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[Jim Groovester]

Are you sure you don't know what everybody is talking about?

Hint: It involves your night PM flavor. And me.

It would be interesting to see if somebody doesn't know what we're talking about.

How many people did you hit with that?

A lot.

Leaf and Jim: which of you has a double-strength vote?

Not me.

[zombie urist]

I've never been good at reading between the lines and it would be nice if someone could tell me what's the significance behind the thingy and why we're being secretive. 

[Jim Groovester]

Because if somebody didn't get the *wink wink nudge nudge* it could be significant somehow. So blabbing about it might not be the greatest idea, especially if its significance is alignment related.

Or it could be a great big waste of time. There's a pretty good chance of that happening, actually.

[Tiruin]

Are you sure you don't know what everybody is talking about?

Hint: It involves your night PM flavor. And me.

..Well, I was asleep and dreaming, so no.

Because if somebody didn't get the *wink wink nudge nudge* it could be significant somehow. So blabbing about it might not be the greatest idea, especially if its significance is alignment related.

Or it could be a great big waste of time. There's a pretty good chance of that happening, actually.

"...This isn't innuendo, is it?"

But really, I'm falling on the 'this may be a great red herring' if it's that significant--I...didn't sense anything out of the ordinary but my dream. Oh, and before anyone claims the alignment blah blah, I doubt it given my alignment. No, not a third-party.

I've never been good at reading between the lines and it would be nice if someone could tell me what's the significance behind the thingy and why we're being secretive. 

"I think it's about the Prince's mustache..."

...All I got was that Jim did something and Webadict hates his guts--I attributed it to the NK and then wondered why Jim would claim that..and then others also pitched in so I am now stumped.

Because unless this is some watcher extraveganza or Miss Jin has found something of great importance, then I've nothing on that front but my own thoughts.

ANYWAY: Will be posting my finds on the flavor, and what we're missing. Note that Ottofar didn't have a vote D2.

[webadict]

I don't hate Jim's guts. There's just no point in lynching Jim now.

[Vector]

There have been no voting shenanigans thus far, other than that the modkill, replacement, and hammer happened kind of simultaneously.  No big secret.  Confusing, perhaps, but all the voting mechanics have been open.

I very slightly fudged 51% since we were at 50 and there were two replacement requests with an about-to-happen-anyway modkill.  I'm not sure if this was wrong of me, but it . . . made sense, I thought.

[Solifuge]

((I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bummed about it, but I've got no hard feelings.

P.S. Bah!))

[Vector]

VOTE COUNT

Webadict
Leafsnail - zombieurist
Tiruin
Lenglon
TheWetSheep
zombieurist
Jim Groovestar
Toaster

Not voting: Webadict, Tiruin, Lenglon, TheWetSheep, Jim Groovestar, Toaster

((I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bummed about it, but I've got no hard feelings.

P.S. Bah!))

Yeah.  I'm not going to make some sort of big stand for myself here, but I'll say only that I'm learning a lot about modding and the next game is not going to be like this.  All the lessons are being learned.  All of them.

A couple of them, like to think harder when you're stealing someone else's OP and that this is not a game that likes fudge factors

[Leafsnail]

I think zombie urist is a mafia member.  He's being ridiculously passive, I don't think he's even called anyone scum all game.

It would be interesting to see if somebody doesn't know what we're talking about.

Are we talking about last night's homosexual tension?

Leaf and Jim: which of you has a double-strength vote?

Me.

There's no "if you outnumber town" or "if failure is no longer possible", like there normally is. This makes me think the Cohort might not have a kill at all, which makes sense with #1.

I disagree.  If the mafia needs everyone dead that implies that they do have some kind of kill, because otherwise the game would be stuck at a draw if it was one mafia member vs one townie, and that would be stupid.  It does seem like the mafia kill is missing though, maybe they only get it if they have one player left or something.

Nothing really but when Toaster asked LS said no.

I answered Toaster's question honestly.

[Jim Groovester]

Are you sure you don't know what everybody is talking about?

Hint: It involves your night PM flavor. And me.

..Well, I was asleep and dreaming, so no.

That's precisely what I'm talking about.

Everybody should have gotten a message from me in their dreams last night.

It would be interesting to see if somebody doesn't know what we're talking about.

Are we talking about last night's homosexual tension?

That depends on whether last night's homosexual tension occurred in a dream, and was accompanied by a message from me.

In which case, yes. If not, then no.




Anyways, moving on, I think Leafsnail is scum. So if we look back to the Day 2 votes on Solifuge, we see that most everybody wanted him to show up and explain himself. Leafsnail is the odd man out in that he was certain Solifuge was scum.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Leafsnail:  Who do you suspect and why?

Solifuge is clearly a mafia member.  There were multiple obvious problems with what webadict was doing yesterday, but he dismissed them all with no reasoning at all and attempted to tie the vote.  Even if you accept his lack of logic there, he doesn't provide even an assertion to the effect seemed town (which is something he would have to think if he was prepared to waste the day one lynch in order to save him).

In other words his hope was to waste the day one lynch, hope webadict got lynched on the next day anyway and then get towncred for defending a townie.

The certainty strikes me as scummy because even before we hear from Solifuge, Leafsnail is already condemning him. Considering Solifuge's choice of NK target, Solifuge being a vigilante isn't out of the question, yet Leafsnail is either unaware of or ignores this possibility.

Leafsnail's explanation of Solifuge's D1 actions is also kind of ridiculous, but this is more a secondary point.

I was going to point this out on D2 if Solifuge ever showed up and his explanation satisfied me, but then stop hammertime.

Nothing really but when Toaster asked LS said no.

I answered Toaster's question honestly.

NQT, Solifuge, Leafsnail, Jim, Zombie U:  Do any of you have anything vote related you'd like to claim?

No.  Why do you care?

Yeah, you answered honestly, if you're splitting hairs.

[Leafsnail]

I didn't condemn Solifuge for being tracked to a kill.  I condemned him because he attempted to tie up the vote at the end of the day for an absolutely terrible reason.  I don't see why I'm meant to be scummy for being to one to commit to a case rather than just sitting back and putting "pressure" on Solifuge.

I was going to point this out on D2 if Solifuge ever showed up and his explanation satisfied me, but then stop hammertime.

What?  Why not say it, like, when you saw it?  Rather than waiting until you lynched one person before moving on to the next.

Same goes for "I thought it was a vigkill but I decided to pile a fifth vote on him anyway".

Yeah, you answered honestly, if you're splitting hairs.

I gave a straight answer: no, I will not reveal my role if there's no benefit to be gained by doing so.  I would've claimed if he'd given me a valid reason why he wanted to know who the double-voter was, but he didn't.

[Lenglon]

"Hey wait, Lady Leafsnail, you... you just said that the only time you'd tell us this stuff was if there was a valid reason. but... well, I didn't give a reason at all when I asked about it. I simply pointed out that if we had a double-voter, rather than someone with no vote, then it had to be either you or Jim. Why did you answer my question? I mean, I get not wanting to lie, but it's not hard at all to simply say that you don't want to answer the question. I mean, you've done that in the past, right? refused to answer questions that you thought we didn't need the answer too? This... this seems like a break in behavior to me."

I gave a straight answer: no, I will not reveal my role if there's no benefit to be gained by doing so.  I would've claimed if he'd given me a valid reason why he wanted to know who the double-voter was, but he didn't.

Leafsnail: What was the valid reason I wanted to know who the double-voter was? What benefit was gained by doing so?

[Leafsnail]

Leafsnail: What was the valid reason I wanted to know who the double-voter was?

You didn't provide one.  Although really I think you're the one who should be answering this question!

What benefit was gained by doing so?

None.  However, answering truthfully would be less harmful than the other options, which would be:
1. Lying - a bad thing to do as town since it causes mislynches later
2. Refusing to answer - it would be taken as an admission of guilt, particularly since Jim issued a denial, and probably cause a mislynch due to evasiveness
3. Ignoring the queston - again, would likely cause a mislynch due to evasiveness

[Leafsnail]

What?  Why not say it, like, when you saw it?  Rather than waiting until you lynched one person before moving on to the next.

Actually, scratch that.  You didn't just not post about my case, you actively agreed with part of it.

Solifuge hasn't posted in spite of a serious accusation being made against him.  We should just lynch him really.  Not sure if there's much point in bickering about other shit at this point.

I'm kind of in favor of this even if he does show up.

Because he's just going to disappear again.

Remember how he totally said he needed Day 2 to roll around before he could do some really serious scumhunting?

Yeah, funny that.

So yeah, why are you now pretending to have opposed the Solifuge lynch?

[Lenglon]

"Um, if you really thought that, why didn't you simply say 'I don't want to answer until you tell me why you're asking.'? I mean, I mostly was just going on the general principle of sharing information and satisfying my curiosity, but you usually are willing to question people if you don't like their questions, right? You just said you didn't like my question, why didn't you ask me about it when I made it?"
Leaf:Why didn't you pair a refusal to answer with a question to me about why I'm asking in the first place?