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[thefish1992]

1.Right now in my fortress i am currently running i am in the process of making a kill satellite. the support tower for its built and i am currently making the gun. (I'm thinking of using Drawbridges) and i am not to sure of what to use as the bullet(s), im currently debating between stone boulder, blocks, or lava (i embarked on a volcano). but i have no idea how effective these would be, the hit zone of the kill-sat is right in front of my forts Main (and only) entrance ( a 3 wide hallway were the entrance is a wall and 2 doors (Door, Wall, Door) and the doors are made out of gold (which is way I'm nervous about lava, the main military combat choke point is in their and my trade depot is right in its hit zone and i don't feel like rebuilding it after every time The elves a trader piss me off. )) If anyone has any ideas on what would be a good idea for ammunition for a twelve story drop please share. (little side question here, Is bronze magma proof? i have tons of it and I'm building my kill-sat completely out of it)
2.How good is and artifact bone helmet compared to a masterwork bronze helmet? i got one in a possession and is currently equipped to my meat shield squad.
3.How many ballistas would it take to cover a small (i would say 56 urist) long plain? i already have 3 trained on the entrance to my mining area (this part is outside of my fort with a tunnel to and enclosed ballista bunker)

Thanks for any help given in advance .

[Di]

1. Magma is the best. Bronze isn't magma safe. You should use it only for constructions (b-C-...)
2. Quality matters less than material. Metal is better.
3. Depends on what do you mean by "cover". Every balista arrow damages one line, so I'd say you need 56 of those. Yet they'd still suck.

[Button]

IIRC, the latest shotgun research is that the most effective ammunition is water.

Therefore, I suggest you use minecarts full of water. (Platinum minecarts, if you're classy.)

[thefish1992]

so the magma would not destroy my trade depot on impact (assuming its made out of something magma proof) will it melt down the 2 gold doors at my forts entrance (should probably replace those with steel or something). and don't make the bridges in the kill sat bronze got it.
By cover i mean harass more than anything. really just something to soften up any force that takes that way to my fort (or come out of the mines which is likely)

also can a falling liquid do damage from a impact like falling? or will i have to rely on the burning and just add a second layer for something more hard.

so bronze is better than bone regardless, ill let the captain keep it though, he never had much hope for a retirement anyway.

Interesting idea but my map is pretty dry one 2x2 pool of water on the whole embark would make reload rather slow

[Sirbug]

Doors do not get molten if they are closed, apparently. Even wooden doors hold magma back.

Things only melt when magma flow over them.

[evictedSaint]

Dropping water would not do damage.

The reason mine-cart-launched water does damage is because it's temporarily transformed into a boulder during the length of its flight; merely dropping water would not have the same effect.

[Di]

And even then magma is better in most cases. 

[Mr. Palau]

If you are looking for a cannon type weapon, I suggest you look at the last few pages in this thread. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?390202-Dwarf-Fortress-Main-Thread/page223

You can fire the weapon from a higher Z level, as discussed in the thread. Although it needs to be tested how fast they fall. Water coming from this thing will obliterate anything but a steel blob forgotten beast, or some other un-kill-able monstrosity.

[Button]

Dropping water would not do damage.

The reason mine-cart-launched water does damage is because it's temporarily transformed into a boulder during the length of its flight; merely dropping water would not have the same effect.

Thus why I suggested minecarts full of water, instead of the water itself. Presumably if it's a boulder while inside a rolling minecart, it will be a boulder while inside a falling minecart. Or does it only become a boulder upon launch?

[Mr. Palau]

Dropping water would not do damage.

The reason mine-cart-launched water does damage is because it's temporarily transformed into a boulder during the length of its flight; merely dropping water would not have the same effect.

Thus why I suggested minecarts full of water, instead of the water itself. Presumably if it's a boulder while inside a rolling minecart, it will be a boulder while inside a falling minecart. Or does it only become a boulder upon launch?

I believe you have to eject the water from the minecart, or else you will just end up hitting stuff with minecarts, albeit full of water.

[Veylon]

Dropping water would not do damage.

The reason mine-cart-launched water does damage is because it's temporarily transformed into a boulder during the length of its flight; merely dropping water would not have the same effect.

Thus why I suggested minecarts full of water, instead of the water itself. Presumably if it's a boulder while inside a rolling minecart, it will be a boulder while inside a falling minecart. Or does it only become a boulder upon launch?

I believe you have to eject the water from the minecart, or else you will just end up hitting stuff with minecarts, albeit full of water.

There's (naturally) a system to make this into a machine gun.

I'm kind of surprised nobody's mentioned using magma hurled from minecarts yet. It's the next inevitable phase.

[Mr. Palau]

Dropping water would not do damage.

The reason mine-cart-launched water does damage is because it's temporarily transformed into a boulder during the length of its flight; merely dropping water would not have the same effect.

Thus why I suggested minecarts full of water, instead of the water itself. Presumably if it's a boulder while inside a rolling minecart, it will be a boulder while inside a falling minecart. Or does it only become a boulder upon launch?

I believe you have to eject the water from the minecart, or else you will just end up hitting stuff with minecarts, albeit full of water.

There's (naturally) a system to make this into a machine gun.

I'm kind of surprised nobody's mentioned using magma hurled from minecarts yet. It's the next inevitable phase.

IIRC the increased density of magma makes it much harder to push stuff through it.

[vcordie]

If you are looking for a cannon type weapon, I suggest you look at the last few pages in this thread. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?390202-Dwarf-Fortress-Main-Thread/page223

You can fire the weapon from a higher Z level, as discussed in the thread. Although it needs to be tested how fast they fall. Water coming from this thing will obliterate anything but a steel blob forgotten beast, or some other un-kill-able monstrosity.

Howdy. I registered for that other forum and everything but it won't let me look at that thread. could you post what it says here, please? I'm interested in seeing that weapon.

[thefish1992]

i remember reading about the water gun redux cannon, never was very good at pumps to try it back then but i might make a attempt and use that idea instead of Batistas for that one plain if it works with magma, like i said, its a very dry map. my kill sat will involve lava and stone boulders, lava hits first followed by stone boulders in free fall, just to cover things that are not so afraid of magma. might post it if i can get it to work. might post it if i can't get it to work, could be more fun.

[☼!!Troll Fur Sock!!☼]

So, you have enuff resources to flood your entrance with magma... I guess building second pump stack wouldn't be too hard? Dropping solid obsidian will anihillate everything. Or...
Do we have any !!science!! on what happens when two minecarts, one with magma and other with water collide?