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misko27

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Re: Dissent in the United States
« Reply #90 on: July 09, 2013, 04:44:19 pm »

    See, I agree partially with this. I think it IS media moguls trying to serve their best interests, but only to a point. I don't think they intend to make the populace ignorant, but to make more money.
    They correlate.

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    They MAY be taking advantage of our self-imposed ignorance, but they're not trying to lull us into some false-sense of security or anything. They're taking advantage of the current situation, and this is by catering to what we want, plain and simple.
    And encouraging everyone to be ignorant.

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    I really wonder which came first, the ignorance or the decline to ignorance. Jershey shore is on its sixth season.

    And if you doubt how owned all American media is, you are in for a ride that never ends - welcome to Mr. Bones wild land of the free.


    We can all point fingers all we want, but you can't get someone more interested in something important by yelling at them that they should, because it's important. It's like telling a kid to do his homework because it's important, if he already doesn't give a shit telling him to do it won't make him give any more of a shit.
    There is no hope for these people. Anything outside of the realm of belief is impossible, everything outside of their visible horizons are irrelevant. Such is what is born from a culture where ignorance is prized. There are of such great amount of things to blame, it isn't quite worth the effort to try to do so.

    How I see it, the only way to renew people's interest in politics (Outside of wars, economic depression, and other simple alternatives) is to simply get involved yourself. It sounds cheesy, but it's true.
    Welcome back to partisanship and controlled opposition.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #91 on: July 09, 2013, 05:21:56 pm »

    Wait people still use American new sources? BBC is the way to go they even got better TV.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #92 on: July 09, 2013, 06:17:29 pm »

    So you now can't file lawsuits against drug corporations anymore as long as the FDA approves. Hope you didn't need your skin anyways. How's that dissent working out?

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    « Reply #93 on: July 09, 2013, 08:47:49 pm »

    That was breaking news in March.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #94 on: July 09, 2013, 09:59:46 pm »

    Here's a good start.

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    The amount of scholarly attention directed at resolving the question why people turn out to cast a vote is vast. In a research field dominated by empirical studies – such as the one on voter turnout – an overview of where we stand and what we know is not superfluous. Therefore, the present paper reviews and assesses the empirical evidence brought forward through a meta-analysis of 83 aggregate-level studies. We thereby concentrate on the effect of socio-economic, political and institutional variables. The results argue for the introduction of a ‘core’ model of voter turnout – including, among other elements, population size and election closeness – that can be used as a starting point for extending our knowledge on why people vote.

    EDIT: Damn, paper is behind a paywall.

    Haven't read it yet, but here you go.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #95 on: July 10, 2013, 11:39:29 am »

    That was breaking news in March.
    I can't dispute that. But nothing's changed it, it's damn well relevant.

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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #96 on: July 10, 2013, 12:08:59 pm »

    That was breaking news in March.
    I can't dispute that. But nothing's changed it, it's damn well relevant.

    I never heard about it in March, for that matter. Has this been a particularly grabbing case for the public, or is it viewed as symptomatic of a wider argument (in terms of public attention)?
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    « Reply #97 on: July 10, 2013, 12:16:46 pm »

    So you now can't file lawsuits against drug corporations anymore as long as the FDA approves. Hope you didn't need your skin anyways. How's that dissent working out?

    The article mostly says that the FDA forces the warning label. Thus how can they be culpable if they have no control over it?

    Thus it sounds like you could sue the FDA.
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    « Reply #98 on: July 10, 2013, 12:24:18 pm »

    FDA prohibits things like putting "no RGBH" labels on things unless you have a disclaimer "proving" that there is "no noticeable difference" between them. Funny. They also now permit any and all GM crops without testing.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #99 on: July 10, 2013, 12:26:44 pm »

    So you now can't file lawsuits against drug corporations anymore as long as the FDA approves. Hope you didn't need your skin anyways. How's that dissent working out?
    I buy the argument made in the case, that a generic manufacturer is required to manufacture a drug in the same way as the brand-name product is produced. That would make the brand-name owner liable, though, not erase liability entirely, and I don't see how they're getting to some of the broader conclusions.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #100 on: July 10, 2013, 01:01:32 pm »

    And then there is Monsanto.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #101 on: July 10, 2013, 01:08:19 pm »

    Almost everything you use in your household falls under 5 companies. So in the end, most is owned by the few; not just in media, but across all aspects of life. In regards to the political area, I'm not surprised that almost all media falls under few companies. If it were that everything was owned by dozens of small companies, it would be just as difficult to get involved in that industry- rather than having massive companies forcing you out, you have an essential rabid bloodbath to deal with instead. Politically, this can be seen in the case of too few political parties or too many political parties. The net result is the same- irritation with the government.

    That's called consumer staples. They have always been owned by a major group of people, as it's an acquisition industry. Not much room for small-time toilet paper and soap manufacturers on anything larger than a local level of success. Id like to mention of which there is alot. I buy my shampoo and soap from my local Granny shop. 'People are forced to use Axe/Wonka!' has nothing to do with the corporate patchjob that is the media apparatus. There's no political slogans ["Free Market capitalism is the path to prosperity" - Larry Kudlow's cult-like saying he repeats all the time, CNBC] on your Pine-sol, no hyperbole ["Obama is stealing from your children by having a deficit!" -Hannity, Faux] being spewed from your detergent which skews and distorts information.

    You're on the completely wrong path with your insinuation that Clorox/P&G is at fault for this clusterfuck, the media ownership is the actual issue:
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    Trust me. Clorox isn't a villain any more than Hershey Brands is. It's these ^ people dumbing the country down, not the staple industry. Unless you'd like to make your own toilet paper.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #102 on: July 10, 2013, 01:16:27 pm »

    Based on anecdotal and otherwise sources, how do people feel about the future?
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    « Reply #103 on: July 10, 2013, 01:18:14 pm »

    So you now can't file lawsuits against drug corporations anymore as long as the FDA approves. Hope you didn't need your skin anyways. How's that dissent working out?
    I buy the argument made in the case, that a generic manufacturer is required to manufacture a drug in the same way as the brand-name product is produced. That would make the brand-name owner liable, though, not erase liability entirely, and I don't see how they're getting to some of the broader conclusions.

    The way that is written I still don't agree with the argument.

    We KNOW that even knock off drugs (I forget the exact term) are not the same drug and have different side effects and uses.
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    Re: Dissent in the United States
    « Reply #104 on: July 10, 2013, 01:19:56 pm »

    Based on anecdotal and otherwise sources, how do people feel about the future?
    Anecdotal? Ahh, the best form of source. It is never wrong, you don't have to cite it, and your argument suddenly sounds more likely to be correct!


    Based on my Anecdotal evidence, the vast majority of the population is highly concerned with Lazasaurus Rex attacking.
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