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[Dutchling]

That's called being bisexual.

Depends on who you ask. It's not a general statement I'd be comfortable making. Choice can play a large role in attraction, after all, if not the only one. Choosing doesn't make it less true, and "bisexual" implies their homosexuality would be fake. I don't think thats a good way to look at things.

If you can choose between being a heterosexual and a homosexual I will call you a bisexual.

[LordBucket]

This is one of those threads that I kind of want to participate in...but I just don't see anyone saying anything I feel strongly enough about to offer much opinion on.

I like vanilla ice cream! Very much! Vanilla ice cream is important to me!

...ok. I'm ok with that.

That's kind of how this thread makes me feel. Maybe I don't particularly like vanilla ice cream, but I don't particularly dislike it, and it doesn't bother me that you like it. So you very strongly like vanilla ice cream...all I can really say is: "ok."

I guess...to the people who are angry about stuff being discussed here...know that there is at least one person reading who's pretty much unattached to it. And that's better than having someone disagree with you. So...peace.

[Dutchling]

Yeah, I'm mostly just following this because there aren't a lot of active discussion threads here lately so this'll have to do

[Loud Whispers]

I guess...to the people who are angry about stuff being discussed here...know that there is at least one person reading who's pretty much unattached to it. And that's better than having someone disagree with you. So...peace.

Not really no. I find that when you say something and others disagree vehemently, that's a hole damn lot more useful and better than people indifferent of even agreeing with you.

[GlyphGryph]

If you can choose between being a heterosexual and a homosexual I will call you a bisexual.

And I'm just saying, there's probably a lot of bisexuals out there that would be pretty insistent they were one or the other for whatever reason.

You see, the thing is, "preference"? Preference is seldom absolute. It's conditional. You change the circumstances, you change the preference. And most people have, at least technically, quite a bit of control over their circumstances - more than they think they do, anyways. And we're essentially talking about at least two, and probably more, degrees of not-directly-interacting desires and trying to tease "preferences" out of that. Is it really even useful to define someone by their preferences? I know of extremely "heterosexual" guys that have a LOT more homosexual sex than those who identify as bisexual guys. I know homosexuals, personally, that sleep with way more women than I do and are, in fact, probably more attracted to women in general than I am to anyone, ever, at all.

But their preference is still pretty crystal clear. Giving the option of two very similar people, but one if of their preferred gender, there would be no hesitation.

So I guess you could say that's not a choice. But if I suddenly put them in a room with only members of their preferred sex that they find incredibly unattractive, and members of their least desired sex that are incredibly attractive, they would suddenly "prefer" the opposite gender from that which they would normally. Are these folks truly bisexual? Is this a choice? Maybe it's not. Maybe they aren't bisexual.

Maybe it's just that sexuality isn't the most important or relevant component of the choice about who to have sex with.

[MorleyDev]

I guess a lot of this depends on how you break down sexuality.
Sexual attraction vs Sexual desire vs Romantic attraction vs Romantic desire vs Aesthetic attraction vs Aesthetic desire.

Attraction is seeing someone and wanting to do a thing, seeing a person and wanting to sex them, wanting to date them or just appreciating their appearance for awhile without wanting either (all of which can potentially occur due to a variety of factors, and not always just on just seeing them).

Desire is having an itch, and what properties you'd want them to scratch it. Having arousal, and wanting sexual stimulation from man, woman, either or neither. Wanting to date, and wanting that romance to be with a man or a woman, either or neither. Or just wanting to look at someone pretty for a bit, and what you find pretty.

The aesthetic is an odd thing to explain, probably because for most people it's directly there with the sexual, but I guess it's best described as seeing someone and not wanting to do anything other than just to look at them for a bit. Appreciating their appearance like a piece of art.

How one interprets sexuality as a whole, and there own, probably involves various degrees of these. Personally I define it *entirely* by sexual attraction (which is heavily tied to sexual desire, true, but still distinct), with all the others being whole other categories.

[Ogdibus]

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[MadMalkavian]

I'm indifferent to the whole LGBT community as long as what they do doesn't infringe upon my own rights or somehow inconvenience me in one way or another. Outside of that I think the whole "cis" label is unnecessary and quite frankly every time I hear or see said label it drives me to wonder if I should consider moving to another country where people don't speak English.

[Devling]

That's a little extreme.

(also other languages probably have some means of identifying 'people who identify their gender as their sex')

[penguinofhonor]

Pretty sure there are trans people in all languages, and, consequently, there's probably some way to refer to non-trans people.

That said, I'm not sure why it offends you so much. Seems like a pretty natural word to get invented.

[Loud Whispers]

That's a little extreme.

Sounds like it was a joke.

[Devling]

That's a little extreme.

Sounds like it was a joke.

Poe's law?

[Tiruin]

* Tiruin watches this thread intently.

Due to this being a PTW.

[kingfisher1112]

Pretty sure there are trans people in all languages, and, consequently, there's probably some way to refer to non-trans people.

That said, I'm not sure why it offends you so much. Seems like a pretty natural word to get invented.

Yeah, non-Trans. There's your word. You don't need the word cis for that.

[Ogdibus]

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