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[Jim Groovester]

..And wasn't the elder brother slain in the BM? Regardless, no. I wasn't around anywhere overseas or on or near that voyage the elder brother was on.

It appears I'm mixing up the flavor.

He dislikes retracting his decisions, which is perhaps why he has kept the current entourage despite rumors of plotted murder.

Perhaps he doesn't want to disappoint anyone.  Perhaps he is simply too lazy or sad to look for another thirteen; lonely enough to keep around the knife that would kill him.

I took this line in the flavor to mean that some of the present princesses were involved in the elder brother's death.

Paths? People took..paths? As in, you manifested as their intent, or was it something else?

Poor paths, as in the kind of path somebody might take that would turn them eeeeeeevil.

What was your intent in your dreams aside from the message--what did you want us to think you were?

I had no intent besides the message.

Anyway, why'd you choose to give yon message now of all times? And the explicit wording of you standing with the Prince? There was what my suspicion also drew upon--maybe showcasing your desire instead.

Jim: Was your ability to send any message you wanted, or to confirm that you stood by the prince? (Sorry if you've said it already, my computer is really slow and I don't want to trawl)

Did you intentionally use the ability or did it automatically fire off N2?  Why use it then, if a choice?  Also, could you choose the message/targets?  (Blah Tiruin asked a lot of this)  (And TWS too dammit)

On N1 my action was interrupted by who knows what action, so N2 was the only night I could send it out. Further, Vector changed up my role on N2 so that I dreamed with everybody, whereas my original role has me sharing a dream with only one person.

I did not get to choose the contents of the message that I sent out.

Sending out the message was an intentional night action. As for why now, why not now? I suppose a potent argument could be made for doing it the night before lylo, but because of cagey mod who knows when that's going to end up being. Getting it out sooner rather than later seemed like a better choice.

I'm pretty sure he knows who I am now, if he reads back.

I'll keep this in mind that you have apparently given away enough clues to identify yourself when I do my reread.

Jim:  Did Vector say how many had taken poor paths?

She did not. And I doubt that if I asked I would get that sort of meta information.

Blah blah I'll get to a reread sometime.

[Tiruin]

Tiruin:  What makes you think the Goddess is a player?

A hunch, actually. It was never an exact, just that I thought the Goddess was a player which I expounded upon.

Until ZU said so.

Though..Jim's powers to infiltrate the subconscious is pretty interesting.


Everyone: Claim what you saw Jim as.

Also, something weird with the wincons.

Scum (or..the BS Cohort) Wins only when all others outside their faction is killed (yeah, this can't be a cult-based game.)
Town wins when all threats to the Prince are gone.

...So by logical example, Town wins by default given that the Prince still lives and is able to tell our story.

Loophole sighted.

Oh, and the OP flavor changed by the way. I'm loving it, but the lie is a bit clearer from here. Unsure which though.

But there are definites: Town are technically opposed to Scum--the cohort. Whoever this Goddess is, it ain't one of Order. Or..perhaps it is, but the strange thing about it is that the Prince talks about it as a narrator rather than an observer.

And i'm typing straight out of memory here because I'm drawing conclusions from what happens in the future. Woo. Still, assuming he's all telling truths, part of what he says is unreliable (Unreliable narrator ftw~~)

Anyway, I'm pretty unsure about the whole deal. Whether Solifuge did the kills (A stiletto is more suited for stabbing or precise wounds), the weird thing is the shift in how they were killed. It can be assumed that the killer always uses something they currently have.

Like Griffy. He died via stiletto, as assumed by the gruesome scene.

Solifuge died via..some weird thing. Attributed to the lynch, I'm betting the flavor on these are wide and various. Just like that modkill.

However, NQT. He died via defenestration, but this wasn't the cause. As in 'admiring the scenery outside the window firsthand'. He was shoved out of some high place. Oh, and 32 darn punctures at his front. Unless someone has a hidden dagger or whatever, this is truly insane.

"Horatio! How large were the wounds on the old man we saw by the gate?"

Toaster:

In any case, Jim appeared to me as a flower.  My flavor doesn't mention any goddess, or the Bleeding Nine.

Jim:  Did Vector say how many had taken poor paths?

Did you intentionally use the ability or did it automatically fire off N2?

Automatically? How is something like that automatic?

Vector: I examine [as in look at and perhaps admire by aesthetics] the people around me. What do I see?

"Note to scum. You'll never win the Prince's heart until you kill us all. Enjoy being SKs, as your intentions are never going to be pure in heart. Resort to win a man over material influence, and rid the rest of equal chance. I'd ask why you're all doing this, but I'm expecting silence."

..Yeah the flavor got me again.

Spoiler: NQT Flavor OOC (click to show/hide)

Unfortunately, you have grown old--so old that no one can tell, anymore, if you are a man or a woman.

That's one really healthy NQT because that's also...thrice darn old. No offense in my intent here, but...age and all that.

PPE: Jin

I'll keep this in mind that you have apparently given away enough clues to identify yourself when I do my reread.

Bahaha, *scoffs*
Only to the most astute, and even then--given that you've a hand up over the rest, then you'll know when you see it.

On N1 my action was interrupted by who knows what action, so N2 was the only night I could send it out. Further, Vector changed up my role on N2 so that I dreamed with everybody, whereas my original role has me sharing a dream with only one person.

A significant person, it seems. Why did you pick that person? And if possible, who-and why?

Poor paths, as in the kind of path somebody might take that would turn them eeeeeeevil.

In which you don't give it out, huh. Why aren't you?

[Lenglon]

"In... In my dream, Lady Jim came to me in a really, well... really strange form. the form of a woman with 13 torsos. I... I don't understand why she looked like that. It, well, it didn't make any sense to me, even in the context of a dream. It's hard for me to even retain the mental picture of how someone can even have 13 torsos. she moved oddly, and in my dream, I had been changed too. I... I looked similar to... someone who I used to know very well. The whole thing was quite strange. I'd like some explanation of what it all meant Jim. I feel like there is much that this message said that hasn't been explained very well. I... Well, the message details said something about myself, but didn't really show off what I can do. So I wouldn't say it revealed secrets or anything, it just... well, it was all quite odd and... incomplete?"
Jim: You appeared as a woman with 13 torsos.

Did anyone else's Jim-flavour reveal their role?

No
Jim: Why such a strange appearance?
Jim: Why did the dream change my appearance?

[zombie urist]

wtf? how does that even work?

I can't be sure the goddess is a player, but the flavor suggests she is.

Non-voters should vote LS for his "don't think, just lynch Solifuge" attitude yesterday. 

[Tiruin]

wtf? how does that even work?

I can't be sure the goddess is a player, but the flavor suggests she is.

Non-voters should vote LS for his "don't think, just lynch Solifuge" attitude yesterday. 

Please respond to my queries >_>

And yeah, his attitude was such..as in, not excusing Ludum Dare, but this seems sort of vague. Expound, sir ma'am.

As for why now, why not now? I suppose a potent argument could be made for doing it the night before lylo, but because of cagey mod who knows when that's going to end up being.

...So you blame the mod?

[Vector]

The fact that a threat doesn't succeed in killing someone doesn't make the threat any less of a threat, does it?  Also, the OP flavor didn't change.  You may just be interpreting it differently.

And, furthermore--not all threats are existential.  The Prince is rather innocent, isn't he?


Horatio has taken to habitually standing with his hands tucked behind his back, now, and does not touch people--instead stopping an inch away.  He does not approach the Prince at all.

"The old man's wounds?" he says, somewhat unsteadily.  "They were long and shallow, deeper towards the middle, and curved downwards a little at each end.

". . . What does someone like you want to know a thing like that?  You can count on the Pri--"

He closes his mouth tight, walks away, and doesn't finish his thought.

You look around you, at the other girls.  They seem a little shocked at your exchange, and look at Horatio as though he has gone mad.  Around you are. . . seven women in black dresses, wearing wilted flowers in their hair, whose exhaustion is hurting their looks.


Because folks seem to be floundering a lot, and I don't think another note in flavortext is going to get through:

I realize that I may be frustrating you, but much like in any of Web's BYORs or countless other games I'm not going to explicitly tell you exactly which roles are present.  And I'm not going to tell you when LYLO is.  (Seriously?  This isn't a BM)  I'm just going to say that there is information you have that you could use more productively (though you may not have shared it), and that this is fundamentally a game of Mafia.  Not a Mafia-like, it's Mafia, just as it states in the OP.  There's no embedded RTD or anything.  Most of the tricks that could have been present fizzled, but there's a couple left.  I'm trying something I've never seen before, but again--it is Mafia.

But because we've had an extraordinarily slow and rocky start, I'm going to provide some hints.

Spoiler: 1 (click to show/hide)

Perhaps you should ask yourselves: "How do I think Vector would design a game?"

Well, Vector likes fairness and cleverness, doesn't she.  Remember that OP?  The clever, the kind. . . and the bold launch an offensive against the evil in their midsts.

Spoiler: 2 (click to show/hide)

Or, to repackage that for you: There's a brute-force way to play this game and an elegant way to play this game, by design.  If you want to brute-force it, ignore the flavor--99% of it--and scumhunt.

If you want to play it elegantly, I suggest thinking out of the box a little and that the forces of Good do their damndest to kill the information gap.  This is an information game, after all.  Flexing your powers of interpretation will help.

Spoiler: 3 (click to show/hide)

Or, if I must repackage it once again:

This game has been intentionally balanced so that elegance mildly favors Good (unconventional information present), and brute force mildly favors Evil (conventional information withheld).  Both courses are winnable for both sides.  Brute force will give Good some nasty surprises, and elegance will give Good some pleasant ones.  That's inverted for Evil, though everyone can benefit some from both methods.

It's a semi-bastard mod.  That means that there's a puzzle, and if Good solves it, then they will win.  But there are other ways, hence the "semi-."  No one has been told what the puzzle is, but it will be easier for Evil to figure it out.  This is, as I said. . . an information game.

I have done my best to make it so that no one action will result in total catastrophe for anyone, from massclaiming to firing off powers in strange places to inspection results to [SECRETS] (but some of these will be better and worse for different factions).  And simultaneously, I have done my best to make it so that the game does not excessively favor any one player or team as the days progress.  The goal is to create an environment in which legitimate exploration is possible.

Balance.  Moderation.  If the question would be a gamebreaker, I won't answer it.  So ask other questions--ask more questions of each other, figure out who you can trust and what the cost of not trusting is, and go for broke.

You won't be provided with a mass flavor inspection, because that would make me a shitty mod.  You're going to have to extract information from each other, as usual.  Use what you have to get what you want.  You had everything you needed to solve the puzzle from the very beginning.

And with that, I really can't say any more about the structure of the game.

[zombie urist]

Webadict: Are you the duck?

Is the duck the goddess?

Are there any more dudes in disguise among us?

Should we no lynch?

Are these rhetorical questions or serious ones?

Please respond to my queries >_>

I'm pretty sure I got all of them but I'm too busy to check. Sorry.

Also a bunch of LS's posts yday were all like "Solifuge is obv scum. Lynch him." "He's scum, lynch him", etc. Which by itself isn't scummy, but it made me feel like he wanted to get day over ASAP and stifle discussion. I still have a bad taste over the double voter claim thingy.

[Jim Groovester]

UGH GUYS YOURE NOT GETTING IT GOSH

Alright, if the mod has to come in and give us hints and tell us in no uncertain terms that exploring flavor might be a useful fucking thing to do, maybe we should take the hint.

It's time for a mass flavor claim. Claim everything that you know. If you are not forthcoming then I will vote you and recommend others do the same.

If we are going to solve this puzzle we need pieces, and we are solving this fucking puzzle.


I am Sleeping Beauty. While dreaming I can pretty much do anything imaginable and have. I was sent here by my parents because they wanted to see if all my wild dreams could be cured by the Prince's touch (hubba hubba), but instead I was put into the marriage lottery. I control where I go and what I dream and always have and I'm not willing to give that up.

I alerted everybody to the threats the Prince faced because I discovered it while I was dreaming and I talk in my sleep.

The Prince doesn't seem to be very choosy with the people he's gathered and this is something I like about him. He's still dreaming, like me.

The way my role worked is that I have a list of topics I can choose to dream about and a person to share them with. The list is long and varied. The result is that I get flavor, which may or may not be useless.

On N1, I attempted to dream with Solifuge about the Writer's Curse. I suspected Solifuge and had no idea what my role would do and the Writer's Curse sounded like an ominous enough topic to dream about that if he was guilty I might get revealing information. Sadly, somebody woke me up and then led me around the castle. I fell asleep while I was walking around and dreamed about ducks and princes, which was Griffionday's thingy. I woke up with aching feet and a split toenail.

On N2, after Ottofar was modkilled, apparently my role changed from Sleeping Beauty to Dreaming Goddess. The basic concept remained the same; I choose a topic to dream about, but now I get to share it with everybody, and now I can't be interrupted by things that from a flavor perspective might reasonably be expected to wake me up.

After the modkill, when I received notice about the changes to my role, I also received flavor about Ottofar's modkill. It begins with me dreaming about Solifuge, and then I feel the presence of the youngest prince (deceased) and his family, and the White Swan (also deceased) and her lover. Apparently I added the land of the dead to potential dreamscapes.

I sense Ottofar and go to her, and she's conflicted about getting her revenge but it being unsatisfying to her. I suggest she pay her respects to the White Swan's grave, and she does so. I attempt to read her feelings, but she begins panicking, and I become much more forceful with my attempts to read her. I eventually force a connection, and Ottofar shares with me all the dreamscapes I regularly visit, and then her heart stops. I then wake up, and I can't feel the spirits of the dead as strongly, but now I can feel the spirits of the living better than ever. I feel like I can swallow all of humanity whole.

As part of my N2 action, I chose to dream about a bell. I imagined a bell, and the rest of the flavor is as I've described it previously. I visited everybody in their dreams, announced that I stood with the Prince, and appeared as a form that would be familiar to them, and flattering to me.

If you're paying attention, you'll recognize that my role as described here is different than what I claimed. I wanted to claim my role as something of a one-shot alignment announcer thing to make myself less of a NK target, in the hopes I'd be able to dream again and hopefully get useful flavor.

But this is my full claim, including flavor.

I reread all the flavor and some things stuck out to me.

Is the duck the goddess?

Checking the description of the Goddess in Solifuge's role PM, I believe the Goddess is me.

_{*GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASP*}

On her forehead the letters 'Q. E. S.' appeared.

Anybody have any idea what Q. E. S. stands for?

"'Open the window,' said one of the girls, tugging my sleeve.  'Please.  You must open the window and close the door.  She has lost her way, but open the window and close the door for her, please, before it's too late.'

The window was open, but so was the door.  I was unsure if his spirit had been able to depart--or if it was stuck in that castle with us."

I have no idea if this is significant but spirits leaving through windows has been mentioned twice now.

But what you know of him is that he is kind, if naive; both cheerful and melancholy by turns, if sweetly so; and easily given to distant transports of imagination.  These dreams fling him across time and space, and he is inattentive in those moments, save to those who would deepen the illusion.

Yeah, sorry, gals.

The Prince? He's mine, all mine.

MOD, what do we know about Mother Death that's mentioned in the flavor?

[Jim Groovester]

UGH GUYS YOURE NOT GETTING IT GOSH

Also, this is such a mathematician's view of a mafia game.

Oh, sure, you can brute-force it, but there is an elegant solution, if you're clever enough to find it.

[Tiruin]

Because folks seem to be floundering a lot, and I don't think another note in flavortext is going to get through:

I realize that I may be frustrating you, but[...]

I'm far from frustrated--I've a whole MS word document filled with my speculations and I'm discarding and reinforcing those I'm matching up as I re-read deeper.

Not frustrated--I do know that this game is balanced, and that your notes are darn good, don't worry.

UGH GUYS YOURE NOT GETTING IT GOSH

There's also a Philosopher's view of the game, which is somewhat mostly every my viewpoint in everything..so...yeah it takes me time to get the correct feel of the current scenario.

...I've a feeling Vector is deeply disappointed :/

PFP - Cooking. Will get my everything later up + massclaim and stuff.

[Tiruin]

EBWOP:

Jim

I have no idea if this is significant but spirits leaving through windows has been mentioned twice now.

It's significant enough that one of us asked the prince to do that pertaining to Solifuge's lynch flavor. Which may very much be ZU's character talking.

...

The Prince? He's mine, all mine.

*cough obsessive third-party cough*
I'm really unsure about you, Jim. Maybe your wincon is to get the Prince all for yourself. :v Yes this is me being a skeptic though most of me totally trusts you like a younger version of me trusting a teddy bear. It's complicated, but it's also simple.

[Toaster]

Okay, I'm in.

I am Toaster the Rose.  Like, literally, a rose.  I was growing in the garden until suddenly I was a girl, which confused me as one might expect.  My flavor is all lower case and uses short declarative sentences with little punctuation, much like someone who isn't used to English (or perhaps the concept of language) would.  I like seeing roses picked because that means more are planted and it's good for the ROSE CLAN (a concept, all caps preserved, mentioned three times in my PM.  Anyone else get that?)  I like giving the other girls roses to (and I wish I could quote the exact wording for this because it's hilarious) help them get "pollinated" wink wink nudge nudge.  I like the Prince because his attention is like sunlight.

Also, all you other princesses keep stopping me from eating dirt.

N1, my flavor mentions me convincing Horatio to bury Web 1.0 in the garden, which he agreed to.  I thought she'd be good fertilizer.  Also I was confused about why people don't work together- the flowers do.

N2, I dreamed I was a rose again, and Jim came to me as a woman in a red dress, facing the sun.  She also had many small faces and arms growing out of her torso.  This also confused me, because I didn't realize what a dream was at all until I woke up.

Someone said something about a possibility of "paired" roles- if so, I must have been paired to NQT since he was the gardener.  I got zero mention of him in flavor, though.


I'm not sure about full claiming just yet, but I will say Web may know what I can do since I actioned him last night.  I don't know if he got a flavor or mechanical notification, but if he did he should be able to affirm that.


Anyone have any other garden-related flavor?  Anyone else either not human or not female?

[zombie urist]

I'm Hypatia and I followed the goddess here. I'm paired with Solifuge we're both mathy and want to protect the goddess. I love Euclid and a bunch of other theorems almost as much as the goddess, and the prince has a math book with really cool proofs.

QES is probably QED with a typo?

[zombie urist]

wait maybe its groups of 3.

Me, Solifuge, Goddess Jim
Gardener, Rose, Lily?
Duck duck goose???
LOL

[zombie urist]

There's 13 of us originally so there would be a left over dude no matter what, unless its some combination of 2s and 3s.

Also 7 = 13/2 rounded up I guess reinforces pairs or something.