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[pisskop]

Enough people went and said things about this game and how it has psyche elements, so I saw a couple of pertainent endings on youtubes.

Spoiler: So to make sure I got the ultimate gist (spoilers, I presume) (click to show/hide)

  The girl is an empty shell the player controls through, a complete avatar.  The soul everyone wants is literally the player's soul, and the flower is a tool in the end.  It otherwise operates on standard 'parallel but not simultaneous timelines'

[Putnam]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It is Frisks's soul. Frisk is an independent entity. [PLAYERNAME] says it's your soul, and it is Frisk's soul you sell in the end of the genocide run. I am not sure what to make of all that.

[Aedel]

Enough people went and said things about this game and how it has psyche elements, so I saw a couple of pertainent endings on youtubes.

Spoiler: So to make sure I got the ultimate gist (spoilers, I presume) (click to show/hide)

  The girl is an empty shell the player controls through, a complete avatar.  The soul everyone wants is literally the player's soul, and the flower is a tool in the end.  It otherwise operates on standard 'parallel but not simultaneous timelines'

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Frisk is Frisk. An entirely independent person from you and the Fallen Child. Everyone wants Frisk's soul, not yours. Although you do sell YOUR soul at the end of Genocide since Frisk is kinda dead and gone at that point.

[pisskop]

Neat.

[TheBronzePickle]

The main character is not given a gender, as a note.

It's my headcanon that they have a really bad case of Schrodinger's Genitals, quantum observation effect and all.

[pisskop]

Its clearly a she I thought?  I saw they kept it ambiguous, but based on the rest of the game I gradually got the firm impression its a female by cannon.

Well, I guess the peaceful ending cleared it up more than thought.

[Putnam]

You're supposed to name the fallen child after yourself, as a note. The main character is not given a gender because the main character is whatever you want them to be.

Yeah, they're called "they" through the whole game, you may notice. Mettaton just calls everyone "gorgeous".

I named them Putnam and still thought of them as a girl for most of the game, basically until something more personally relatable came up.

[Bauglir]

I admit, I may have goofed when I named them Dongs, but on the other hand I absolutely did not.

But yeah, while they're definitely meant to be ambiguous, it's worth noting that the only articles of clothing picked up that are strongly gendered tend to the feminine - a tutu and a ribbon. On the other hand, that may be because the gendering of clothing tends to go one way these days (plenty of women's clothing, but not nearly as many articles that are thought of as inherently masculine), or it may be because the image of a dude in a tutu is supposed to be hilarious, depending on your personal degree of Liberal Progressiveness etc. And since they're just picked up off the ground, I'm surely overanalyzing, and maybe the Cowboy Hat gives them a run for their money.

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[TheBronzePickle]

Manly Bandanna.

[Bauglir]

Ah! Right! I forgot! Thank you.

[pisskop]

but the date with papyrus and the ballot shoes and the fact that the bandana was MANLY as opposed to 'biker's', 'extreme', 'macho', etc.

that gender embibment was made for a reaspn, and while yes the character is ambiguous and its clear the  designers werent excluded nonstraight options even the cooking scene w/undeath is one of platonic bonding.

it seems that, on a razor, it is female/neutral.

[Putnam]

but the date with papyrus

it seems a bit odd to assume papyrus is straight when the one drunk rabbit girl is the only unambiguously straight character in the game

and for that matter undyne the only unambiguously gay one??

huh, ain't that interesting

(the rabbit girl wants "h-h-h-hot guys" and Undyne mentions one area is "great for meeting girls")

[SeriousConcentrate]

Don't forget the other date Frisk can go on with a lesbian. Anyway, canon or not, I choose to believe both Frisk and Chara are female. It makes the True Pacifist last boss's dialogue make more sense to me. That is, that Asriel had a crush on Chara and that's why '(Chara is) the only person that's fun to play with anymore'.

[Putnam]

and alphys is unambiguously bisexual...

or maybe she just really likes people who can lift her up both literally and emotionally

also, about that reasoning for thinking of as female:

Spoiler: true pacifist (click to show/hide)

i thought of it as a brotherly thing, which is why i caught myself calling Chara male once and was like "wait what" then i thought about it and went "oh i projected my own feelings about brothers and shit onto asriel", since i had just moved away and had to deal with a game without my brother for the first time in 20 years and that combined with Asriel's dialogue there and my standard "oh game is ending " thing was making me cry, hard to get over that

[pisskop]

thats the word I wanted that I didnt know until just now!

Again, ambiguity of the game aside, examine the dino-scientist Aphlys..  The game suggests, no matter what else, that she is at the least bisexual, more likely pansexual.  Considering the crushes we know she has (from that quiz show) it once again hints at a female protagonist on a razor.

I cant remember the 4th choice, but it was Dont Know, undyne, and Player for the other three. :v

I cant remember specific male-male references, but I see several male/female, ambiguous, and female/female relationships.

Im not trying to violate the game now, but I see what I think is a pattern to the relationships in the game.

pedit: okay