to manipulate the vote.

Unvote, Leafsnail.

...Toaster had 5 total sentences as he claimed. Lenglon claimed process of elimination in watching Toaster's snoopy snooping.

So how doesn't it not make sense? What doesn't make sense is how I got the taste of dirt, yet she gave a reasonable idea right darn there to explain Jim's...being Jim'd.

So either you're lying on doing nothing (and withholding vote as you still have 2 votes) and abstaining from voting yesterday

I really do not understand what you are getting at here at all.  I am saying that Lenglon's flavour makes no sense at all.  He is a lily.  He is not good at things.  He follows people.  He thinks the prince is pure.  There is no relation between any of these four things, making it not a credible claim.  I am making a comparison to Toaster, who has been able to give a relatively coherent flavour claim.

I have absolutely no idea how my negative vote could possibly relate to this.

Tiruin narrows her eyes at this statement.
"That is illogical. A cursed dancer has nothing to lose-and doing it deliberately doesn't even go anywhere near any kind of match. What suspicion was on Okami beforehand? What did she have to lose? What pressure was on her to even so such?

Have you heard of WIFOM before?  The fact that players would look back and think "What reason would webadict have to organize a bus?" is a reason to organize a bus.

"The only logical conclusion I can see is that the more 'useful' target was another mafioso--and said one, being a highly voted suspect in days prior."

He wouldn't be able to organize it unless Lenglon was his partner.  I guess he might've just snatched the opportunity, but that seems bizarre.

..Problem is that this is a past tense format.

As in, you're...already cheating on your lover if you're here. And he 'couldn't love you because of x and y' is so much of an understatement.

I don't understand what you mean again!  Yes it's in the past tense format, because it happened last night.  Which was in the past.  The cheating on my lover happened years and years before the game started.

Technically, you did say flavor. You just said the generality of it.

Expound.

If you want to waste your time reading about detailed fluff then sure!  Vector has already directly told me this line of inquiry is not related to the game.

I remembered the moment I decided to be unfaithful (years and years ago), on a summer's day.  We were pretending to be friends.  I looked at her face, and decided I could have more.

I tried to shake off that feeling, and to keep loving her, but it remained festering inside me.  Deep down, I felt dissatisfied.

I began waking up and felt a similar feeling about the Prince, feeling that I would never be able to satisfy him with the terrible melancholic state I was in.  I then fully woke up with it still weighing on me (get it like the shoes I wear).

Mini-puzzle my backhand.
I had nothing. nothing nothing Noooooothing to know about Griffy back there, at all. No hint. No tip. No literature-based foreshadowing in my flavor that touched the young prince. Sure, I talked to Horatio about it, but he said nothing nor hinted anything about a younger Prince at all. Vice versa goes on him-reading his role, he knew nothing (ok, my past and me :I) about me--he knew the details, but not who I was, just who would match with his inspect. And by inspect, I thoroughly mean flavor-inspector given how he'll inspect people.

Yes, you weren't told everything.  You had to work some stuff out.  That's why it's a puzzle.  In your original claim you talked about having loved a foreign prince.  That was your clue.  Griffionday was told he had to find someone in the castle.  That was his clue.  If you put the two together, it would become obvious that you are linked.

On the ZU/Soli/Jim thing? Sure, the two acolytes would've said stuff about their flavor--just as ZU did back in the day who had detailed his everything. Jim was town--any townie would've revealed bad stuff..something which ZU knew and said. However said puzzle didn't come to fruition unless Jim was actually a walking time bomb who shouldn't say that because either she's restricted to, or its a trivial notion due to all the vagueness about our knowledge on her.

Yes, ZU and Soli received hints as to the nature of Jim.  Jim received some hints as to her own nature too.  No, they weren't told anything explicitly.  THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A PUZZLE

Which reminds me about how you persecuted him: Base reason being only one line when I asked - that you thought he was scum.

When asked on that, you complained to having to list it down again. I want you to do that now on grounds of total doubt -- list what he said did make him scum as opposed to what he's revealing at the time that doesn't.

If you have problems with my reasons for voting ZU then state them rather than forcing me to pointlessly repost the same things again.

Because it isn't pointless when I ask again on the matter despite it looking similar to being pointless. Viewpoint difference.

I can't even remember anymore.  Again, I ask you to look at the reasons I stated when I voted him and asking me questions about those.  If I remember correctly it boiled down to
- mad passivity
- doing absolutely no scumhunting at any point (these were my initial reasons - see "He's being ridiculously passive, I don't think he's even called anyone scum all game.", which is a statement I still fully stand by)
- Solifuge's flavour seemed to imply that his role was anti-town before he fell in love with the Prince.  It would have made sense for another incoming agent to not fall in love and remain anti-town.

And I take it you're thoroughly convinced that you aren't accepting any doubts or speculation on the matter-especially when said matter has its crux in how you relate x and y? What do all those colors pertain to, as a categorical generality?
Oh, and where exactly in her claim (please link) did she go wrong? Sure, its vague-but I don't think I received an answer from you about how she did Soli in without chance of backlash? The kill-flavor matches the deed.

I'll accept doubts, but I have yet to see anything even approaching another solution to the puzzle.  If you want to make a case for why I am wrong about the puzzle and you are mafia then go ahead.

White - purity, youth.  Red - sexuality, passion, availability.  Black - death, age.

You mean Lenglon's claim?  I don't doubt she has some kind of target detection ability (or possibly a role cop).  My problem with her claim is the way her flavour doesn't link to her role.  That implies to me that she has mafia-ish reasons for her role, that she's afraid to claim.

He did?
*ahem sorry can't check back and it would be best if you link it thanks and sorry! D:*
I mean, she did?

I can only vaguely remember, but I think ZU confirmed that he was the one wearing a sackcloth in the OP.

> In ages? Why?
> You were able to dance because...?

Remember my claim?  I have cursed (black) iron shoes that made me unable to walk properly, yet alone dance.  But when I got here, there was music playing that made my feet feel light again.  We now know the source of that music was griffinpup.

..Hmph. Makes sense. However in that context-you also did something with a certain other someone which did refer directly to love and its devious fault on love. Wouldn't you agree on that?

Yep.  My role is clearly meant to have strong parallels with webadict II's, in the same way that webadict I's had them with Ottofar.  I suspect Toaster and Lenglon have them too to fit the pattern, but that Lenglon is withholding his.

[Tiruin]

PFP checking

Tiruin narrows her eyes at this statement.
"That is illogical. A cursed dancer has nothing to lose-and doing it deliberately doesn't even go anywhere near any kind of match. What suspicion was on Okami beforehand? What did she have to lose? What pressure was on her to even so such?

Have you heard of WIFOM before?  The fact that players would look back and think "What reason would webadict have to organize a bus?" is a reason to organize a bus.

"The only logical conclusion I can see is that the more 'useful' target was another mafioso--and said one, being a highly voted suspect in days prior."

He wouldn't be able to organize it unless Lenglon was his partner.  I guess he might've just snatched the opportunity, but that seems bizarre.

My point exactly. It can't even be a bus unless there'd be logical reason behind it--to either make the partner look better, or to perhaps attain an advantage somehow. Web got his x3 blocking skills to kill, and it made sense. What didn't make sense is how it would now be labeled as a bus given that he only needed one more.

That, and his target is still alive, given that I don't trust that [his] target list..and/or, he's been targeting Toaster.

...However, by due process of elimination, what does factor in that how you/Lenglon related to everyone else back then. There are still holes in the weave, like how Toaster/TWS got switched. This list. (Where my suspicion on you partly comes from a double voter being based on someone else's survival...)

..Problem is that this is a past tense format.

As in, you're...already cheating on your lover if you're here. And he 'couldn't love you because of x and y' is so much of an understatement.

I don't understand what you mean again!  Yes it's in the past tense format, because it happened last night.  Which was in the past.  The cheating on my lover happened years and years before the game started.

Technically, you did say flavor. You just said the generality of it.

Expound.

If you want to waste your time reading about detailed fluff then sure!  Vector has already directly told me this line of inquiry is not related to the game.

I remembered the moment I decided to be unfaithful (years and years ago), on a summer's day.  We were pretending to be friends.  I looked at her face, and decided I could have more.

I tried to shake off that feeling, and to keep loving her, but it remained festering inside me.  Deep down, I felt dissatisfied.

I began waking up and felt a similar feeling about the Prince, feeling that I would never be able to satisfy him with the terrible melancholic state I was in.  I then fully woke up with it still weighing on me (get it like the shoes I wear).

...Half of why I'm asking is because suspicion on you and Lenglon. The other half is because I like this certain kind of fluff :I

On that note..you just had a nightmare detailing what just happened years before-something wholly different to what we all experienced: that being horrors in the future/fears. Which..somehow links me to how the other girls had their reasons for wanting the Prince..

Anyway.

Yes, you weren't told everything.  You had to work some stuff out.  That's why it's a puzzle.  In your original claim you talked about having loved a foreign prince.  That was your clue.  Griffionday was told he had to find someone in the castle.  That was his clue.  If you put the two together, it would become obvious that you are linked.

Slight mishap on detail (ok, HUGE mishap in wording) that I was thinking along the 'Good forces work together and share info' whereas today, the only discrepancies are either:
Lenglon lying about the tracking..in that she is a tracker, but also somehow a killer.
Leafsnail actually having the pro/con with TWS, but not knowing about it (or hinted) and having a kill.

The baseline is whoever killed Jim isn't saying they killed Jim and is making up an alibi on how to kill Jim.

...And look at Toaster's find if you don't believe me. I didn't falcon punch Jim's chest out as defense (post-myclaim) and then decided to lie down in the laundry because MMMM SILK CLOTHING. _{I still like silk though. No this isn't related to anything. >_>}

Actually, I've just thought of an easy solution to this vote thing, if Lenglon is so certain I'm lying.  Me and Lenglon can vote for me.  Tiruin and Toaster can vote for Lenglon.  If I'm lying about my vote being negative, I will lynch myself.  If we use a shorten vote (ie, and have someone other than me hammer shorten), there's no way for me to manipulate the vote.

Unvote, Leafsnail.

...Toaster had 5 total sentences as he claimed. Lenglon claimed process of elimination in watching Toaster's snoopy snooping.

So how doesn't it not make sense? What doesn't make sense is how I got the taste of dirt, yet she gave a reasonable idea right darn there to explain Jim's...being Jim'd.

So either you're lying on doing nothing (and withholding vote as you still have 2 votes) and abstaining from voting yesterday

I really do not understand what you are getting at here at all.  I am saying that Lenglon's flavour makes no sense at all.  He is a lily.  He is not good at things.  He follows people.  He thinks the prince is pure.  There is no relation between any of these four things, making it not a credible claim.  I am making a comparison to Toaster, who has been able to give a relatively coherent flavour claim.

I have absolutely no idea how my negative vote could possibly relate to this.

Bolded part: That you didn't use it yesterday..being one minor factor.

And the second primary factor being |someone lying about what they did| given how Jim supposedly died and me being attacked.

Other comments for later other than I really appreciate the detail and thanks Leafsnail and Lenglon please stop watching kitties at the moment and post thanks despite the day ending one ~week after now (because kittens consume your soul too)

Toaster: Suspects please -- if Lenglon is one, then could you note why she is one despite you having a secretfunflowerchat with her?

[Leafsnail]

My point exactly. It can't even be a bus unless there'd be logical reason behind it--to either make the partner look better, or to perhaps attain an advantage somehow. Web got his x3 blocking skills to kill, and it made sense. What didn't make sense is how it would now be labeled as a bus given that he only needed one more.

And I fully answered your question: WIFOM.  People wouldn't think it was a bus.  Therefore people wouldn't think Lenglon was scum.  Therefore people wouldn't want to lynch Lenglon.  Therefore the mafia would win.

I don't know why you're making a big deal out of "only needed one more".  It wasn't guaranteed that there would have been a town lynch on day four without the bussing, particularly because of Lenglon's poor flavour.  Mafia players can and do bus each other at lylo if they think that will give them a higher chance of victory.

That, and his target is still alive, given that I don't trust that [his] target list..and/or, he's been targeting Toaster.

...However, by due process of elimination, what does factor in that how you/Lenglon related to everyone else back then. There are still holes in the weave, like how Toaster/TWS got switched. This list. (Where my suspicion on you partly comes from a double voter being based on someone else's survival...)

I don't see what's meant to be suspicious about being a double voter or having a role that depends on someone else's survival.  I don't understand what you mean by "got stitched", particularly because you're referring to one person who died (and caused my role to become much weaker) and one person who did not die.

On that note..you just had a nightmare detailing what just happened years before-something wholly different to what we all experienced: that being horrors in the future/fears. Which..somehow links me to how the other girls had their reasons for wanting the Prince..

I had a traumatic dream about the past, and then had it linked to my future fears.  There's no real difference at all, it's just that the crux of my role is something that happened in the past.

Slight mishap on detail (ok, HUGE mishap in wording) that I was thinking along the 'Good forces work together and share info' whereas today, the only discrepancies are either:
Lenglon lying about the tracking..in that she is a tracker, but also somehow a killer.
Leafsnail actually having the pro/con with TWS, but not knowing about it (or hinted) and having a kill.

"Somehow"?  She is a mafia member.  Mafia members generally get a kill in addition to their role action.  This is not at all difficult.

You could equally say "How can Leafsnail have a double vote, but also a kill".  Well actually that would make more sense, considering that most people think double voter (especially a double voter that can completely conceal their role with ease) is a role that mafia members should never have (see: mafiascum, if someone demonstrates that they are a double voter they are generally then marked as confirmed town.  Also Xylbot, in which it is a town-only role).

I said quite clearly when claiming that I believed there was another player who my role depended on, due to hints in my role PM.  Please don't theorize about my role if you can't even remember what I said.

The baseline is whoever killed Jim isn't saying they killed Jim and is making up an alibi on how to kill Jim.

If you believe this then the only possible mafia member is Lenglon, because nobody else has a shaky alibi which they're trying to pretend is absolute.

Bolded part: That you didn't use it yesterday..being one minor factor.

I still have no idea how it could possibly relate to Lenglon's flavour claim.  If you think my vote still counts double then fine, follow the plan above and I will be lynched.

Again, I put it to you that there was absolutely no possible use for my vote yesterday.

And the second primary factor being |someone lying about what they did| given how Jim supposedly died and me being attacked.

I really don't understand why you think it's surprising that someone is lying about having killed someone else in a mafia game.  It is a mafia game.  The mafia generally has a kill, and wants to not reveal that they have a kill.  Because revealing that they have a kill would reveal that they're mafia.  Yes?

There's no inconsistency with you being attacked.  We know Toaster did the dirt thing, and Jim did the dream attack.  There are no unaccounted for actions other than the mafiakill on Jim.

[Lenglon]

Lenglon:  What is your attraction to the prince?

Lenglon

4)I don't have flavor for my role
I really didn't have any flavor for my role, and how it connects to my character, so I ended up having to PM Vector and ask what that is about. Basically, I don't stand out all that much. I don't have any really unique skills, or awesome talents, or whatever, but I'm doing what I can to make the most of what I can do. So I follow people. It's... It's not even really a talent. I just don't stand out very much.

Could you re-detail your role again? All I remember (poor be my memory) was that you gained sentience, and was quitely confused because you still remember being a plant. In which the only claim I do remember is that you tried to find soil N1 and was disappointed.

Oh, and that Soli business.

"Um, lady Leaf? I... I really do just kinda... follow someone around. I don't really have an explanation for why or anything. It's... It's kinda a mundane thing, but I seem to be good at it, I suppose. It's... It's not anything like that! No, I... I just... kinda... do it because I can? Anyway, as for the prince? I love him for his beauty and purity, both of body and soul. his ability to see the good in people hidden beneath the surface. It... It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen."
Leafsnail:I follow people around, nothing sexual about it, no explanation for why I track people, I love the prince for his beauty and purity.

4)I don't have flavor for my role
I really didn't have any flavor for my role, and how it connects to my character, so I ended up having to PM Vector and ask what that is about. Basically, I don't stand out all that much. I don't have any really unique skills, or awesome talents, or whatever, but I'm doing what I can to make the most of what I can do. So I follow people. It's... It's not even really a talent. I just don't stand out very much.

If what you are asking is what the flavor for my following people has been? Up until last night I always watched someone go to their target's room. this time was slightly diffferent, requireing process of elimination. If what you are asking is aspects of me being a lilly? well, N1 I tried to eat dirt with unhappy consequences, and my feet failed at drinking water. N2 my flavor was about the dream Jim gave me, N3 I thought about the implications of eating fruit and debated if it was moral or immoral to do so as a lily (which was kinda weird to read because of my odd speech patterns in my pms), and N4 I had a nightmare of lilies rotting.

So..why aren't you talking to Lenglon?

Lenglon: Same query.

I haven't had a reason to do so thus far, everything I have to say I can say publiclly. the only things we've used our chat for was a little investigation into the CLANS (I'm from the LILY CLAN, some other flowers have CLANS, and animals don't have CLANS - Toaster claimed to get basically the same result as I did, both of us had to PM Vector individually for answers, questions asked in the private chat were answered with "huh?" and suchlike). do you have an idea for something we could do that requires private information between the two of us?

[Leafsnail]

Do you have any idea why the mechanics of your role changed last night?

[Lenglon]

Actually, I've just thought of an easy solution to this vote thing, if Lenglon is so certain I'm lying.  Me and Lenglon can vote for me.  Tiruin and Toaster can vote for Lenglon.  If I'm lying about my vote being negative, I will lynch myself.  If we use a shorten vote (ie, and have someone other than me hammer shorten), there's no way for me to manipulate the vote.

Unvote, Leafsnail.

Actually, from my viewpoint, you have Schrodinger's vote, being both a double vote and a minus 1 vote until the point that it is observed. I don't know if you're lying or not, and I can't know it, really, until it is demonstrated. As a result I'm taking precautions against either case. your vote or unvote or whatever it is isn't why I think you're scum, it's simply why I didn't want votes lying around for you to hammer in case it is a double-vote. I see no reason to go with your plan.

I really do not understand what you are getting at here at all.  I am saying that Lenglon's flavour makes no sense at all.  He is a lily.  He is not good at things.  He follows people.  He thinks the prince is pure.  There is no relation between any of these four things, making it not a credible claim.  I am making a comparison to Toaster, who has been able to give a relatively coherent flavour claim.

So why didn't you say anything on Day 3 when I claimed, assuming you had issues with my claim? this smells like far to strongly of the chamber pot for my liking. (also, why do you insist on using "he"? are you trying to make me mad or something?)

Have you heard of WIFOM before?  The fact that players would look back and think "What reason would webadict have to organize a bus?" is a reason to organize a bus.

so why are you making it part of your case if you think it's pure WIFOM? You're the one that brought it up, clearly you think it's good evidence. and then your response to "that's crazy, why would he do that?" is that asking the question is inviting WIFOM?? how hypocritical can you get?

Mini-puzzle my backhand.
I had nothing. nothing nothing Noooooothing to know about Griffy back there, at all. No hint. No tip. No literature-based foreshadowing in my flavor that touched the young prince. Sure, I talked to Horatio about it, but he said nothing nor hinted anything about a younger Prince at all. Vice versa goes on him-reading his role, he knew nothing (ok, my past and me :I) about me--he knew the details, but not who I was, just who would match with his inspect. And by inspect, I thoroughly mean flavor-inspector given how he'll inspect people.

Yes, you weren't told everything.  You had to work some stuff out.  That's why it's a puzzle.  In your original claim you talked about having loved a foreign prince.  That was your clue.  Griffionday was told he had to find someone in the castle.  That was his clue.  If you put the two together, it would become obvious that you are linked.

On the ZU/Soli/Jim thing? Sure, the two acolytes would've said stuff about their flavor--just as ZU did back in the day who had detailed his everything. Jim was town--any townie would've revealed bad stuff..something which ZU knew and said. However said puzzle didn't come to fruition unless Jim was actually a walking time bomb who shouldn't say that because either she's restricted to, or its a trivial notion due to all the vagueness about our knowledge on her.

Yes, ZU and Soli received hints as to the nature of Jim.  Jim received some hints as to her own nature too.  No, they weren't told anything explicitly.  THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A PUZZLE

And yet there weren't any hints about colors being significant, and in fact there were hints that colors were NOT significant, and you, you are making a point of reading into hints, make a point of the colors. again you speak against yourself.

Do you have any idea why the mechanics of your role changed last night?

I suspect because Tiruin wasn't in her room?

[Leafsnail]

Reading back, Lenglon was passive as hell for the vast majority of the game.  In fact, she only voted twice in the entirety of day three - both times for me for dumb reasons, which she quickly retracted.  She also did exactly no scumhunting on said day, and thus ended the day with her vote on no-one and absolutely no suspicions expressed.  Why did you do nothing at all then, Lenglon?  Why are you getting angry about me not voting (but expressing my suspicions clearly) when you ended a day with no vote and no suspicions?

Actually, from my viewpoint, you have Schrodinger's vote, being both a double vote and a minus 1 vote until the point that it is observed. I don't know if you're lying or not, and I can't know it, really, until it is demonstrated. As a result I'm taking precautions against either case. your vote or unvote or whatever it is isn't why I think you're scum, it's simply why I didn't want votes lying around for you to hammer in case it is a double-vote. I see no reason to go with your plan.

There are no hammers today.  And you were clearly attempting to make "OMG LEAFSNAIL STILL HAS TWO VOTES" a thing, it's good to see you back away from that so easily.

So why didn't you say anything on Day 3 when I claimed, assuming you had issues with my claim? this smells like far to strongly of the chamber pot for my liking. (also, why do you insist on using "he"? are you trying to make me mad or something?)

I'm noticing that you aren't disputing that your claim is wholly implausible, and are instead trying to make an unrelated attack on my play.  Yes, I didn't notice that your claim didn't make sense yesterday because I saw two more suspicious targets and decided to focus on them.  Yes, if I were a perfect player I would have noticed.  No, that doesn't mean your wholly implausible claim is ok.  Please try to explain how any aspect of your role links to any other aspect.

I get pronouns wrong sometimes because it takes a while for me to remember genders online.

so why are you making it part of your case if you think it's pure WIFOM? You're the one that brought it up, clearly you think it's good evidence. and then your response to "that's crazy, why would he do that?" is that asking the question is inviting WIFOM?? how hypocritical can you get?

Ok, I think you fundamentally misunderstand what the meaning of WIFOM is.  I don't really blame you, considering how a lot of players talk.  "It's just WIFOM" seems to have become a synonym for "I can't really be bothered to think through your motivations".  But it does have an actual meaning - doing something that appears at first glance to be sub-optimal in order to trick other players.  That is what I think webadict did, and I think it fits the evidence best.  He did something that most players would think unlikely (sacrificing himself with a bus) in order to make his partner appear more town.  My evidence for this is the positively suicidal claim he made, and the fact that webadict is not a total moron.

However, I've just realized there's actually a far more compelling reason.  griffinpup was a very desirable nightkill target, because he would cause me to lose votes and was pretty much universally regarded as town.  However, he had a nightkill blocking ability.  That meant that he really needed to be blocked.  But if webadict blocked, Lenglon would have to kill.  And if Lenglon killed, he wouldn't be able to track.  But he had already claimed to be a tracker.  How could Lenglon perform the kill, but also have a result to present in the morning?

Answer: claim he followed his buddy.

And yet there weren't any hints about colors being significant, and in fact there were hints that colors were NOT significant, and you, you are making a point of reading into hints, make a point of the colors. again you speak against yourself.

Yes there were hints.  Such as the bridal dresses.  And the funeral dresses.  And the roses.  And the fact that there are three pairs each involving two of the three colours.  What hints were there that the colours were not significant?  And for that matter, do you have any idea at all what the puzzle could be if not what I suggested?  What hints were there that the mafia members were the black swan and both shoe wearers?  Because the way I see it, my theory is by far the most plausible explanation for what the puzzle is.

I suspect because Tiruin wasn't in her room?

This explanation does not match what you claimed.

"Anyway, um. you wanted to know how I knew Toaster was looking for you? Well, it took me a little while, but as I watched her she passed by opportunities to go to other people's rooms, and seemed to be searching someone out. so I eventually was able to figure out she was looking for you by process of elimination."

What you claimed was that you saw him walking somewhere, but not going into the rooms he passed, and then you broke off your following early because you had to kill Jim.  Why would Tiruin not being in her room cause you to behave differently?

[Leafsnail]

Further, why would you think that Tiruin had an alibi if she was mysteriously not in her room, despite the fact that she's claimed a role that doesn't leave her room?

[Tiruin]

PFP Yeah life has been muchly pressurized at this point.

Mod: Votecount/Day End?

Do you have any idea why the mechanics of your role changed last night?

What mechanics were those?

[Toaster]

Extend.

No energy for post tonight, and tomorrow looks sketchy as well.

[Leafsnail]

Changing from following someone fully to only following them part of the way.  For some reason.  And then not having any suspicions about this.