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Author Topic: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.  (Read 524692 times)

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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1995 on: September 13, 2013, 02:27:10 pm »

I want to allow for free will, and not say that everyone would just sit around without "divine inspiration." Sometimes people go exploring because they want to see what's undiscovered, sometimes people hunt great beasts because they want glory or to protect their people. I just don't like the idea of everything being by divine inspiration, because then characters have only "the gods told me to" as their motivation for anything aside passively existing, and they become boring puppets.
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« Reply #1996 on: September 13, 2013, 02:36:58 pm »

It sounds very promising so far. The cold facts were

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but that's a much nicer spin on things.

If we're to be gods in this myth, which is fun :P, I'm a bit opposed, on a personal level, to "Greater" and "Lesser" creators because I feel that puts more merit on the other, while to it me it seems that this project will absolutely die if there's no players and no stories, and nobody will want to mod if there's no buzz and no interest and no fantasy, so anyone who submits good stories should definitely be on equal terms with anybody who has modded a few creatures...

I would easier see these in theological terms in relation to the world as both are transcendent (from outside the world), some are emanant, "outsiders" (the world is created from them, but they do not dwell in it) vs. some are immanent, "insiders" (the ones who dwell and are involved in the world). That's what it's come to anyway. And then separate from all is the material world.

On the other hand if it doesn't seem like it bothers people then no issue.

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« Reply #1997 on: September 13, 2013, 02:42:01 pm »

We could do the traditional thing and have the narrating characters bear responsibility for the story. That way we have "The God of Arthropods" and "The tale of mastertea", instead of "The god of the tale of mastertea".
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1998 on: September 13, 2013, 03:12:33 pm »

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« Reply #1999 on: September 13, 2013, 03:17:44 pm »

That setup still doesn't allow for free will in adventurers, or for fortress overseers to be anything but gods.
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« Reply #2000 on: September 13, 2013, 03:21:55 pm »

Acting as if, mind. They aren't actually, but they do feats none other would think of doing.

And yeah, that latter part's true. That's why it's open-ended :P I can't write well enough.

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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2001 on: September 13, 2013, 03:24:33 pm »

What about idiots like me, who come up with half-assed creations that then get fixed, added to and then entered?
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2002 on: September 13, 2013, 03:30:05 pm »

We should also allow for in-world deities to do these things, like "Kendebrarth, Thereposa God" inspiring people to do stuff. Else, what are these generated deities good for?

I think it would be cool if the players came up with "god names" for all the modders. We've already got "The Entomologist" :D
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« Reply #2003 on: September 13, 2013, 04:24:55 pm »

What site type would be best to represent a monastery or abbey?

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« Reply #2004 on: September 13, 2013, 04:43:21 pm »

Why do Scimitars have four attacks?

Slash, Stab, Hack, and Impale.
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« Reply #2005 on: September 13, 2013, 04:52:35 pm »

I think Impale is meant to be something like this:

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« Reply #2006 on: September 13, 2013, 05:01:51 pm »

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« Reply #2007 on: September 13, 2013, 05:23:43 pm »

So, I just need to know 2 things:

-I can have FORTRESS as the default site type, limiting each Adherent civ to a single monastery, but it only works if I have no positions defined. Or, I can have them form hamlets/towns, spreading out, but each can have it's own Abbot. Which would be better?

-If a civ has clothing but only some casts of the creature have [EQUIPS], will only those castes wear clothing?
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2008 on: September 13, 2013, 07:35:27 pm »

To be absolutely honest, I'd rather stray away from the phrases "Greater Creator" and "Lesser Creator", for reasons already mentioned above.

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Perhaps not the most original idea*, and I figure with a little tweaking it could be better. It's missing some rather major points, but it's mainly a base to work a more coherent idea off of.

Depending on how aware the cherubs are, I imagine the creation myth and Armoks place in it would figure into roleplay for adventure mode quite a bit. BTW, for some reason I picture the cherubs a being somewhat contemptuous of other living things, how accurate would you lot find that?

*partially based on a discussion I had with someone else, and I imagine they would write it somewhat differently and the end result would vary from mine to a decent extent, but I think I got most of the main points. They also frequent this thread, so I suppose they can add in or correct any details I got wrong when they read it in the morning.
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2009 on: September 13, 2013, 08:27:59 pm »

Well, until the Cherubim, we had been moving away from a traditional "armok-centered" mythology. But now He's got His scabby thumb in our pie, for better or for worse.
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