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[Tiruin]

PFP

Then I woke up as the avatar of the Goddess of Order, filled with a sense of purpose to preserve, maintain, and enforce order. Beginning with this situation, that has long since spiraled completely out of control. According to my flavor, this will only happen when the elements in this group primarily responsible for causing this chaos are eliminated.

Whatnow? Who were they? I see plural.

The threats to the Prince.

Ok, I may be confusing stuff. I linked the bolded portion to the purple portion as I can't see where the bolded portion..connects to, hence my question.

Now for the big question. What kinds of threats exist? Threats to his perceived heir, maybe? We all know the Prince lives afterwards.
..Come to think of it, I'm..guessing that the town wincon is for them to survive and beat any threat out? It's pretty confusing given this situation, and the fact that the Prince is alive.

Past flavor doesn't show anything in regard to that. Spoilage of food, uncertain if wealth is stolen..perhaps a threat to the Prince's reputation? Or his..sanity? He can't perfectly know if those in the cohort are all gon-

..If we take everything in context and think out of the box-how many even know how many threats exist in game? I heard that we only gathered that the threats mentioned in OP was due to general terms 'smart, kind, bold...' people. We don't even know who did what (I did get info that these are..rumors >_> is all)...And the only fact I believe is that there would be flavor evidence that after lynching the last 2 there would be peace.

Seems like a long shot, but that's the only solution there is that I can see. Aaaand I managed to mess up this formatting even more. What do you think about it, Jim? You've got a very interesting role. And..as someone upholding order, you must have some more distinct thoughts on it.

On that note: Webadict: The forces of Good should conspire together. If you were on that force, what would you've done in the face of a roleclaim?

Jim: What did TWS do last night?

He did nothing.

And his reason?

Jim: Did you examine the kitchen before this day start?

No.

...Can you try examining it? Or rather, you started in a kitchen and didn't know of anything beforehand?

Also of note: We can try basically anything in this scenario, but anything doesn't directly equal a piece of the puzzle. I had to ask Vector that. Woo~

On another note: what's new, Jim? Claim?

[webadict]

On that note: Webadict: The forces of Good should conspire together. If you were on that force, what would you've done in the face of a roleclaim?

Number one, you're a duck. I never got any information from this, but it's the only remaining role, and since you can't claim, I'm assuming there's some odd spell or whatever on you. Quack quack, turn back. Maybe you can't say you're a duck or you'll turn back into one because you actually wanted to be a real bo...girl. I don't know.

Number two, that's a lot of conjunctives and conditionals. Unless there's a different side of Good than the Town I don't know about, I have no deviation on my roleclaiming... because, you know, I'm Town. Am I missing something?

[Tiruin]

On that note: Webadict: The forces of Good should conspire together. If you were on that force, what would you've done in the face of a roleclaim?

Number one, you're a duck. I never got any information from this, but it's the only remaining role, and since you can't claim, I'm assuming there's some odd spell or whatever on you. Quack quack, turn back. Maybe you can't say you're a duck or you'll turn back into one because you actually wanted to be a real bo...girl. I don't know.

Tell that to the flower girls and no I was pointing on Jim regarding that matter--the one where he said Griffion's search, and then pointed at me. You were right in guessing what I was trying to say back then when I said the precluding context on my ability however.

Why're you answering this even when it wasn't asked in the first place?

Number two, that's a lot of conjunctives and conditionals. Unless there's a different side of Good than the Town I don't know about, I have no deviation on my roleclaiming... because, you know, I'm Town. Am I missing something?

Well, there are worse contenders (I be looking at you, Leafsnail who can't format well :I) but the reasoning stands. Jim saw someone distract someone, and afterwards the latter someone die because someone else visited.

Unless funny stuff happened, Toaster used an ability to switch people visiting him, to people visiting TWS and vice versa.

..However, the action order says otherwise.

    Copy
    Hide
    Bus
    Block
    Redirect
    Misc. Misdirect
    Protect
    Inspect
    Miscellaneous
    Kill
    Recruit
    Resurrect

...Vector: What is 'Bus' here meaning? Blocks go before redirects..
Toaster Were you connected to TWS in any way?

[Leafsnail]

I guess it seemed like an obvious role for me. Someone who dances would dance with someone at Night. Is that not obvious to you?

Right, you mean obvious to the people you'd already targetted, fair enough.

No? Am I supposed to?

I guess it's possible that this doesn't apply to you, but I didn't merely lose my power.  I'm now so depressed that my vote counts for -1 (this isn't too different from normal voting other than the fact that I'll have to watch for scum votejumping).  Considering that we are both cursed in a similar manner I thought you'd have a "worse than vanilla" role now too.

webadict, Leafsnail, TheWetSheep wants to know whether you lost your powers on his death. I'll be more general and ask what happened to you because of his death.

I heard the music stop, and then screaming.  I tried to get up, but found I am now clumsy again due to my iron shoes.  I seemed to then have something of an epiphany:
- I realized that more than anything else I wanted to see my feet, to see if they're doing ok
- That my lover attached these shoes to my feet to teach me a lesson about being overly secretive, rather than just for cheating
- That these two things were analogous and this is meant to be a lesson for me
- I then had an analogous worry about whether I would ever see that lover again, and how she was doing

This seemed vaguely thematically important but I'm not sure of the meaning.  Anyway, the upshot is that I'm broody now and my vote counts for -1.

Leafsnail, how come you didn't claim being blocked when you claimed your N2 flavor?

Nothing about my N2 flavour suggested that I had been blocked, probably due to the fact that I have no night action.  It's possible that the dancing theme in my dream was due to webadict, though.

[Leafsnail]

I'm almost entirely sure webadict is scum.  For his claim to be true there'd have to be a mafia redirector (the second redirector in this game, but a mechanically different one) who for some reason didn't act on nights one or two, but decided to redirect webadict to the mafiakill target on night three.  I think what actually happened is that webadict blocked TWS to make sure that he didn't use his "block all nightkills" ability.

I also find Toaster's claimed role highly suspect.  I have two reasons, in addition to the oddity of Gday apparently not receiving a rose:
1. His choice of targets.  I don't really buy his "dumb town" read on Gday at all.  I also don't see any evidence that he thought webadict was town, making his double-targetting of him odd.  Further, on night three webadict hadn't claimed, while TWS had claimed a one-shot.  Why would Toaster target someone blindly rather than actually restore a 1-shot ability?

His choice of targets is also highly convenient - once on a guy who died and would be unable to comment, twice on someone who's probably a mafia member.
2. His actual role.  There appear to be only three players with one-shots in the entire game.  It seems bizarre that Vector would give someone a role that only works on a quarter of the other players in a game.

I think Toaster's claimed role is entirely fabricated, and he actually made the kill last night.

Jim: Can you still post in/read the deadchat?

[Jim Groovester]

And his reason?

He wanted more information about the nightkill. He also thought I'd be back from the dead and he wanted to save his power to protect me when I got back.

Jim: Did you examine the kitchen before this day start?

No.

...Can you try examining it? Or rather, you started in a kitchen and didn't know of anything beforehand?

You are in the kitchen. Exits are to the north and east.

> EXAMINE KITCHEN

It's a kitchen.

> _

What do you think about it, Jim?

Can you tell me what specific parts of your rambling you want me to address?

On another note: what's new, Jim? Claim?

What are you talking about?

I swear, half this game is me answering your questions and the other half is me not knowing what the hell you're talking about at any given moment.

Jim: Can you still post in/read the deadchat?

Yes.

Leafsnail, how come you didn't claim being blocked when you claimed your N2 flavor?

Nothing about my N2 flavour suggested that I had been blocked, probably due to the fact that I have no night action.  It's possible that the dancing theme in my dream was due to webadict, though.

What about TheWetSheep claiming one of the girls who visited him distracted him, even though he didn't use his action?

This seems like inconsistent operation of wubadub's power. Or he's lying.

If your vote counted positively who would you vote with it?

wobbledobble, you didn't answer my question:

webadict, Leafsnail, TheWetSheep wants to know whether you lost your powers on his death. I'll be more general and ask what happened to you because of his death.

Toaster, Lenglon, TheWetSheep requests you confirm that you have a private chat.

[Toaster]

I haven't had the time to sit down and look at this, but yes, Lenglon and I got a chat D3.  We've barely touched it.


Also I have no connection with TWS.

[webadict]

On that note: Webadict: The forces of Good should conspire together. If you were on that force, what would you've done in the face of a roleclaim?

Number one, you're a duck. I never got any information from this, but it's the only remaining role, and since you can't claim, I'm assuming there's some odd spell or whatever on you. Quack quack, turn back. Maybe you can't say you're a duck or you'll turn back into one because you actually wanted to be a real bo...girl. I don't know.

Tell that to the flower girls and no I was pointing on Jim regarding that matter--the one where he said Griffion's search, and then pointed at me. You were right in guessing what I was trying to say back then when I said the precluding context on my ability however.

Why're you answering this even when it wasn't asked in the first place?

Number two, that's a lot of conjunctives and conditionals. Unless there's a different side of Good than the Town I don't know about, I have no deviation on my roleclaiming... because, you know, I'm Town. Am I missing something?

Well, there are worse contenders (I be looking at you, Leafsnail who can't format well :I) but the reasoning stands. Jim saw someone distract someone, and afterwards the latter someone die because someone else visited.

Unless funny stuff happened, Toaster used an ability to switch people visiting him, to people visiting TWS and vice versa.

..However, the action order says otherwise.

    Copy
    Hide
    Bus
    Block
    Redirect
    Misc. Misdirect
    Protect
    Inspect
    Miscellaneous
    Kill
    Recruit
    Resurrect

...Vector: What is 'Bus' here meaning? Blocks go before redirects..
Toaster Were you connected to TWS in any way?

You said that one of Jim and I had your role information. Given that I was never given any via PM and the way you had phrased the statement, I can either assume that Jim had gotten the PM or you are a duck and can't admit it, since that was my information on the role.

The point is, you're a duck. You said you can't lie about your role, and you haven't said you aren't a duck.

Bus is the switching of two targets, so that all actions are switched on their owners.

But, that definitely didn't happen, because I wouldn't've gotten the name of Sheep. I would've been told it was Toaster. Because I targeted Toaster.

I'm almost entirely sure webadict is scum.  For his claim to be true there'd have to be a mafia redirector (the second redirector in this game, but a mechanically different one) who for some reason didn't act on nights one or two, but decided to redirect webadict to the mafiakill target on night three.  I think what actually happened is that webadict blocked TWS to make sure that he didn't use his "block all nightkills" ability.

I also find Toaster's claimed role highly suspect.  I have two reasons, in addition to the oddity of Gday apparently not receiving a rose:
1. His choice of targets.  I don't really buy his "dumb town" read on Gday at all.  I also don't see any evidence that he thought webadict was town, making his double-targetting of him odd.  Further, on night three webadict hadn't claimed, while TWS had claimed a one-shot.  Why would Toaster target someone blindly rather than actually restore a 1-shot ability?

His choice of targets is also highly convenient - once on a guy who died and would be unable to comment, twice on someone who's probably a mafia member.
2. His actual role.  There appear to be only three players with one-shots in the entire game.  It seems bizarre that Vector would give someone a role that only works on a quarter of the other players in a game.

I think Toaster's claimed role is entirely fabricated, and he actually made the kill last night.

Jim: Can you still post in/read the deadchat?

What. No, in order for what happened to be correct, there'd have to be a Mafia Bus Driver, and/or Vector would've needed to give the wrong names. I'm 100% sure Vector screwed up, though, because no matter what, I shouldn't've been given the wrong names.



And Jim, I already answered the question.

I dunno, man, with that attitude...

Today's going to be short, I see.

lol, I'm so willing to do that, but it wouldn't really be constructive. Alright, alright, you win. I'm a roleblocker. I dance the night away. Night 1, I blocked Jim, N2 Leafsnail, N3 Toaster, but the reply said TheWetSheep, so I don't really know.

Unfortunately, last Night I lost my powers, so now I can't dance.

I'm incredibly tired from all my dancing, so I don't have a block anymore.

[Tiruin]

Extend - tired, PFP, and feeling broken.

[Leafsnail]

What about TheWetSheep claiming one of the girls who visited him distracted him, even though he didn't use his action?

This seems like inconsistent operation of wubadub's power. Or he's lying.

If your vote counted positively who would you vote with it?

It may be that the dream you gave me confused my perception of what was happening that night.  Or that the "distraction" flavour kicked in due to the fact that there was a reason for him to be distracted (ie he was being killed).

I would vote webadict.

Also, can you ask TWS if the distracting girl did any dancing?

What. No, in order for what happened to be correct, there'd have to be a Mafia Bus Driver, and/or Vector would've needed to give the wrong names. I'm 100% sure Vector screwed up, though, because no matter what, I shouldn't've been given the wrong names.

You've contacted her, right?  Because considering Lenglon is claiming to have tracked you to TWS and Jim is saying TWS saw someone distracting him it would have to be a collosal fuckup from Vector for this to be true, or some kind of bizarre mafia conspiracy where they predicted a mod error.

[Tiruin]

Jim: What did NQT do on the day[night] he died?

[Toaster]

webadict I <-> Ottofar
zombie urist -> Jim Groovester <- Solifuge
Griffionday -> Tiruin
Toaster -> NQT <- Lenglon
Leafsnail -> TWS <- webadict II

Updated again.  I'm not sure this is actually useful.


Tiruin:

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Tiruin:

Leafsnail..ok this is darn weird. You're a double-voter who...what was your view on ZU especially since he was a protector.

Same goes for Toaster.

My gut told me he was scum.  I didn't have a logic-based target to go with instead, so gut won out.

Toaster
Your gut should have a reason. What is your assumption back then?
..And really. No logic?
Since that time? Like, D3?!

Yeeeep.  I intended to go back and study him on a logical basis, but frankly I got slack about it, and that week was really busy IRL.

Are you, in anyway connected to Leafsnail?

..Because it would be pretty weird connecting..err 'THAT' to resetting an action.
...
Oh dear gods my mind >_<

Oh no, I just give them a rose to... make them more likely to reproduce.  I don't actually do anything physically exciting to them.  And no, no connection to Leafsnail.

Toaster[/b] Were you connected to TWS in any way?

Also no. 

Almost all the flavor mentions of a player in my PMs are mechanical.  Role PM didn't mention other players at all.  N1 mentioned Griff (targeted) and Web1 (me suggesting to Horatio that we put her in the rose garden).  N2 mentioned Web (target) and Jim (dream).  N3 I got another reference to the recently lynched (ZU, flavor comment on death) and Wuba again (target again.)  That's it.

Also, no, I don't have any redirection ability at all.  Just the ability reset.


Web:

What. No, in order for what happened to be correct, there'd have to be a Mafia Bus Driver, and/or Vector would've needed to give the wrong names. I'm 100% sure Vector screwed up, though, because no matter what, I shouldn't've been given the wrong names.

You've contacted her, right?  Because considering Lenglon is claiming to have tracked you to TWS and Jim is saying TWS saw someone distracting him it would have to be a collosal fuckup from Vector for this to be true, or some kind of bizarre mafia conspiracy where they predicted a mod error.

I would like to know the answer to this question as well.

[Jim Groovester]

Jim: What did NQT do on the day[night] he died?

I included it in the matrix of role claims I threw up a little while ago. NQT redirected ZU to griffinpup on N1, and Jim Groovester to Leafsnail on N2.

Also, can you ask TWS if the distracting girl did any dancing?

TWS says there's no mention in the flavor of how the girl did the distracting.

Anyways, I think our scum are Toaster and webadict. Toaster's claim has some holes, webadict's claim has a lot of holes.

Lenglon and Tiruin, we need to be unanimous in a decision because if we're not last minute vote shenanigans can screw us over. I vote webadict since there's more evidence against him (Vector made a mistake yeah right) than Toaster.

[Lenglon]

"I... I think...
I think Web has to be one of the killers.
I think she was trapped, and felt like she had little to no choice left, when she found out I had chosen to follow her last night. and so she admitted she was the one who distracted Sheep.
I'm a little confused still, because I don't understand why she claimed to have been targeting Toaster. I... I can't figure out her agenda.
But I don't have much else to go on.

Yesterday she was insisted on hiding what she could do, and I still don't understand why.
Last night she distracted the only person who could have prevented the nightkill.
and today, particularly damning, she said nothing at all about another person visiting sheep with her, or finding sheep's body, or anything at all about her visit beyond the fact that it happened, something that we already knew.
If she was really with us, I'm sure she'd have more to share.

I'm pretty sure she has to have been in on it. or at least a part of it.
Still...

I still don't understand what her plan was, and I'm still worried. If she is telling the truth, and she was simply redirected last night, then...
are we making a mistake here? I don't have a feel for who her partner might have been.

um, Lady Jim, I think Lady Web is probably guilty here, but I'm not sure if we should wait another night or not.
I mean, horrible as it may sound, if we...
if we let them remove one more of us, then we'll be less likely to mess up and risk giving them free reign.
but still...
I...
I don't know what to do"
Jim: I think Web is scum, and am currently voting her.
Web: why did you refuse to claim yesterday?
Web: why have you not claimed any flavor from last night?
Web: why did you plan to block Toaster?
Jim: It is MYLO. Should we lynch at MYLO?

[Jim Groovester]

It would be milo if everybody had full strength votes, which is not the case. Delaying is a dangerous move in this case.

And we already have a pretty good idea of who the scumteam is. No real need to wait around when that's the case.