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[PDF urist master]

I've tested the meteoric spiders using iron for all of its body parts. turns out that a creature with body size of 1000 is incredibly fragile, even when it's literally made of iron. all attack that hit either glance away, fracture it or sever the limb completely. The beast is also surprisingly deadly, able to eviscerate a dwarf without armor by tearing its throat out. (it also managed to somehow fracture the middle spine of a giant)

here's the raws, for anyone who wants to experiment further.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:SPIDER_METEORITE]
   [DESCRIPTION:A tiny spider born from fallen meteors. Its webs are surprisingly sturdy.]
   [NAME:meteorite spider:meteorite spiders:meteorite spider]
   [CASTE_NAME:meteorite spider:meteorite spiders:meteorite spider]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'s'][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [PETVALUE:250]
   [PET_EXOTIC]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAND]
   [THICKWEB][WEBIMMUNE][AMBUSHPREDATOR]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SILK:SILK_TEMPLATE]
   [WEBBER:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SILK]
   [CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
      [CDI:ADV_NAME:Spray web]
      [CDI:USAGE_HINT:ATTACK]
      [CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_TOKEN:LB]
      [CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SILK:WEB_SPRAY]
      [CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
      [CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:5]
      [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
      [CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:15]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [PREFSTRING:texture]
   [NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOSTUN][NOEMOTION][NOFEAR]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:1][DIFFICULTY:3]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:3:4]
   [CARNIVORE][NATURAL]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [SAVAGE]
   [NOBONES]
   [BODY:SPIDER:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH]
   [NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]
   [TISSUE:IRON]
      [TISSUE_NAME:meteoric iron:meteoric iron]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:IRON]
      [MUSCULAR]
      [FUNCTIONAL]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
      [CONNECTS]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:IRON]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:100]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:500]
   [BODY_SIZE:2:0:1000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10040]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [ITEMCORPSE:STATUE:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:IRON]
   [ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]

[Lost in Nowhere]

I'd imagine that they would go quite nicely down in the frozen underworld

[WillowLuman]

Except you're using vanilla material and tissue templates

[PDF urist master]

I know. I'm not good with tissue templates so I copy and pasted the tissue template of bronze colossuses but replaced it with iron.

does anyone have the material properties for meteoric iron that i can use?

[Dwarf4Explosives]

Just download a copy of the raws (found in the first post).

[PDF urist master]

I finished the nidhogg creature using the templates from the raws. The code for the raws in this game was a little different from the raws in vanilla, so there was a learning curve.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:NIDHOGG]
   [DESCRIPTION:A forgotten god of ancient lore. It lurches in the great depths to devour all who were cast there.]
   [NAME:nidhogg:nidhogg:nidhogg]
   [CASTE_NAME:nidhogg:nidhogg:nidhogg]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'N'][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [FREQUENCY:5]
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOSTUN]
   [NOEXERT][NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]
   [NO_DIZZINESS]
   [NO_FEVERS]
   [LARGE_ROAMING]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:3:3]
   [ITEM_THIEF]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:1]
   [PREFSTRING:great size]
   [BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:TAIL:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH_WITH_FANGS:RIBCAGE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:FLESH:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE_HLG]
      [STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:flesh]
   [TISSUE:ROCK]
      [TISSUE_NAME:rock:rock]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:ROCK_HLG]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
      [MUSCULAR]
      [FUNCTIONAL]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
      [CONNECTS]
   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:FLESH:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE_HLG]
      [TISSUE_NAME:flesh:flesh]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:FLESH]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:99]
   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:ROCK]
   [TISSUE_LAYER_UNDER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:FLESH]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:200000000]
   [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:6]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT:6]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:DODGING:6]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:6]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:1500]
   [FANCIFUL]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:scales:PLURAL]
   [SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL]
      [MULTIPLY_VALUE:15]

I used the balanced elemental schematic for the tissue layers (rock on the outside, flesh on the inside). it should work fairly well. I've also finished the raws for the meteorite spider using meteoritic iron as the new tissue template.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:SPIDER_METEORITE]
   [DESCRIPTION:A tiny spider born from fallen meteors. Its webs are surprisingly sturdy.]
   [NAME:meteorite spider:meteorite spiders:meteorite spider]
   [CASTE_NAME:meteorite spider:meteorite spiders:meteorite spider]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'s'][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [PETVALUE:250]
   [PET_EXOTIC]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAND]
   [THICKWEB][WEBIMMUNE][AMBUSHPREDATOR]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SILK:SILK_TEMPLATE]
   [WEBBER:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SILK]
   [CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
      [CDI:ADV_NAME:Spray web]
      [CDI:USAGE_HINT:ATTACK]
      [CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_TOKEN:LB]
      [CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SILK:WEB_SPRAY]
      [CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
      [CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:5]
      [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
      [CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:15]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [PREFSTRING:texture]
   [NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOSTUN][NOEMOTION][NOFEAR]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:1][DIFFICULTY:3]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:3:4]
   [CARNIVORE][FANCIFUL]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [SAVAGE]
   [NOBONES]
   [BODY:SPIDER:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH]
   [NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]
   [TISSUE:INORGANIC:METEORIC_IRON_HLG]
      [TISSUE_NAME:meteoric iron:meteoric iron]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:METEORIC_IRON_HLG]
      [MUSCULAR]
      [FUNCTIONAL]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
      [CONNECTS]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:INORGANIC:METEORIC_IRON_HLG]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:100]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:500]
   [BODY_SIZE:2:0:1000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10040]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [ITEMCORPSE:STATUE:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:METEORIC_IRON_HLG]
   [ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]

[Lost in Nowhere]

There are two lines in the spider's raws that I can see that currently reference vanilla files:

Code: [Select]

[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SILK:SILK_TEMPLATE]

Code: [Select]

[BODY:SPIDER:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH]

[PDF urist master]

really? aww. How do I fix it?

[WillowLuman]

Basically, to ensure you don't use anything from vanilla, you should:

1) download a fresh copy of DF
2) delete the contents of the raws folder
3) install the current release of this mod.

[StLeibowitz]

I was just doodling around in the object testing arena, refamiliarizing myself with all the things we've created and considering making a few of those inorganics I planned back on my turn, and I have to ask: why are Panserblekks so absurdly strong?

I pitted a Panserblekk and a Dwarven Shadow against each other. It wasn't even a contest - the 'blekk pulverized the shadow. Didn't get touched once. The shadow ended the fight completely dismembered, and from the combat logs it seems the 'blekk actually killed it by ripping its arms off, Wookie-style, and pummeling the rest of its limbs off piecemeal - first a foot, then the lower leg, another foot, the upper leg - until it finished off the hellspawned being carved from near indestructible shadows by pummeling it in half.

Is it something about that pummel attack? Are they just really, really big? Is it speed? I have to admit I haven't played with some of the recent additions, and I don't have the time to investigate the raws right now.

[BlackFlyme]

Panserblekks have their large size, which helps quite a bit. They also have a natural skill in wrestling.

But their attacks don't have any velocity modifiers. Pummels have a much smaller contact size than normal though, which focuses the hit much more. Their bites are smaller as well, though not as small as their pummels.

[WillowLuman]

They're just large and covered with natural armor. They're a bit ponderous, but size makes quite a difference in this game. I'd say they're the cold-weather equivalent of African Cape Buffalo in terms of ecosystem and durability.

[StLeibowitz]

Another test, and a panserblekk managed to pummel apart a Giant's shadow - 9000000 size vs. the blekk's 260000 (I think? That's the biggest size number I could find in its raws). Again, no scratches, as evidenced by the fact the Blekk remained untouched by the mauling-transmitted transformation syndrome.

I didn't think I'd find an organic beast capable of defeating these shades in combat. It's fascinating to watch. I've got to see how one fares against the Vespulae...

[WillowLuman]

It's the armor, its not vascularized so toxins don't enter it. And its hardness stops interaction-inducing attacks from connecting properly. It would have to be a bite that caused bleeding to illicit the conversion, I think. How do they fare against treelords?

[StLeibowitz]

Haven't tested yet, but five vespulae against one panserblekk ended with the blekk victorious, albeit completely blind - the wasp stings glanced off everything except the eyes, which were both stung after it killed two vespulae, and the rest died as it lashed out blindly.

They prove remarkably resilient to lava euthanasia it seems, but that might be because I'm doing it wrong. I got it encased on try 3. Commencing treelord testing.

EDIT: Yeah, treelords retain the title of King of Beasts. It landed two shots on the Panserblekk's eyes and then just endured while the blekk bled out. I'll have to test a few dragons against a blekk when I get home.