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ChairmanPoo

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Re: Protests in Brazil
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2013, 03:26:53 pm »

Massive (5 to 10 minutes long, but big when it comes to the situation) pronouncement by the president ended right now. Short version, she said the government was wrong in many aspects, repeated her (pre-protests) idea to bring foreign medics since none of the local ones want to work in the clusterfuck that currently is brazilian public health,
I'm not Brazilian, but I can give info on that last bit because that "generous" offer made the rounds in the medical community a few weeks ago. To be brief, it kind of sucks very much. She basically wants to hire foreign doctors for way less than national ones would cost(which makes the offer miserly), and cover regions where nobody wants to go (mostly underdeveloped areas deep inside the jungle, or so I understand). The Medical Board here has expressed serious doubts about the whole deal. (Working conditions, material,et al). I've heard it described as "humanitarian cooperation" rather than a job offer proper
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Re: Protests in Brazil
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2013, 03:59:07 pm »

my city had about 8000 people protesting under heavy rain last Thursday(20), probably there were many more people but the official numbers are being manipulated (on the other hand, other events, the ones that improve the international image of the country have their numbers increased a lot)
Uh, no they are not. Why not? Because 1: the only government-owned news network didn't cover it at all, and 2: the news-related corporations have been pretty much anti-government since a few reporters got shot with rubber bullets (one of them was shot in the head and had to undergo plastic surgery).

Well, I said probably, they may be correct, but your reasons are not good because the numbers don't come from the media but from the police and/or an specialized institute.
I said they may be manipulated is because other events that covered almost the same area (which is the base for the calculations) got numbers significantly higher, for example some carnival parades got the number of 1 million people while the same area was considered to have 100 thousand people in the protests.
this raises the question of which number is the most correct or both are manipulated
but they may be correct

speaking of the police,
in some of the most peaceful protests the police even marched along with the protesters.
police over-reaction in some protests very probably came from the policemen being scared of the situation (which doesn't justify, but probably was the cause), imagine you having to control 1000 people that may become furious at you. (this is speculation, don't yell at me if I'm wrong, and I don't ignore the cases were the over-reaction had no causes, either way they were wrong)
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2013, 02:01:12 pm »

What's going on there seems like what's going on in my country, Turkey. People are protesting peacefully for something simple and police starts killing some random protester or beating people up for no reason and everyone starts protesting like it's a part-time job. Our government is very corrupt too but the people are like sheep so they are easy to keep docile. Still, everyone is sick of living with a $1k income when the PM's son is sailing around with a gigantic ship.

I think we should expect similar protests against corrupt governments at other countries too. I hope this movement will become something and the people will get rid of these corrupt politicians fucking around.

Anyway, good luck to you. Can't say I know much about Brazil but I heard about the corruption there. Try not to risk yourself too much and don't forget that vinegar and milk helps when your eyes feels like they are about to bleed out.
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Re: Protests in Brazil
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2013, 03:05:58 pm »

So, news: corruption is now, by law, considered as bad as murder and rape, and thus someone that is accused of it cannot pay a bail. Not much, but it's a start.
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Re: Protests in Brazil
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2013, 08:47:28 pm »

most protests here are peaceful and the police only starts to react when there is vandalism or aggression
(as the sparkle of the protests was police over-reaction, police was told to be more careful)
probably most policemen agree with the protests but they have the job of keeping the order
unfortunately they are over-reacting in some places
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Re: Protests in Brazil
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2013, 12:09:44 pm »

What are the protests currently like? Have any of their demands been met?
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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2013, 05:07:57 pm »

What are the protests currently like? Have any of their demands been met?
There have been some law changes, but the healthcare ones were somewhat ill-recieved by medics, at least one politician was arrested as per the new laws and several others had to reimburse the government as they used airforce planes to go to weddings, take their family to games, etc.

The protests themselves are still going, but the violence is far less than before thanks to protesters themselves turning in vandals to the police.
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