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[mainiac]

You can bribe them, but if their relations with you are poor it won't get you high enough to convert. Most of them hated my guts though so I found the headsman's axe a more effective tool for restoring the faith.

History will remember that my one great mistake was preventing my wife from killing you when she had the chance.

[Wiles]

History will remember that my one great mistake was preventing my wife from killing you when she had the chance.

How did your wife end up Sunni? Did that happen after you died?

Your other son probably would have made a great Catholic emperor had he made it to the throne. Somehow his betrothal to the Queen of Aquitaine fell through though - not sure why. I was planning to leave him alone until he had an heir with a claim from the marriage.

[mainiac]

How did your wife end up Sunni? Did that happen after you died?

Your other son probably would have made a great Catholic emperor had he made it to the throne. Somehow his betrothal to the Queen of Aquitaine fell through though - not sure why. I was planning to leave him alone until he had an heir with a claim from the marriage.

First wife or second wife?  I wan't paying attention to the first one and the second one was christian when I kicked it.

Yes, the second son would have made a great emperor indeed.  I was expecting him to be a second Trajan who would reunite east and west and leave Charlemagne in the dust.  Instead I got you.

If someone switched to seniority succession we could still unite Wendish and Greek dynasties.

[Digital Hellhound]

You weirdo Christianity-lover. Your name will be a black mark in the annals of our glorious, definitely non-Abrahamic dynasty. Even Kunos I will be more highly regarded than you!

[mainiac]

Heh, there wouldn't even have been an empire if it weren't for my conversion.  About 80% of the empire was in some sort of faction and I had crap demense.  Religious revocations were what I used to diffuse that situation.  You pagan scum should honor me as the man who saved your fleabitten religion.

[Dutchling]

I'm slightly disappointed that, despite my efforts to get the names of the first three kings to become iconic dynastic names, it's Butavas that has become a common name for our rulers.

The only thing I can think of when I read that is Butters, which is not a very royal name >.>

[Wiles]

I named my first son Palemon but his sister murdered him. 

[PanH]

Butavas is a perfectly fine name ! I was kinda happy when my 3 sons died (well, sad too), and that another Butavas would inherit.

[Dutchling]

It's the most retarded name so far >.>

And guess what the name of my sons is... I guess seniority or elective is the way to go

[PanH]

Any progress ? Also, Wiles, which son assassinated you ? The current emperor ?

[Dutchling]

A little. I put some related woman on the Byzzie Throne. Luckily managed to convert her before that. Now I just need to not get into a succession war while trying to keep the ERE throne safe as well.

I'm also going to change succession laws from gavelkind/primo ASAP. I just can't stand the name 'Butavas'. My eldest son will not inherit >.>

[Dutchling]

I lost a bunch of screenshots, and I'm not very good at writing this stuff down, so bear with me .

Spoiler: Part I of the Rule of Emperor Butavas III of the Lithuanian Empire (click to show/hide)

(seriously, why the hell is the name of the Wendish Empire not dependent on culture...)

The rule of Butavas III began with a war to put his aunt on the Byzantine throne. The superior Lithuanian armies were more than enough to beat the Byzantines, who had to deal with not just the Lithuanians, but other Greeks as well, as the Abkhazian duke  was pressing a claim of yet another woman for the throne. The war was soon won, but the duke of Abkhazia dud not give up. to the contrary, once it became clear the new empress was not only a foreigner but also a heathen, and was not planning to convert to orthodoxy any time soon, all of the old loyalists joined the rebellious duke. That was no hyperbole. ALL vassals joined, with the exceptions of children and barons.

The Lithuanian armies were again too strong and thousands of Greek soldiers fell to the Lithuanian heavy infantry. When Butavas III saw that an army larger than his own was sieging Constantinople he almost despaired, but luckily the Abkhazian duke heard of the slaughter of his allies in Greece, and without realizing he still had a reasonable chance for victory he surrendered.

All but four vassals (ignoring barons, bishops, and mayors) were imprisoned and the new pagan empress slowly began demanding the prisoners to convert to the Romuva faith, revoking the titles of those who refused.

Mean while, Emperor Butavas III was trying to kill his brother, who was king of Lithuania, Pommerania, and Bohemia, but after years of trying, he just did not manage to do it.
In the end he decided to imprison him with some weak excuse. The king's fellow vassals did not care. much of the treasury Butavas III inherited from his father was spent on bribes so the usually rebellious empire was, internally, at peace.

Stranger things happened in Persia, however. A second Gnostic liberator had appeared, and this time the Muslims did not manage to subvert to Persians again.

Butavas III hated his eldest kid. Fuck you Butters.



(At first I thought this was a bug, having a vassal of the same culture, same religion, same dynasty, and 100 religion starting an independence faction... Sending a spymaster to scheme in their capital stops shenanigans like this though.)

Right now the Byzantines have started another war against the empress. This time, however, most if not all of the vassals all Romuva themselves.

Spoiler: Part II of the Rule of Emperor Butavas III of the Lithuanian Empire (click to show/hide)

The rest of Butavas' reign was can summarized with one word: Rebellion. No Lithuanian rebels, but Greek ones. Sure, there were some rebellious vassals, but never more than one at the same time, so they are not really worth talking about. The Greek, or Roman as they like to call themselves, were a lot more rebellious. Empress Roze I managed to convert most of the Orthodox heathens to the One True Romuva Faith, but they still refused to call themselves Lithuanian. Barbarians...

The citizens of Constantinople however, were truly civilized!

Things escalated until one of the few remaining heathens decided to send an assassin to to the benevolent Roze. Revenge was quickly had, but true retribution still had to wait. The rebel armies were still ravaging through the empire. The enemies in Greece were largely destroyed but there were still many enemies in the anatalion, Armenian, and Georgian parts of the Byzantine Empire, and Butavas III had to kill every last one of those if he wanted to secure to rule of his kinsman, Emperor Lasukas I.


Around this time it became clear that his useless son Butavas was a dirty hippie. Before he could change the succession laws and prevent him from inheriting the empire, which he clearly does not deserve!, Butavas III needed to finish the endless rebellions in the Byzantine Empire.

Sadly, that did not went terribly well. While the Lithuanian soldiers are hard to kill, the Lithuanian nobles are not.

Dead. And Butavas the hippie inherits the empire. It is a true tragedy.

The three Palomtaitian Emperors.

(I think the dynasty's CoA changed twice during all this >.<)

I will upload the save asap.

[PanH]

Afaik, Kings not of your dejure empire will always ask for independance.

[kaian-a-coel]

Afaik, Kings not of your dejure empire will always ask for independance.

I never played CKII but it draws my interest. What's "de jure" and what basis does it have?

[Dutchling]

By law. Every title has a de jure liege, which may or may not be the same as the de facto liege.