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[WillowLuman]

Vermin don't actually breed the way other creatures do. They just spawn and despawn.

[Urdothor]

I know.
Put, like in vanilla, when I am in an area with valuable vermin, I set up a certain area for them and avoid nearby catsplosions.
Now this is going to be harder.

[Dwarf4Explosives]

I'm pretty sure you're the only person who does that Urdothor. Doesn't vermin give halflings/dwarves/lizardfolk/whatever bad thoughts regardless of the vermin's value?

[WillowLuman]

It has nothing to do with the value of the vermin. Vermin have prefstrings, like any other creature, so occasionally people will like the creature and get a happy thought from seeing it. Some have [VERMIN_HATEABLE], though, and people "absolutely detest" them. If someone absolutely detests a particular vermin, they'll be "accosted by terrible vermin lately" when they see it.

[Dwarf4Explosives]

I got confused and thought he was talking about using the vermin as food, rather than keeping them wandering around.

Also, I think I may give the flying screamers both prefstrings and [VERMIN_HATEABLE], to make them more of a nuisance rather than a great advantage.

[WillowLuman]

Many vermin in vanilla have both. It allows for some people to really hate them, and some to think they're cool. Like spiders IRL.

[Dwarf4Explosives]

So far, it looks like the end result will be hordes of twelve-armed creatures that get absolutely everywhere, can't be destroyed by normal means (such as lava/magma or traps), annoy a large part of your population, but if you do manage to destroy them, there's a good chance you will start a tantrum spiral. Oh, and if you try to kill off small groups, they'll just breed more much faster than you can kill them without starting a spiral.

I think these things may be overpowered.

[WillowLuman]

Again, vermin don't breed, and killing vermin that some people have a preference for does not have the same effect as killing a pet. Lava is not effective for killing any pest, as they just avoid it - vermin hunters are the best pest control, and can kill any vermin instantly. As for getting everywhere, as long as they don't decimate food supplies and don't inflict syndromes, they're not overpowered.

[Dwarf4Explosives]

But this creature isn't actually a vermin. It's a full creature, that adopts it's owners and has three females for every two males born. It's fast, curious (and will steal your items if it's wild) and near indestructible.

[WillowLuman]

Then that does sound a bit overpowered. Where does it come from and how common is it?

[Dwarf4Explosives]

I plan to make it a fairly uncommon creature, biome is undecided, but I plan to have it's wild version restricted to certain areas only.

On the plus side, this creature is more of a nuisance than a tool (as noted above), so anyone with a shred of common sense will avoid it. I may have to set up a system that makes it incapable of flying after a certain age, to allow people to rid themselves of plagues like this, but it's relatively rare status as a wild creature should prevent them from wild ones becoming as such.

[Urdothor]

This type of creature is why my hobbits live underground.

[Dwarf4Explosives]

On the plus side, these things make Halflings look huge. A single thrown rock could probably kill or at least severely injure one of these. And pets could simply be pastured to an atom smasher, together with the owners of these creatures. Boom, problem solved, screamsplosion removed.

[Urdothor]

Just saying, a single thrown rock can kill just about everything.
Or a thrown fluffy wambler.

Unless you mean the halfling rocks.

[WillowLuman]

This type of creature is why my hobbits live underground.

Nah, it's just a nuissance.

The giant killer wasps, ants, spiders, moths, and tigers, on the other hand...