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[TheBiggerFish]

PTW.

[TherosPherae]

So. This game's a thing that I played yesterday.

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So for the first part of the game, I went the semi-pacifist approach; that is, I'd beat up monsters until they wanted to go away, then let them, and didn't really get the subtleties of the ACT menu until much later because I'm kinda thick like that.

Obviously, my strategy did not work on Toriel. That ended up incredibly depressing.

The rest of the game wasn't really noteworthy, other than me killing Doggo on accident (again, not understanding the ACT button; shortly after that, I pretty much went through the rest of the game on a no-kill run.) Really good rest of the game, mind, especially that pentultimate bossfight, but not really noteworthy compared to accidentally offing your surrogate mother on a crit right after she made you pie.

Well, there was also the Cyriak flower, which was... uh, really something. It went straight through nightmare fuel and then looped back around to something halfway amusing, which probably made things have less of an impact than they were supposed to.

But according to Mr. Flower, I'm now apparently supposed to complete the game without killing anything; which I know is doable, I just can't really be arsed. Does enough stuff change on a pure pacifist run compared to a mostly-pacifist run to make it worth chugging through it again, or should I just find the wiki and read up on all the spoilers?

[Bauglir]

Yes. Yes, a lot of stuff changes. Differences mount as you approach the end. Your combat experiences will be very similar, but the story in which they're embedded will be fairly different, by my understanding.

[Trapezohedron]

To put it lightly, completion of a pure pacifist run and befriending everyone leads to the best ending and some 30-1hr bonus play value.

[Aedel]

So. This game's a thing that I played yesterday.

Spoiler: Spoilers inside. (click to show/hide)

So for the first part of the game, I went the semi-pacifist approach; that is, I'd beat up monsters until they wanted to go away, then let them, and didn't really get the subtleties of the ACT menu until much later because I'm kinda thick like that.

Obviously, my strategy did not work on Toriel. That ended up incredibly depressing.

The rest of the game wasn't really noteworthy, other than me killing Doggo on accident (again, not understanding the ACT button; shortly after that, I pretty much went through the rest of the game on a no-kill run.) Really good rest of the game, mind, especially that pentultimate bossfight, but not really noteworthy compared to accidentally offing your surrogate mother on a crit right after she made you pie.

Well, there was also the Cyriak flower, which was... uh, really something. It went straight through nightmare fuel and then looped back around to something halfway amusing, which probably made things have less of an impact than they were supposed to.

But according to Mr. Flower, I'm now apparently supposed to complete the game without killing anything; which I know is doable, I just can't really be arsed. Does enough stuff change on a pure pacifist run compared to a mostly-pacifist run to make it worth chugging through it again, or should I just find the wiki and read up on all the spoilers?

ACT has some of the best parts of the game, and pacifist has some new stuff

It also has

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anime

[Sonlirain]

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But according to Mr. Flower, I'm now apparently supposed to complete the game without killing anything; which I know is doable, I just can't really be arsed. Does enough stuff change on a pure pacifist run compared to a mostly-pacifist run to make it worth chugging through it again, or should I just find the wiki and read up on all the spoilers?

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Yes do a pure pacifist run (and get the true ending) and follow it up with a genocide run. The world is different whyen you go with pure genocide.

[Leafsnail]

There's a fair amount of new Dialogue on the Pacifist route, I didn't find it too boring after having done a neutral run.

[TempAcc]

Lots of dialogue unique to that path, another date scene, new enemies, more plot bits, new bosses, etc. In comparison, a genocide run gets you less stuff and no conclusion. Genocide runs are far less interesting overall, with the only redeeming bit being the unique boss battle.

[Leafsnail]

The genocide run is actually radically different throughout in terms of dialogue, in addition to the changed gameplay.  It also cuts out a lot of the stuff that would normally be tedious on the second playthrough (apparently it's actually the best way to speedrun the game due to this).

[Bauglir]

The genocide run is actually radically different throughout in terms of dialogue, in addition to the changed gameplay.  It also cuts out a lot of the stuff that would normally be tedious on the second playthrough (apparently it's actually the best way to speedrun the game due to this).

That does make sense. There are no puzzles, you skip most of Hotland, and aside from the two bosses every fight after the Ruins is a one-hit sort of affair. If you can do the bosses reliably, you'll have a huge advantage.

[Qmarx]

The genocide run is actually radically different throughout in terms of dialogue, in addition to the changed gameplay.  It also cuts out a lot of the stuff that would normally be tedious on the second playthrough (apparently it's actually the best way to speedrun the game due to this).

Well, technically it's fastest to do a 'genocide that falls off the wagon right at the end' neutral run, so you don't have to farm random encounters at the end or face the geno bosses.

[Putnam]

one of the geno bosses

[Leafsnail]

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You mean avoid farming in Hotland?  I don't think that's actually true, doing that means you have to go through three fairly long fights with a lot of unskippable dialogue (Mettaton, Asgore, Flowey) rather than a bit of grinding followed by one quick fight. All the top times recorded for Undertale are on a pure geno run.

e: I guess you actually DO get to skip the Mettaton fight doing this, I didn't realize.

e: actually nevermind, it looks like in the past week there's been some neutral runs that are a couple of minutes faster.  It seems incredibly close in any case.

[SeriousConcentrate]

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How the hell can you speedrun a scenario that has Sans in it? Are people really that good, or is it all TAS?

[Leafsnail]

It just takes practice.