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Tiruin

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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #465 on: September 04, 2013, 10:15:24 pm »

PFP
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Because as much as I enjoy lies, it'd be pretty extremely bastard-like to do that. Plus, there's more to it, which I'm sure Jim knows about, but I'd rather not say.
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So you [Okami] and Jim are in this together..or he knows of something about your role that you can't say yourself. Is the latter correct? What's wrong with him knowing your role?

And yes, I'm doing job stuff. Which I might finally have now! Yay!
*high-five*



It wouldn't hurt.
Looking at your list of vague flavourcops, would you say any of them are at all incriminating?

Leafsnail: What's your case on ZU? I see subtle emotional tells given your stance on him despite your crux being
[passivity]
He's doing literally nothing.  Not stating any real suspicions, not making any real attempt at scumhunting.  Just asking some irrelevant questions and pretending to contribute.

But it's strange that you don't like them (however lacking they are, context is needed to justify that. I mean, I've been 'passive' all this time and it's been related to RL stuff; he misses questions, yeah, but its only been recently that he's been doing such [Yon two posts]) though I'd like your explanation on why his passivity is different.
I don't think your play this game is remotely comparable to ZU's, although now that I think about it yes, you are being pretty passive.  Why are you making a deflection defence on ZU's behalf?  Why did you also not give an opinion on his alignment?
Not deflection, that's me trying to relate on ZU's behalf because of certain things I recall with him:
a. We're in college, and stuff like this is stressful so I'd want to know how the player feels as opposed to how his playstyle is reacting.
b. It's also comparative in a way, I'm giving one conclusion I could think of that would be feasible to you, and wondering how you'd respond.
c. The opinion rested until he posted.
d. Backtracing any related notes to the Goddess and stuff on that matter. Like what Soli said. But darn what Soli said because it's still vague. Less vague, but still vague.
...Back to ZU.

Because I'm thinking that he is the goddess (the role) due to one of the tiiiiny tidbits.
Maybe its time for flavorclaim? You were a math goddess in my dream. My char is based on a female mathematician.
This thing. A math 'goddess' would speak that 'Jim Groovester is x and x'..and the person would be a mathematician? Didn't ring right when I read it that way, and comparing to how I was addressed, I chose to punch suspicion in the face and ask. Now, I'm under the notion that the Goddess is a town-aligned power-role given how she's got guards and stuff, and somehow, for some indiscernible reason she's important. Whether it's connected to the Black Swan note is of yet unknown to me, but the notion still stands-I didn't want to claim that exactly, but wanted to see his reaction to confirm it.

...ZU

I don't care about LS' accusation because I'm being defeatist and lazy.
"Wat."

Why are you being defeatist and lazy?! What made you..'forget' (or..y'know, the total opposite of "You know, I never thought the goddess was an actual player in this game until I just reread my role PM. Whoops. I don't know what would happen if she died, but its bad. ") that there was someone there that you had a correlation to?

. . .Expound. Please. Because you either do know that his accusations hold certain ground without your defense, or that...
...
...

Why are you being apathetic again?



Jin: So...anything you'd like to share with us? Know that while my claim on my dream-meeting may be a generalism, it's the truth in a certain special way.



-Yon Flavor-
I hate how this pulls my leg so hard that it's leaving my dragging myself back to check and recheck.

...I'm reaaaally liking how you're doing this. But my literary self is trying reverse osmosis with all those words you're doing.

It's complicated that way. :I



So the Prince thinks its a Goddess of Order, and somehow says that its relevance coincides with organization--either half of this is a lie, or the writer's trick of showing and not telling, or playing to curiosity.

There is no way anyone in public knows it's a goddess of order, but that townies who don't want to see the Prince threatened are aligned (or..like, 'with') her.

Now, judging from contextual storyline-evidence, it would be strange to see a Divinity (remember that the Prince is naive and all..with good intent u__u) to visit a mortal, herself. But she brought allies along with--allies with powers of...well, things not dedicated to protecting inherently, but in removing the threat entirely. (Soli's kill)

ZU: I will restart my question since you seemingly missed it.

What is your opinion of the Goddess in relation to your power. What do you think is her purpose of being here?


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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #466 on: September 04, 2013, 10:21:53 pm »

EBWOP

Jim:

Because if somebody didn't get the *wink wink nudge nudge* it could be significant somehow. So blabbing about it might not be the greatest idea, especially if its significance is alignment related.

Or it could be a great big waste of time. There's a pretty good chance of that happening, actually.
How could it be a big waste of time? Now that I got my thoughts oriented, I can't see how this is any waste of time at all.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #467 on: September 04, 2013, 11:56:30 pm »

I didn't forget, I just skipped over all the flavor because I didn't think it was important.

I'm apathetic because I have other things to do now that are more important.

No idea, doesn't say. I guess the goddess just likes the prince.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #468 on: September 05, 2013, 12:00:55 am »

Point.  However, I did mean your flavor as opposed to your role.

I went to sleep. Then using my magic dream powers I reached out to everybody and appeared to them as a bunch of different forms. I gave the message that I stand with the Prince. The different forms were amusing to me and I found everybody charming in their own, special ways, even the ones who had taken poor paths. Then I woke up feeling great about myself.

This is the extent of my flavor and all the detail I got. The list of forms I appeared as came after the flavor text of my PM.

If you're going to ask about who had taken poor paths, I already did. Vector tells me that I do not know.

Jim appeared to me as my mother, but far older and more wrinkly. This is why I asked how old Jim's character was.

. . .

Jim: If you knew how you appeared to me in my dream, why did you ask why my question about your age was relevant? Seems like a logical connection to make.

Yeah, it's a logical connection, but I did not know I appeared to you as your mother.

I know I appeared to somebody as an aged mother, but I did not know that I appeared as that to you, nor that I appeared to you as your mother in particular.

It wouldn't hurt.
Looking at your list of vague flavourcops, would you say any of them are at all incriminating?

Not incriminating on their own, no.

The player and the context with which I appeared may yield useful clues.

Plus, there's more to it, which I'm sure Jim knows about, but I'd rather not say.

Yeah, don't count on that. I have no idea what you're talking about.

> Jim's name is...totally different. As in from forever. He's a -ster, not a -star. What gives, Jim? [Most of me is screaming in-joke context but..well, asking can't hurt]

I have on occasion been called Jim Groovestar on the basis that it's cooler than Jim Groovester. In any case, you'll have to ask Vector why I'm referred to as Jim Groovestar, since she's the one who first put my name down like that in the OP.

You might also ask her why for Day 2 she wrote down Wubadub on the vote counts instead of Webadict.

If I were to take a guess, I think she might be having a little fun.

Very interesting. Why aren't you claiming what forms you appeared as given the fact that it'll help the town--at least in showing what everyone is interested in to fix part of what we're finding? That's something I find very weird given that you got a large chunk of information claimed here. That, and you'd know the different role-types left after some deriving.

I'd like to think it would be more useful if everybody claimed what they saw me as in their dreams and I checked it against the list in secret, than for everybody to check it against the list in public.

...And why didn't you answer my question >_> Ok, it was worded badly, but it was technically a question.
here, reiterated in this post: How do I know you're telling the truth?

I guess you don't for certain. It's not something you're required to believe if for some reason you choose not to.

Everyone: Views on why dress color is...so important here. I may be bringing up an old can of whatever metaphor it was about bringing up something old, but I'm curious.

I don't think it is.

Jin: So...anything you'd like to share with us? Know that while my claim on my dream-meeting may be a generalism, it's the truth in a certain special way.

No, not really.

I'm not sure what you're asking or what you're getting at. If you're asking if I know what form I appeared to you as based on the limited amount of clues you have provided, the answer is, yes, I believe I do.

Winged ghost-prince, right?

Why did I appear to you as a winged ghost-prince? You weren't one of the princesses who was around when the Prince's elder brother was slain, were you?

How could it be a big waste of time? Now that I got my thoughts oriented, I can't see how this is any waste of time at all.

There's always the chance that flavor explorations yield no fruit.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #469 on: September 05, 2013, 04:21:38 am »

Winged ghost-prince, right?
Tiruin nods and smiles, uncrossing her arms.

"In a way, yes. Now I find I can believe you."

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Why did I appear to you as a winged ghost-prince? You weren't one of the princesses who was around when the Prince's elder brother was slain, were you?
Nope on the second along with a stamp of curiosity. 'I've no idea' on the first but I'm guessing it's focusing on my desire--my ability.

..And wasn't the elder brother slain in the BM? Regardless, no. I wasn't around anywhere overseas or on or near that voyage the elder brother was on.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #470 on: September 05, 2013, 04:26:47 am »

Blargh post button.




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I'd like to think it would be more useful if everybody claimed what they saw me as in their dreams and I checked it against the list in secret, than for everybody to check it against the list in public.
...Makes more sense now that I think of it. But you could still be lying. :I

Anyway, why'd you choose to give yon message now of all times? And the explicit wording of you standing with the Prince? There was what my suspicion also drew upon--maybe showcasing your desire instead.

..Which in context declaims itself now that I see your honesty there.
"However I'll ask you one question."
I went to sleep. Then using my magic dream powers I reached out to everybody and appeared to them as a bunch of different forms. I gave the message that I stand with the Prince. The different forms were amusing to me and I found everybody charming in their own, special ways, even the ones who had taken poor paths. Then I woke up feeling great about myself.

This is the extent of my flavor and all the detail I got. The list of forms I appeared as came after the flavor text of my PM.

If you're going to ask about who had taken poor paths, I already did. Vector tells me that I do not know.
Paths? People took..paths? As in, you manifested as their intent, or was it something else?

What was your intent in your dreams aside from the message--what did you want us to think you were?

..I'm really confused on that 'poor paths' note there. So you see those who are..unhappy?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #471 on: September 05, 2013, 10:18:37 am »

Plus, there's more to it, which I'm sure Jim knows about, but I'd rather not say.

Yeah, don't count on that. I have no idea what you're talking about.
No? Why, you'd think you would. Alright, carry on.

-sthuff-
Because as much as I enjoy lies, it'd be pretty extremely bastard-like to do that. Plus, there's more to it, which I'm sure Jim knows about, but I'd rather not say.
:I

So you [Okami] and Jim are in this together..or he knows of something about your role that you can't say yourself. Is the latter correct? What's wrong with him knowing your role?

And yes, I'm doing job stuff. Which I might finally have now! Yay!
*high-five*
Haha, no, not quite. If anything, I was very much opposed to him, but his action last Night just seems incredibly overpowered to give to scum. Though, I guess I just assume that. Meh.

I'm assuming Jim could easily parse my role, but I'd rather no one else knew it yet.

Also, phone interview appears to have gone well! Hopefully, the in-person one goes wonderfully!
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #472 on: September 05, 2013, 06:14:34 pm »

Tiruin:

TWS/Griffinpup
Vector: If town were caught in an unwinnable situation, would the game be over immediately?
Strange of you to ask this when the town wincondition is 'when all threats to the Prince are gone'. While I'm unsure if this matches with scum overpowering town in the base mafia mechanics, this strikes me pretty...strange.

What made you think of that blatant question TWS? What caused you to ask such?
The scum wincon was to have everyone else dead, not to equal/outnumber the town. My question was to see whether town would lose if there were more Black Swan Cohort members than town members. I suppose a more specific question wouldn't hurt, though.

Vector: If the Black Swan Cohort equaled/outnumbered the town, would the game be over?

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Afterwards, could I ask of you your reads-along with how you view Jim, Leafsnail and Webadict?
I suppose you could. They won't be detailed reads now, though, since I'm again low on time.

Jim is probably town because of his ability. I sort of see what Webadict was saying d1 though.

Leafsnail is pretty null to me; I haven't seen much out of the ordinary from him.

Webadict is slightly suspicious. My Jim-flavour had absolutely nothing to do with my role, so I'm a bit suspicious about Webadict saying his did.Did anyone else's Jim-flavour reveal their role? I feel like Web could be covering up some suspicious flavour.

Jim: Was your ability to send any message you wanted, or to confirm that you stood by the prince? (Sorry if you've said it already, my computer is really slow and I don't want to trawl)

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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #473 on: September 05, 2013, 06:31:55 pm »

My Jim-flavour had absolutely nothing to do with my role, so I'm a bit suspicious about Webadict saying his did.Did anyone else's Jim-flavour reveal their role? I feel like Web could be covering up some suspicious flavour.
I'm pretty sure he knows who I am now, if he reads back.

"But..I don't see how it reveals his role--I mean sure, the figure he took on was tangible enough to cause me to be..someone scared/confused/listening-ish..like how you'd approach someone trying to tell you something (that I missed on first read).

But I didn't see his face and/or expression. That, and he broke the laws of physics, mostly by being a spirit-type translucent person who I couldn't discern the face of. Judging from what I know of..ghosts, it fits perfectly...So yeah."
I mean, really. Vector got the perspective so perfect that I skipped it.

...

TWS/Griffinpup
Vector: If town were caught in an unwinnable situation, would the game be over immediately?
Strange of you to ask this when the town wincondition is 'when all threats to the Prince are gone'. While I'm unsure if this matches with scum overpowering town in the base mafia mechanics, this strikes me pretty...strange.

What made you think of that blatant question TWS? What caused you to ask such?
The scum wincon was to have everyone else dead, not to equal/outnumber the town. My question was to see whether town would lose if there were more Black Swan Cohort members than town members. I suppose a more specific question wouldn't hurt, though.

Vector: If the Black Swan Cohort equaled/outnumbered the town, would the game be over?
You do know that a majority vote is a factor, right? Oh, and it would end up in a hilarious 'I VOTE YOU' ending if that's the case, hence my assumption back there.

...Though, fine. I'm interested in that question to Vector too.

But I ask, why are you still so interested in that--like, in those specifics? Do you have something to share on that matter?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #474 on: September 05, 2013, 08:37:05 pm »

Jim came to me as an dancer who took the lead.

Ugh. The biggest reason I think its LS is because he was actively shutting down discussion.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128261.msg4543247#msg4543247
There was no discussion to shut down.
Not deflection, that's me trying to relate on ZU's behalf because of certain things I recall with him:
a. We're in college, and stuff like this is stressful so I'd want to know how the player feels as opposed to how his playstyle is reacting.
b. It's also comparative in a way, I'm giving one conclusion I could think of that would be feasible to you, and wondering how you'd respond.
c. The opinion rested until he posted.
d. Backtracing any related notes to the Goddess and stuff on that matter. Like what Soli said. But darn what Soli said because it's still vague. Less vague, but still vague.
You can still give an opinion, though, even if the opinion is "null".  I don't get why you're deferring judgment on him alone while also defending him like this.

I don't care about LS' accusation because I'm being defeatist and lazy.
Okay.

Not deflection, that's me trying to relate on ZU's behalf because of certain things I recall with him:
a. We're in college, and stuff like this is stressful so I'd want to know how the player feels as opposed to how his playstyle is reacting.
b. It's also comparative in a way, I'm giving one conclusion I could think of that would be feasible to you, and wondering how you'd respond.
c. The opinion rested until he posted.
d. Backtracing any related notes to the Goddess and stuff on that matter. Like what Soli said. But darn what Soli said because it's still vague. Less vague, but still vague.
You can still give an opinion, though, even if the opinion is "null".  I don't get why you're deferring judgment on him alone while also defending him like this.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #475 on: September 05, 2013, 09:07:13 pm »

You can still give an opinion, though, even if the opinion is "null".  I don't get why you're deferring judgment on him alone while also defending him like this.
It's pretty hard giving an opinion when the person I'm giving it on is lacking--that's what I'm referring to by my statements there, and the list I gave were things I thought was happening to him..and mixed with reasoning.

But defending? Why are you so keen to use that term when it's not [...to me, but it generally doesn't even look like it from an observer viewpoint], unless you see it in a different way.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #476 on: September 05, 2013, 09:40:42 pm »

Vector: If the Black Swan Cohort equaled/outnumbered the town, would the game be over?

That's basically rolefishing, so I'm not answering that question.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #477 on: September 05, 2013, 09:50:01 pm »

Jim is probably town because of his ability. I sort of see what Webadict was saying d1 though.
What was your general understanding of what I was saying D1?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #478 on: September 05, 2013, 09:54:00 pm »

Webadict:
How do you know he is town? What makes you think that your dreams speak the truth (What I'm asking here is how do you find his action--did it influence you perfectly to say he's town, or is there a meta-role reason? On that note, is it purely on the latter or is there something else?)
Because as much as I enjoy lies, it'd be pretty extremely bastard-like to do that. Plus, there's more to it, which I'm sure Jim knows about, but I'd rather not say.
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Ahem.

(No, I'm not saying this makes him scum.  I'm just mostly taking it as null.)


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In any case, Jim appeared to me as a flower.  My flavor doesn't mention any goddess, or the Bleeding Nine.


Jim:  Did Vector say how many had taken poor paths?

Did you intentionally use the ability or did it automatically fire off N2?  Why use it then, if a choice?  Also, could you choose the message/targets?  (Blah Tiruin asked a lot of this)  (And TWS too dammit)

Tiruin:  What makes you think the Goddess is a player?


TWS:  I saw some correlation in Jim's flavor to my own flavor, and I can understand why Jim appeared to me the way she did.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #479 on: September 05, 2013, 10:51:00 pm »

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