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[WillowLuman]

A grasper is very important, and they need [CAN_SPEAK]

[Gnorm]

I know for a fact that they can grasp, and they have the [INTELLIGENT] token. Isn't it unnecessary and redundant to add [CAN_SPEAK], or is only having the aforementioned intelligent token hindering me?

[Putnam]

I know for a fact that they can grasp

Are you sure?

[WillowLuman]

I know for a fact that they can grasp, and they have the [INTELLIGENT] token. Isn't it unnecessary and redundant to add [CAN_SPEAK], or is only having the aforementioned intelligent token hindering me?

It would be redundant, I believe. [INTELLIGENT] is a shortcut for [CAN_SPEAK] + [CAN_LEARN]

Play adventure or Arena with one. Can they pick things up?

[Gnorm]

Play adventure or Arena with one. Can they pick things up?

They work fine in Adventurer, and will fish in Fortress Mode, but they will not cut down trees or dig.

[Putnam]

Fishing doesn't require graspers.

Do they have thought?

[WillowLuman]

He said they have [INTELLIGENT], but [NOTHOUGHT] would probably contradict that.

[Gnorm]

Fishing doesn't require graspers.

Do they have thought?

I assure you that they do, indeed, have thought.

[WillowLuman]

Are you sure you didn't put in NOTHOUGHT to try and make them more durable? Can we see the raws?

For that matter, let us see the Entity raws, too.

[Gnorm]

Here are the raws. They are slightly truncated in order for easy perusal:

Creature:

Code: [Select]

        ...
        [INTELLIGENT]
        [HAS_NERVES]
        [BENIGN]
[CANOPENDOORS]
        ...
[BODY:CORE_HLG:BACK_LEGS_HLG:ARMS_HLG:EXTERNAL_EARS_HLG:TEETH_HLG:EXTERNAL_GEARS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_MATERIALS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_TISSUES_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:TEETH_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:BACK_LEGS_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:ARMS_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXTERNAL_EARS_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HAIR_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HAIR_ON_HEAD_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_MATERIALS_GNORM]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_TISSUES_GNORM]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_LAYERS_GNORM]
[BODYGLOSS:TWOLEGS_HLG]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TENDON:400]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TENDON:400]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:PUNCH_HLG]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:KICK_HLG]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:APPEARANCE_VARIABILITY_HEAD_HAIR_HLG]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:APPEARANCE_VARIABILITY_EYE_COLOR_HLG]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:APPEARANCE_VARIABILITY_SKIN_COLOR_HLG]
[CREATURE_CLASS:ALL]
[CREATURE_CLASS:HUMANOID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:MAMMAL]
[CREATURE_CLASS:VERTEBRATE]
[CREATURE_CLASS:MACHINE]
[BODY_SIZE:17250]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:1850]
[BODY_SIZE:1:168:8000]
[BODY_SIZE:20:0:17250]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:100:108:115:121:130:145]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:70:75:81:88:90:94:99]
[MAXAGE:140:165]
        ...
        [DIURNAL]
[EQUIPS]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
        ...
Entity:

Code: [Select]

        ...
        [CIV_CONTROLLABLE]
[ADVENTURE_TIER:7]
[OUTDOOR_WOOD]
        ...
[STONE_PREF]
[GEM_PREF]
[METAL_PREF]
[SIEGER]
[INVADERS_IGNORE_NEUTRALS]
[CURRENCY_BY_YEAR]
[CURRENCY:AERESIUMITE_LKR:1]
[CURRENCY:CELESTIUM_METAL_STL:15]
[USE_GOOD_ANIMALS]
[USE_GOOD_PLANTS]
[USE_GOOD_WOOD]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_MOUNT]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_PACK]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_PULL]
[RIVER_PRODUCTS]
[EQUIPMENT_IMPROVEMENTS]
[INDOOR_WOOD]
[OUTDOOR_WOOD]
[USE_MISC_PROCESSED_WOOD_PRODUCTS]
        ...
[USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS]
[START_BIOME:ANY_FOREST]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_DESERT:5]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_FOREST:5]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_RIVER:1]
[DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[LIKES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[LIKES_SITE:CITY]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:ROAD]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:BRIDGE]
[START_GROUP_NUMBER:25]
[MAX_POP_NUMBER:16320]
[MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:625]
[MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:7]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_FORTIFICATIONS]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_TOMBS]
[SCOUT]
[BEAST_HUNTER]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POPULATION:2]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PRODUCTION:3]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE:3]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE:3]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PROD_SIEGE:3]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE_SIEGE:4]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:WINTER]
[EQUIPMENT_IMPROVEMENTS]
[MERCHANT_BODYGUARDS]
[DIPLOMAT_BODYGUARDS]
[WILL_ACCEPT_TRIBUTE]
[BANDITRY:20]
[UNDEAD_CANDIDATE]
[RELIGION:PANTHEON]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:FORTRESSES]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:JEWELS]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:METALS]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:WEALTH]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:JUSTIFIED_IF_SELF_DEFENSE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:SHUN]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:LYING:JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MECHANIC]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PLANTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HERBALIST]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FURNACE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:STRAND_EXTRACTOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BREWER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BOWYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCUTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CARPENTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BLACKSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAPONSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARMORER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:METALCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MASON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_CARETAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_TRAINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRAPPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:STONECRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LEATHERWORKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_CARVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLOTHIER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISHERMAN]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CHEESE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SHEARER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SPINNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:COOK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:THRESHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILLER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BUTCHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TANNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTASH_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LYE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLERK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ADMINISTRATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRADER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARCHITECT]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLAZER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PRESSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BEEKEEPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WAX_WORKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLASSMAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOOD_BURNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DIAGNOSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SUTURER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SURGEON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:JEWELER]
[ARMOR:DRESS_SHIRT_HLG:COMMON]
[SHOES:BOOTS_CLOTHING_STL:COMMON]
[ARMOR:OVERCOAT_GNORM:COMMON]
[PANTS:TROUSERS_GNORM:COMMON]
[HELM:HOMBURG_GNORM:COMMON]
[ARMOR:LEATHER_TAILCOAT_HLG:UNCOMMON]
[ARMOR:LEATHER_WAISTCOAT_HLG:UNCOMMON]
[HELM:LEATHER_TOP_HAT_HLG:UNCOMMON]
[SHOES:LEATHER_ARMOR_BOOTS_HLG:UNCOMMON]
[GLOVES:LEATHER_ARMOR_GLOVES_HLG:UNCOMMON]
[ARMOR:GEAR_ARMOR:COMMON]
[PANTS:GEAR_LEGGINGS:COMMON]
[GLOVES:GEAR_GAUNTLET:COMMON]
[SHOES:GEAR_BOOTS:COMMON]
[HELM:GEAR_HELM:COMMON]
[SHOES:BOOTS_CLOTHING_STL:COMMON]
[WEAPON:PISTOL_SWORD_GNORM]
[WEAPON:METAL_WHIP_GNORM]
[WEAPON:METAL_AXE_GNORM]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_LANCE_STL]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SCIMITAR_STL]
[DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK_STL]
[WEAPON:SMALL_HATCHET_HLG]
[AMMO:BULLET_GNORM]
[SHIELD:METAL_SHIELD_GNORM]
[TOOL:GEAR_GNORM]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_WHEELBARROW]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_HIVE]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_HONEYCOMB]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_NEST_BOX]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_JUG]
[TRAPCOMP:ITEM_TRAPCOMP_ENORMOUSCORKSCREW]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_CLOCKWORK_ARMOR_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_CLOCKWORK_LEGGINGS_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_CLOCKWORK_BOOTS_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_CLOCKWORK_GAUNTLET_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_CLOCKWORK_HELM_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_PISTOL_SWORD_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_METAL_WHIP_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_METAL_AXE_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:FORGE_METAL_SHIELD_GNORM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BREW_HONEYWINE_STL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:EXTRACT_CELESTIUM_STL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CAST_CRUDE_ANVIL_HLG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE_HLG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ADD_SHOVEL_TIP_TO_CUDGEL_HLG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:IRIDIUM_MAKING_STAGE1_LKR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:IRIDIUM_MAKING_STAGE2_LKR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:COAL_TO_COKE_SKH]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PREPARE_APPLE_TREES_KPT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:DRY_LEAVES_PURPLE_REM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CHURN_BUTTER_PUTNAM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CHEESE_PUTNAM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_MILK_PUTNAM]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:LUMBERYARD]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:PEAT_TO_COKE_SKH]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:ARMORY]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:ARSENAL]
        ...

[WillowLuman]

How many embarks have you tried? Does it happen every time?

[Gnorm]

How many embarks have you tried? Does it happen every time?

Every time; any explanation?

[WillowLuman]

Still pondering. They'll fish, but they won't do ANYTHING else? Will they clean or remove buildings at least? (You'll have to build something as another civ then reclaim to test that one.)

[Gnorm]

They seem to be able to build and use buildings (I brought along some blue obsidian to the embark). The designations are the problem, it seems.

[WillowLuman]

So they will move materials. They can do some things that require objects in fort mode. Will they haul?