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[Halfling]

DF from scratch- literally freezing hell over.

My first version of the Vespulae, intended to be a swarming predator...does not seem to be able to breathe. Or see. Or, for that matter, stand. I suspect I made an error somewhere...nobody ever said Creation would be this...annoying...at God College. But then, they were competent there.

I finally managed to read up on this thread a bit and I must say It's one of the most amusing things I have seen in some time. It's like watching a train wreck, but the train has chicken legs instead of wheels and instead of rolling off a track it's been flung into the sky which has inexplicably become a giant custard pie.

Don't build a lumberyard unless you go into my reactions and make prepare cave lemons not automatic. For some reason it accepts any log. This can cause infinite loops and produces incendiary lemons.  So not only dose it cause the lumberyard to be useless it also produces fire.

I didn't find this out till after I uploaded.

DF "from scratch". We start with a vanilla version of DF, delete all raws with their creatures and bodies and templates and materials, and build an entire new player-made universe by hand.

One full of player-made creatures and all-new mechanics, hand-built turn by turn from the body templates and language symbols up to entire new dwarf civilizations and untold realms of possibility. You've imposed your madness on the world in your forts, now make it part of the fabric of reality itself!

A modding (or more like world-building) succession with stories of an emerging reality in between.

Currently at 144.3 188 303 352 426 662 715 786 kB vs. vanilla's ~ 2.6 MB.

Github: (brought to you by vyznev)
https://github.com/vyznev/dfscratch
Latest raws download: https://github.com/vyznev/dfscratch/archive/release-latest.zip
Latest raws/development: https://github.com/vyznev/dfscratch/archive/master.zip
Installation instructions: https://github.com/vyznev/dfscratch/wiki

Wiki projects (work in progress - please contribute):

Wiki	Admins
http://dfscratch.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page	Zanzetkuken, Gnorm
http://df-from-scratch.wikia.com/wiki/DF_from_Scratch_Wiki	Zanzetkuken
http://dffs.wikia.com/wiki/DFFS_Wiki	Gnorm

Whichever wiki gets the most contribution will be officially recommended later.

Downloads:

Starting point, minimal world: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7776 | player's guide
+ BFEL's modding turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7797
+ StLeibowitz's modding turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7811 | player's guide
+ laularukyrumo's modding turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7834
+ sackhead's http://www.mediafire.com/?n23ps889fojunx5 | Customized Obsidian graphics http://www.mediafire.com/?wj1f8gk7720z7ya
+ bugfixes for sackhead's turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7881
+ HugoLuman's turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7886 | Description: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4475810#msg4475810 | Obsidian graphics version (by sackhead) http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7888
+ Zanzetkuken's turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7901 | Description http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4501918#msg4501918
+ reemer30's turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7943
+ HugoLuman's bugfix pack for reemer30 + contribs http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7984
+ Putnam's turn http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8009
+ Gnorm's turn http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8109 | Github download
Current: kopout's turn: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8158 | Github download
 
Download last package above to get the newest version of everything, or one of the earlier ones to experience features added by that turn and earlier only.


Turns:

#	Modder	Player
0	Halfling	laularukyrumo	1 2 3
1	BFEL	various
2	StLeibowitz	A Spoony Bard	1 2 3
3	laularukyrumo	StLeibowitz	1 2 3 4
4	sackhead	Gnorm	1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
5	HugoLuman	no endorsed report
6	Zanzetkuken	ZMC	1
7	Crustypeanut	TBA
8	reemer30	Xieg	1 2
9	bulborbish	TBA
10	mastahcheese	TBA
11	mocman	TBA
bugfix	HugoLuman	HugoLuman Xieg Gnorm	1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 1
12	Putnam	TBA
13	Godlysockpuppet	TBA
14	Lost in Nowhere	TBA
15	The Urist	TBA
15	Gnorm	vyznev Zanzetkuken Xyon Gnorm	1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 3 4
16	kopout	Gnorm	1 2 3
17	Xieg	TBA
18	vyznev	TBA

Spoiler: old player pool (click to show/hide)

Player pool according to old play turn rules -- deprecated
sculleywr
laularukyrumo
mastahcheese
mocman
InsanityIncarnate
Metruption
Gnorm

How to play:
- First of all, feel free to just enjoy the mod without having anything to do with this thread. If you like to contribute:
- You may sign up for a modding turn, share a player story, or just contribute from the sidelines. Modding turns consist of developing the world, adding any creatures, materials, entities and so on that you see fit.
- Modding turns take one week (plus 1 week of bugfixing duty for modding turn). Player stories can be as long or as short as you like.
- Feel free to start a player report anytime after the mod is uploaded, and please give feedback. Your contribution is as important as the modding turns. If it's a detailed report with some play time, I will add it to this first post. If there are several I'll edit the table to contain them all. Reports from older versions are welcome too and may help us improve the new version still.
- Mod turns go in order. First, you have 1 week to make your additions. Then, upload your work. Your bugfixing turn starts immediately. At the same time, the next modder may start adding on his work. Please only sign up for a full modding turn if you are relatively competent at this and can contribute more than just a little content in one week.

Spoiler: Player report guidelines (click to show/hide)

Overall:

• First, gen a world according to newest version raws. Since this is developing at a fast pace, please, for your own sake first fire up arena mode and see errorlog.txt. If there are any errors other than one reporting a missing RCP_GLOSS_PAW (necessary to eliminate random creatures), report them and don't start yet, unless you know how to fix them yourself.
• Play the game like you would a succession and share the story. If all goes well, you're in for a treat. <3 thanks
• If there's need for a bugfix or a balance fix, report it. It's the previous modder's duty to fix it.
• At the end of your playing turn, make any suggestions for bugfixing or balance you may have.

Please pay attention to the following:

• The game must still run smoothly and without lag
• There must be no unavoidable crashes (worldgen crashing a few times is fine, a reaction crashing the game every time is not)
• It must not generate an error log at worldgen, embark or arena mode start, other than the above mentioned. Pathing and similar minor mechanical errors during game are okay, but should still be fixed if possible. Likewise with IMPOVERISHED_WORD_SELECTOR that sometimes shows up, it doesn't affect gameplay and will be fixed naturally as the language develops.
• it must still be somewhat newb-friendly as in a well managed fortress of: any race the player chooses when not a modder, or when the modder does, a relatively human-like race, can survive for two years. If you're picking a new race, you may need a guide!
• If a player reports a violation of one of the above rules, the modder must provide a bugfix/balancing update (asking for help is fine)
• If a bugfix is not provided in a reasonable amount of time, the mod turn will be voided.

Spoiler: Mod turn proceedings (click to show/hide)

Overall:
                 

• To start, download previous turn's raws. Note that there might still be bugfixes incoming and you must include these with your new raws, so they don't get lost in the process - so download and add updates by previous modders to their work as they come (or at least before uploading the new package).
• Add anything you like, following the rules!
• When you're happy with the result or it's been a week, upload. Please playtest first. I know I didn't do this enough.
• Before uploading, update anything that needs to be updated (see above). Your upload must be a complete, working set of the newest raws (typically the raw/objects folder), not just your additions.
• Next comes a playing turn, to show that your addition works. You may choose to demonstrate it yourself. If there are no players who will take it, it would be great if you did a player report. Either way, it must be played, run according to the player turn rules and you must provide a fix for any bugs that appear during this time in a reasonable amount of time (asking for help is fine), or your turn will be voided. Your bugfixing duty ends after a week but it would be great if you provided fixes as needed anyway.

Rules:

• You are not allowed to copy and paste or include DF or other mods' raws directly (I had to a little to get it to not crash and burn, but that should be the end of it). Getting caught means your turn will be voided. Copying and pasting parts that you were going to rewrite exactly anyway is fine, doing this to an entire creature, object or set of them is not
• You are, however, explicitly allowed to link to previous content, such as use a previous player's templates or interactions. In fact this is probably wise when possible so the raw size doesn't balloon to insanity.
• You are allowed to copy values (tensile strength of iron) from anywhere but a new one would be preferable. On the other hand coming up with new values just for the sake of it is not very sane in the long run, so use judgment.
• You are not allowed to edit previous content, unless a new crash is discovered or permission is given allowed to edit content according to the editing rules below. If you want to implement a mechanic that must be modded into all creatures (such as something like my contagious disease mod), ask first please.
• To make the world eventually more varied, you are, in violation of the above, allowed to reduce the frequency of old creatures or materials or limit them to biomes when new creatures are added, but not remove them entirely - nor assign them to an impossible biome (badgers to the ocean). The new frequency must not be less than 10% of the old frequency, or 1, whichever is greater, and you must mark this edit with a comment to prevent repeating it.
• Suggestion: when defining materials, try to add a [STATE_COLOR:ALL:COLOR] where color is a color of your choice. This is so stonesense can figure out what color a sprite should be.

IMPORTANT:

• To force compatibility with both vanilla DF and other players' contributions, so that raws never clash, and novelty so that copypasting simply does not work, you must add _XYZ to the end of every object that you newly add/define, where XYZ is an at least 3 letter handle that you chose. Mine was HLG, so that I would add a "BODY:REALLY_SIMPLE_BODY_HLG" instead of "BODY:REALLY_SIMPLE_BODY". The exception to this is language words. Not doing this will eventually destroy everything. Referring to other players raws of course does not need this, if XYZ came before me I could use BODY_XYZ in my creature, but if I make a new body... as above.
• Similarly name your files by turn, eg. "creature_domestic_halfling", so we can keep track of things.
• Lastly, you must not take a week to add only one material. Sorry. I can't really tell you how much you should add, but if you're not comfortable making new objects, you should probably not take the turn. Consider player turn instead.

Spoiler: Post-turn content editing rules (click to show/hide)

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/* These rules were added as a response to bugfixing taking an inordinate amount of time and mental resources, to keep mod development going more effectively */

After your turn, your content may be edited for: rules violations, balance, language/spelling errors, and bugfixes.
1. This will be implemented by the current modder/bugfixer at their discretion, but may be suggested by anyone.
- Rules violations: such as incorrectly naming your creatures without _XXX
- Language/spelling errors, without concern for whether the misspelling/bad grammar was intentional if it wasn't stated to be
- Balance issues, highlighted by play experience
- Bugfixes and seemingly unintentional behavior, such as a material that wasn't supposed to explode exploding spontaneously
The edit may be applied immediately and removed later if you disagree with it.

2. The fix must respect and preserve the original intention of the addition when it is made clear. If it was meant to be an incredibly powerful megabeast,
it should be preserved as such, even if it's balanced. If specifically intended behavior seems to be the problem, this restriction is lifted, but this should preferably
not be done and the thing should not have been added in the first place.

3. The author may veto any fix, but a general consensus reached after discussion will override that veto.


Spoiler: Contribution advice (click to show/hide)

Posting your unpublished raws in this thread is awesome. It's up to the modder whose turn it is to implement it if he wants. You are obviously allowed to throw anything and everything at us. However it would be swell if

• You posted the raws as text
• There's a short description of what it does
• and maybe a screenshot to show it works

"Scratch" guides, info and accessories
Compatibility, assuming all goes well: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4343299#msg4343299
Halfling play guide: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4343668#msg4343668
Background creature theme music script: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4379467#msg4379467
Play guide to the formics: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4384001#msg4384001
Lizardfolk play guide: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4541936#msg4541936

Fanart
1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Aseaheru's Youtube series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sum1QxzpoX0

Things we found useful/Modding resource collection
Perl scripts for editing DF data files: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127552.msg4641172#msg4641172
Wiki rip reference of modding tokens: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6588
Workshop graphics utility: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2068 (honorable mention for providing source)
Language generator: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7174


To take either kind of turn, just post in this thread. First come, first serve! Have fun!

[Matoro]

This is horrible.

Normally the community just builds insane fortresses and bring the death and madness to everyone visiting their fort. Now the same for the whole world.

In other words, this is awesome.

We will probably get a world with everything exploding into dlood and gore with wagon and giant sponge civs fighting about their ethics in the world gen. And candy man megabeasts killing everything and dwarves eating slade boulders and elves that combust upon contact with wood and so on.... Man this is going to be so goddamn awesome. Especially in the next release, since we can retire the fortresses and history goes on.

I see this totally possible. I think we should start by making the civs and creatures, just by "everyone can post their creatures and entities to this thread" way. Someone glues all those chaotic things into the objects floder and generates a world. Then reactions and other stuff. We could make stories from its legends or adventure mode while the main succession fortress in being played. This is just crazy. It's going to be the most fucked-up universe ever. Even Armok couldn't make weirder.

[zubb2]

This sounds neat and I might watch.

I have a creature but its not on this computer, so later for that.

This will be very FUN to watch.


ITS BEEN A FEW POSTS EDIT: Here is my small contribution, I won't feel bad if nobody uses it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

  [CREATURE:BLIND_MUTANT_OGRE]
   [DESCRIPTION:A blind cave ogre captured and alterd by The Board of Fortresses. Mainly the Board gave the species a sword arm and increased their growth rate.]
   [NAME:blind mutant ogre:blind mutant ogres:blind mutant ogre]
   [CASTE_NAME:blind mutant ogre:blind mutant ogres:blind mutant ogre]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'O'][COLOR:7:0:1]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
[BIOME:MOUNTAIN]
   [UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:2:3]
   [LARGE_ROAMING]
   [PETVALUE:500]
   
   [DIFFICULTY:2][FREQUENCY:50]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:5:10]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:3]
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
   [LIKES_FIGHTING]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR][MEANDERER]


[COMMON_DOMESTIC][TRAINABLE][PET][WAGON_PULLER]

   [CAN_LEARN][SLOW_LEARNER]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:20]
   [BONECARN]
   [EXTRAVISION]
   [PREFSTRING:echoing howls and shanking]
   
[BODY:HUMANOID_SWORD_ARM_RIGHT:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:2FINGERS:2TOES:MOUTH:TONGUE:FACIAL_FEATURES:TEETH:RIBCAGE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]

[SELECT_BODY:HUMANOID_SWORD_ARM_RIGHT:BY_CATEGORY:SWORDARM_LOWER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:SWORDARM_LOWER:USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BONE_TEMPLATE]
[TISSUE:BONE]
[TISSUE_NAME:bone:bones]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:BONE:BONE_TEMPLATE]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:BONE]
[LAYER_UNDER]

[TISSUE:BRONZE]
[TISSUE_NAME:bronze:bronze]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:BRONZE]


   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:250000]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:168:2500000]
   [BODY_SIZE:20:0:7000000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:20:30]
   [CHILD:2][BABY:1][MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
   

[ATTACK:SHANK:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:SWORDARM_LOWER]
[ATTACK_SKILL:SWORD]
[ATTACK_VERB:shank:shanks]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION:PERC:100]


[ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
   [ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
   [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   




        [EQUIPS]
   [CANOPENDOORS]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10040]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
      [MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:WHITE:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]

[Halfling]

Thanks for your trust

I was thinking I would first create a very, very simple world which only has one type of rock, one ore, one type of wood, a few plants, one type of intelligent creature (primitive man) and four unintelligent creatures: primitive dog, primitive bird, primitive hamster and tyrannosaurus (first megabeast), but would include all the things DF requires to run and make working creatures, such as a basic language and several minimalist material and body templates. Then, on top of that, everybody could add their stuff, including new templates, new languages, creatures, civilizations etc etc.

But come to think of it, if we want to include everyone, which is a good idea, how would the turns go? I'm drawing kind of a blank here. It would be good if we could have players who don't need to know about modding who could take turns playing this brave new world, and it would also be very good if everyone could just toss homebrewn creatures and items in. But to make this work, there should be some step where raws are read, bugtested, and collected into packs too, by which I mean that they basically work and don't ruin your game instantly such as send a berserk adamantine colossus caravan to your fort the first summer, nor knock each other out and destroy part of the world. But there probably wouldn't be many takers for a bugfixing turn?

That's why I originally suggested that everyone first develops and then plays their own creation on top of previous turns, but if there's a way to make something more interesting work...

[darklord92]

Well i'm sure we need some basic materials to start with and form our world out of, so here are some insane materials to begin forming our world with~

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1z74o2uh4xfk2bk/inorganic_stone_crazyworld.zip

Spoiler: contents of zip (click to show/hide)

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material_template_crazyworld

[OBJECT:MATERIAL_TEMPLATE]

[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLAHBLAHBING_TEMPLATE]
These are the state names, adjectives and colors for the material.
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:RED]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:blahbulite]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:blahbulite]
[STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:BLUE]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:blobulite]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:blobulite]
[STATE_COLOR:GAS:blibulite]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling blibulite]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling blibulite]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:7:0:0]
The modifier used to all values involving the material.
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
Temperature information.
[SPEC_HEAT:945]
[IGNITE_POINT:NONE]
[MELTING_POINT:19003]
[BOILING_POINT:23092]
[HEATDAM_POINT:NONE]
[COLDDAM_POINT:NONE]
[MAT_FIXED_TEMP:NONE]
[SOLID_DENSITY:2880]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:1200]
[MOLAR_MASS:36000][IMPACT_YIELD:100000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:120000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:100]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:123333]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:122222]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:100]
[TENSILE_YIELD:15010]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:16000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:100]
[TORSION_YIELD:19900]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:5000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:100]
[SHEAR_YIELD:20000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:10000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:100]
[BENDING_YIELD:15000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:15000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:100]
[MAX_EDGE:100690]
[ABSORPTION:0]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_QUERN]
[REACTION_CLASS:CAN_GLAZE]



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inorganic_stone_crazyworld

[OBJECT:INORGANIC]


//basic stones
[INORGANIC:PIZZABING]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLAHBLAHBING_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:pizzabing][DISPLAY_COLOR:6:2:0][TILE:133]
[SEDIMENTARY][AQUIFER][SEDIMENTARY_OCEAN_SHALLOW]
[IS_STONE]
[MELTING_POINT:11000]
[SOLID_DENSITY:2400]

[INORGANIC:POPSICLEBLAH]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLAHBLAHBING_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:popsicles][DISPLAY_COLOR:7:6:0][TILE:133]
[ENVIRONMENT:SEDIMENTARY:VEIN:90]
[ENVIRONMENT:IGNEOUS_EXTRUSIVE:VEIN:100]
[IS_STONE]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1000]

[INORGANIC:HEAVYSTUPH]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLAHBLAHBING_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:heavydirty][DISPLAY_COLOR:7:4:0][TILE:133]
[SOIL]
[SOLID_DENSITY:900510]
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some gems :D

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[Matoro]

But come to think of it, if we want to include everyone, which is a good idea, how would the turns go? I'm drawing kind of a blank here. It would be good if we could have players who don't need to know about modding who could take turns playing this brave new world, and it would also be very good if everyone could just toss homebrewn creatures and items in. But to make this work, there should be some step where raws are read, bugtested, and collected into packs too, by which I mean that they basically work and don't ruin your game instantly such as send a berserk adamantine colossus caravan to your fort the first summer, nor knock each other out and destroy part of the world. But there probably wouldn't be many takers for a bugfixing turn?

Since civs cannot be created without creating a new world, I suggest making them (with basic materials etc.) first - everything that needs world regeneration would be made first (well there could be a test worlds) so we would have just one playing world, where we could to start adding things during the game.

I don't really see the public reading of the raws necessary. Everyone who adds something has to test it out by himself in a different save/arena. Minor bugs aren't bad, they are hilarious/weaponizable. It would be a good surprise for the next player to see what creatures and building the former overseer added.

[Krevsin]

...
This is the most epic idea I've heard all week.

I would love to see this, but I could not personally partake in it due to my appaling modding skills (although, If I begin practicing....)

"minimalist" universe which would probably be something like humans mining "rock", forging "metal", waging wars and farming cabbages wheat.

Sounds like Minecraft DF mod to me. 

[Halfling]

@darklord92, thanks, but we haven't started yet. but there's something that could happen, all...

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Since civs cannot be created without creating a new world, I suggest making them (with basic materials etc.) first - everything that needs world regeneration would be made first (well there could be a test worlds) so we would have just one playing world, where we could to start adding things during the game.

I don't really see the public reading of the raws necessary. Everyone who adds something has to test it out by himself in a different save/arena. Minor bugs aren't bad, they are hilarious/weaponizable. It would be a good surprise for the next player to see what creatures and building the former overseer added.

Can't add in new creatures, reactions or interactions either without regenning, so the "succession" will have to be more like a spiritual succession where previous features are kept and new ones are added.

I got some ideas for how this just might work now. Here's what I'm thinking:

* You may sign up for a "mod" turn or a "play" turn, which run on separate lists and all take one week.

* Mod turns and play turns may occur simultaneously, but every mod turn's result must be followed by a play turn. If there are no players, you must demonstrate your own mod. The minimum playtime is one fort surviving two years.

* The following rules apply during play turn:

Spoiler: player turn rules (click to show/hide)

• A new world is genned according to the previous mod turn's raws
• Player plays a turn similarly to a succession game.
• The game must still run smoothly and without lag
• There must be no unavoidable crashes (worldgen crashing a few times is fine, a reaction crashing the game every time is not)
• it must not generate an error log at worldgen, embark or arena mode start. pathing and similar minor mechanical errors during game are okay, but should still be fixed if possible.
• it must still be somewhat newb-friendly as in a well managed fortress of: any race the player chooses when not a modder, or when the modder does, a relatively human-like race, can survive for two years
• If a player reports a violation of one of the above rules, the modder must provide a bugfix/balancing update (asking for help is fine)
• If a bugfix is not provided in a reasonable amount of time, the mod turn will be voided.

* The following rules apply during mod turn:

Spoiler: mod turn rules (click to show/hide)

• You are not allowed to copy and paste DF or established mod raws directly.
• You are allowed to copy values (tensile strength of iron) but a new one would be preferable.
• You are not allowed to edit previous content, unless a new crash is discovered or permission is given, except raws where this is implicit such as changes to language_SYM -> other languages.
• You are, however, explicitly allowed to link to previous content, such as use a previous player's templates or interactions
• To make the world eventually more varied, you are, in violation of the above, allowed to reduce the frequency of old creatures or materials or limit them to biomes when new creatures are added, but not remove them entirely - nor assign them to an impossible biome (badgers to the ocean). The new frequency must not be less than 10% of the old frequency and you must mark this edit with a comment to prevent repeating it.
• To save everyone's time, you must playtest your product before uploading. You don't have to document this, so it's on the honor system. To force compatibility, so that raws never clash, and novelty so that copypasting simply does not work, you must add _XYZ to the end of every OBJECT that you add, where XYZ is an at least 3 letter handle that you chose. Such as I would add "BODY:REALLY_SIMPLE_BODY_HLG" instead of "BODY:REALLY_SIMPLE_BODY".
• Similarly name your files by turn, eg. "creature_domestic_halfling", so we can keep track of things.
• Lastly, you must not take a week to add only one material. Sorry. To make these turns more significant we should make it either "you must add at least 30kB of text" or "30 objects" or something.

* Everyone watching is invited to share their own contributions (in raw format), but again, to make this work more smoothly they must be accompanied by a screenshot and a short description of the result. Sorry, nasty surprises are only for modders.

* Because we can't have dwarfings, we'll have creaturings (objectings?). Players may request a creaturing and modders may name a creature or a non-layer individual material after a player and one after themselves (Halfling lizard, Halflingite).

One major obstacle here is I'm going to be really busy with studies again momentarily. So I'll be able to maintain the thread and turn list but definitely not bugfix other than my own mod turn.

Tell me what you think.

EDIT: I think there should also be something about preventing "cheating" reactions, but I don't know how exactly to define "cheating". Is magically turning your dwarves into pet dragons cheating or awesome? Maybe there should be something about realism, but on the other hand maybe not so it's not boring.

[Krevsin]

I like it. sounds nice and manageable.

[JacenHanLovesLegos]

This looks like a really awesome idea. Unfortunately, I have no modding skills whatsoever, so I'll just watch.

[BFEL]

I VOLUNTEER.
I VOLUNTEER HARDER THEN ANY MAN, DWARF, ELF, CARP, SPONGE, OR AMPERSAND HAS EVER VOLUNTEERED BEFORE.

THE IDEAS! THE WONDERFUL, HORRIBLE IDEAS


Ok so first off, I will make a Halfling race (based on the creator of this thread) that will be the "main" race, thus very dwarf like.

So quick poll, should they require alcohol or not?

[Halfling]

Halfling:

Bodysize: 40000
Not alcohol dependent
Use all plants
Only weapons allowed: wooden club, short bow
No armor except clothes
Can do interaction: throw rock, usage hint:attack, 1x/day
Neither siegers nor ambushers, nor counted among the very wise
Active seasons: spring, summer, autumn
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[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_PIPE_SMOKING]

In fact now that it's out there I could make it the first playable race of the "minimal" world if this gets going. Or shall I rather make the uber-vanilla generic humans and give the first "modding" turn to you?

There seems to be a lot of interest, so if everyone is fine with the rules above, then I'll be now taking "modding" and "playing" turn sign-ups. I'll get to work on the minimal world tomorrow, I actually have to figure out exactly what DF minimally needs to work.

[sackhead]

i would like to sign up for a modding turn.

[BFEL]

I called first modding turn. (unless Halfling wants it)

[squiddwarf16]

I have no idea how to mod and create new creatures... the most i can do is make animals playable and make squids amphibians... but I am willing to help in any way I can! bug testing maybe?