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[Lenglon]

Also Tiruin you are being very hypocritical by asking webadict to claim and not fully claiming yourself.

>_> I claimed in full, only that I can't directly claim.

Link please?

[Lenglon]

"I... I don't remember when you told us that stuff Tiruin, um. could you jog my memory for me, please?"
flavor for above

[Tiruin]

..I love you Lenglon. :I

Check it.

ZU: What do you know about spirits?

[Lenglon]

"I... I..."
Lenglon swallows
"Would... would you hurt me if I followed you tonight?"
Tiruin: would you kill me if I followed you?

[Tiruin]

Tiruin facepalms.

"If I say no, would you believe me? Ahaha. I'm no killer. A defender has a different style than to kill, and I am not one who sheds blood.

"...And I don't punch lillies. Silly.

"..For that matter, I don't go anywhere at night, so I'd suggest you followed someone else."

[Lenglon]

"Y-Yeah, but still. I mean, you mentioned that you couldn't directly say who and what you are, right? so... so I thought that if I asked the right questions, I might help you work around that... right? So, um, if... like if I followed you, or searched your room, or gave you some kind of shield or... whatever, as long as I didn't actually try to hurt you, I'd be ok? but... if someone, or, heh, I've been using myself as the example for all of these, might as well be consistent I suppose. If I tried to steal a knife and stab you or something, then you'd almost certainly be able to stop me and hurt me for trying? I... I mean, it's not like I'd do any of that, but still, if I did, you'd not do anything about it unless I tried to hurt you? but if I did try, you'd be able to stop me and hurt me instead?"
Tiruin:just trying to work around your posting restriction.
if I inspected you, would you kill me?
if I followed you, would you kill me?
if I protected you, would you kill me?
if I tried to NK you, would you kill me?

[Tiruin]

"...Pretty astute there. No on all fronts, well, except for the last. On that last, I'll stop you. But to hurt you, will be my last resort.

"..Err, why're you asking me if you wanted to kill me? How does..that make sense? Wouldn't that help those who want to kill? Threats to the Prince and all that?"

[Lenglon]

"I... I was just trying to help you get around that restriction you have, I didn't mean any harm by it. I wasn't considering the possible damage the information could do, because I thought that you'd already thought things through when you described yourself in the first place.sorry. Um, if you thought I was being indescrete there, why'd you bother answering that part? I mean, it's not like I was trying to force you or anything. Um, are there more questions it would be helpful if I asked you? and if so, do you think you could gimmie a hint as to what I should be asking?"
I was focused on the ways to work around the post restriction, and didn't worry about possible harm from a claim that you'd already attempted to make.
Tiruin: if the question was bad, why did you answer it?
Tiruin: is there anything else that you want to claim but are restricted from doing so? if so, please point me in the right direction so I can ask the right questions to let you work around it.

[Tiruin]

"Like I said, I tell nothing but the truth back there. And here, if you'll regard technicalities. I am not crucial to the game as far as I know-just another princess who wishes to see the Prince alive."

Tiruin: if the question was bad, why did you answer it?

Because I can. :I

I'm wondering why you asked it.

Tiruin: is there anything else that you want to claim but are restricted from doing so? if so, please point me in the right direction so I can ask the right questions to let you work around it.

. . .
Nope. Nothing else but who I am. My name.

[Vector]

Tiruin looks at the Prince once more, glancing around before speaking her question. "What do you think about your subjects, milord? What do you think about yourself, and your possessions?

"What do you understand about 'evil'?"

Speak to the Prince.

"My subjects are my responsibility.  My blood binds me to this land and all within it, and when I am crowned, I will be bled to anoint the soil.  I have no need for any material good, which is the gift given to me by my subjects in exchange for my lifeblood, and that of my line, forevermore."

He sighs, almost indiscernibly, and looks you in the eye.

"There is nothing to be understood about evil.  I cannot understand any obsession with it.  After all, I--We--do not reside within human obligation.  We may not establish personal attachments to individual people; we are this land, and nothing less and no more."

Sigfred:
What happened to Fortinbras?
Did you know there are males within us 13 "princesses"?
Do you trust Horatio?
Do you know anything of the Rose Clan? How about the Lily Clan?
Do you have any other siblings?

"My elder brother offered Fortinbras half the kingdom and he departed, satisfied with his holdings--then, at least.  Not so long after, Brother departed as well.  I trust Horatio with my life.  It was he who convinced Fortinbras to break the circle of revenge.  That Brother offered half the land was his decision.  It may not have been a wise one.  But I cannot judge him; I am the last of my line and must rather focus on the present.

"I did not know that there were men here among the thirteen.  A misfortune.  I must, after all, produce an heir.

"As for the Rose and Lily Clans. . . ?  I think I may have heard the old gardener rambling about it, but all he meant by it was "roses" and "lilies."  Sometimes he would talk to the plants as though they were people; he did not distinguish between animate and inanimate things.  He felt he was steward of all the earth and all beings upon it.  Just and kind.

". . . I think, sometimes, that he would have made a better Prince than I."

[Lenglon]

"Well, when you reminded me of your story, you also said that you couldn't directly tell us who you are and what you can do. but I noticed that you were able too... skirt the edges? you could get pretty close anyway. but I noticed that you put a special emphasis on the word kill near the end of the tale. so I was trying to work out what that meant. It seemed to me that you were telling us that you could defend yourself, but that unlike some, you weren't so paranoid as to lash out at the innocent. so I tried to give you a simple yes or no question to clarify what you meant. and... well, your answer confused me, because it seemed like you might have meant that you weren't actually defensive at all, but instead might go hunting for danger, similarly to Solifuge. I didn't think that was what you meant, but it was possible. So I felt a need to clarify what was said. If I'd only asked the first three, then I wasn't going to be able to confirm that you really were talking about defense or not."

I'm wondering why you asked it.

the logic sequence would have been incomplete without it.

[Tiruin]

the logic sequence would have been incomplete without it.

You could've gone with 'kill' for exactness. Instead you went with NK. Specifically, a scum deal.

What logic would be in that sequence?

"Well, when you reminded me of your story, you also said that you couldn't directly tell us who you are and what you can do. but I noticed that you were able too... skirt the edges? you could get pretty close anyway. but I noticed that you put a special emphasis on the word kill near the end of the tale.[...]"

You remember what Tiruin said. You remember it seems mostly like she's taunting or goading, or just giving a good laugh after delivering a long tale such as that.

So yes, that's me (wo)manning up.

". . . I think, sometimes, that he would have made a better Prince than I."[/i]

"You've done more than many men of greater calibre could not do, that I can say."

What I think we know
> Horatio is innocent (yes this is mostly coming from me.)
> There is something attached to a role regarding the town vs scum outnumbering deal.
> There is a Goddess. Jim claims Goddess. Dreams. Stuff.
> We've got 2 people affected by the musician (TWS). Okami[Webadict] and Leafsnail.
> By logical reasoning, there are 2 scum left. In the worst case, 3.
> "Love and Synthesis." I'm really betting that this has to do in a generality, but that we should not think too much on the details. Lynch scum first--that doesn't seem to go against the violent route (I mean, going by the elegant route, I'm pretty doubtful that we can persuade them off as they're players..)

[webadict]

The name O_o

webadict the Red Shoes.

And I asked "could"-which..could be responded with something less than shock and exasperation, thanks.

And please answer these. I can't get what the benefits are--claiming doesn't explicitly mean 'throwing out your role/information' for others to dissect.

You said "should" as in "Why shouldn't you claim?" as in "What precedent stands for you to not claim?" as if there were already standing traditions for claiming. You didn't ask if I could claim.

And yes, claiming means EXACTLY throwing out role/information, as you are claiming something is true, such as being a role or some information you have.

This is why massive claims at the beginning of the game are horribly anti-Town. You remove anonymity and uncertainty.

Are they also anti-scum?

I could argue the semantics behind this, but the easiest way to say it is: I don't have to claim anything. This is the default. Giving information and eliminating uncertainty is double-edged. On the one hand, there could be information that helps. On the other hand, there eliminates protection and creates valuable targets. If the information were more beneficial, there could be a reason to release it.

What protection would there be for a townie?

Because at this point I can't see why what you did is so important that it must be withheld, along with the note in bold above? Yeah. Okami didn't seem like he followed the same idea judging by his 4 out of 7 pertinent posts.

The protection for a townie is that they cannot judge whether you are a top priority target or a low priority target as accurately. Maybe I'm a cop. Maybe I'm a doctor. Maybe I'm a paranoid war veteran. Nobody knows. Uncertainty means that I can be anything.

And seriously, I'm not Okami. I'm not roleplaying as Okami. I never agreed to play like Okami did or does or will do. I can't help that Okami quit. But, congratulations, you've ACTUALLY got a real person playing the game. His name just happens to be webadict. So, continue to complain about how I'm not following Okami's play because if I were to play like Okami, I'd be not playing. So, can I stopped being compared to a player that doesn't exist anymore? It really annoys me.

Anyway. judging by this, it seems that you've no care or need for knowledge of such, or any other triviality according to said flavor.

Well, as much fun as it is to discuss someone else's words, I can only say: Maybe he didn't care.

What is the core fact on why you're not claiming? To give scum an edge? From this point onwards, (#57 lurkertracker)
You stated:

I've minimalised as much of my flavor as possible in order to avoid revealing my role. In fact, anyone clever should be able to figure out what my role is from my flavor claim.

This and probably (well, I don't know why you said this but it doesn't sound like snark)

How does me not claiming give scum an edge? And you are either misunderstanding or not understanding at all, but if you're given a Friendly Neighbor action by a player that you were convinced was scum, you'd understand. And I had plenty of reason to assume he was scum.

You didn't flavorclaim, exactly. You just said you have slippers..And when we say slippers here, they're..um, flip-flops, as how other countries say it? >_<

AnywayYou did say your point on it. However here you're just uncomfortable with people knowing it -now- than later. But this. You're with Leafsnail in a way that the music compels you to dance. And..I'm somehow thinking the story of the pied piper here--like you both share a past with him.

Right. Shoes is the more broad term, I suppose. Slippers are still the correct term as they would be the type of shoeware to slip over your feet. Think of the story of Cinderella.

And it doesn't seem so. My shoes were a gift from someone that later turned out to be a not very nice person.

Though..This is an intriguing catch. While he didn't say anything regarding who did what about the white swan, the other deaths have notes.

Oh, and on that flavor, the only idea in my head is that you're Cinderella.

...I've no idea on how that relates to protection or whatnot other than assume that the Black Swan cohort is a group of angry stepsisters who are rich and pretty much condescending jerks.

..That's what I remember of the movie anyway.
Or that the musician has power over different shoes.

Ah, that's odd. I say Cinderella and look at that. But, I don't see as much correlation.

[Tiruin]

PFP

So, can I stopped being compared to a player that doesn't exist anymore? It really annoys me.

Didn't wish it to come off that way, just trying to relate the predecessor and the current player..but I guess I was being too compare-y.

Ah, that's odd. I say Cinderella and look at that. But, I don't see as much correlation.

I'm pretty lost in the correlation too. We've got pairs and maybe even triads popping up. Euclidean math, much? As in..linear connections?

Anyway, a thought hit me.

ZU: Why are you claiming doctor at this time?

[Lenglon]

"I... I was trying to list off things people can do at night. I... what? so... I should have included the group's daytime decisions or something?"

the logic sequence would have been incomplete without it.

You could've gone with 'kill' for exactness. Instead you went with NK. Specifically, a scum deal.

What logic would be in that sequence?

I was listing night actions. NK means a kill that happens at night. mafiakill is the mafia's kill. NK includes SKs, mafia, vigs, JOATs, etc.
I didn't include daykills because I assumed the only one that would happen is the lynch.
Tiruin:are you saying that you kill in reaction to the lynch?