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[Fefek]

Firstly - hello guys (and girls, if any (?)). That's my first post here - I've been reading a lot, but now the time has come to contribute a bit to these great forums. Usually if something was unclear for me, I just looked through wiki or forum and were finding the answer. Until today, when I have totally no idea what to think about my new artifact, which is...

I proudly present you Kezatnanir, The Dangerous Rhyme (pretty cool name, huh?), a bronze training sword.



It was made by my moody cook (and dabbling weaponsmith) with preference for training swords. I'm not an expert in all weapon !science!, wiki says it has the same properties and attacks like a normal sword, but all damage is "blunt" instead of "edge". Will it suck in real battle, if yes (presumably) - how much?

[Loud Whispers]

Normally I'd say it'd behave like a tourney sword with blunt edges, but with DF physics it could just as well become a lightsabre. How does it perform against goblins?

[Mr. Palau]

Not as bad as an Admantine war hammer, but probably worse than a regular copper sword.

Swords are horrible blunt weapons IIRC, so it should suck.

[Urist McKoga]

Sorry for my poor english, trying to do my best here:

The only difference between a short sword and a training sword ( and it is this single difference that makes this artifct sucks ) is the penetration.
The power of the short sword (and any slash weapon) is the high contact area and high penetration. That is why we can decapitate goblins heads so easy. Because training sword have high contact area, but no penetration (the (4000) value on wiki is a negative value so is actually a 0 penetration) all hits are like blunt hits. But are weak blunt atack because of low size (300)and high contact area ( this is very important, war hammer and mace have really low contact area[10 and 20], so the damage is concentrated in a small area). So i am sorry, this is a really bad weapon. Even a metal crossbow do a better damage than this.

2 options:

-Build a weapon trap and put in a room to increase the value of the room.
-Make others training sword, give to a sword squad and let then beat the wild (because of low damage, every creature survive more hits, and hits = exp) or prisoners (just don't forget to take off weapons).

Oh, nice name and don't be mad, you got a legendary weaponsmith 

[Urist Da Vinci]

Sorry for my poor english, trying to do my best here:

The only difference between a short sword and a training sword ( and it is this single difference that makes this artifct sucks ) is the penetration.
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False, the difference is that all training swords have blunt edges, so it can't cut anything. It is essentially a bronze club. It has a larger contact area than the other blunt weapons, so it will likely do less damage on torso hits. It will smash fingers just as well as any other blunt weapon (contact area is capped by the body part's calculated contact area).

Penetration doesn't matter for blunt weapons.

[Brewster]

[Urist McKoga]

Oh now i see, in the raws the only difference is the BLUNT and EDGE things, thanks for clarifying.

[Tirion]

It will be the ideal weapon for a dodge-me trap.

[Kaos]

It'd make a good weapon for a hammerer (can they use anything but hammers?), it's basically a slap stick, it's main slash attack it's ridiculous for a blunt weapon, it'd probably cause minor bruises.

[Sergarr]

Sorry for my poor english, trying to do my best here:

The only difference between a short sword and a training sword ( and it is this single difference that makes this artifct sucks ) is the penetration.
...

False, the difference is that all training swords have blunt edges, so it can't cut anything. It is essentially a bronze club. It has a larger contact area than the other blunt weapons, so it will likely do less damage on torso hits. It will smash fingers just as well as any other blunt weapon (contact area is capped by the body part's calculated contact area).

Penetration doesn't matter for blunt weapons.

Penetration does matter for blunt attacks. It determines whether a muscle-bone-internal organ ensemble goes "bruised-broken-bruised" or "bruised-broken-lacerated by bone fragments" when hit.

One of these two statements isn't right.

[Repseki]

It'd make a good weapon for a hammerer (can they use anything but hammers?), it's basically a slap stick, it's main slash attack it's ridiculous for a blunt weapon, it'd probably cause minor bruises.

I believe Hammerers need actual hammers of some type. At least from what I remember someone else saying.

[chevil]

It'd make a good weapon for a hammerer (can they use anything but hammers?), it's basically a slap stick, it's main slash attack it's ridiculous for a blunt weapon, it'd probably cause minor bruises.

I believe Hammerers need actual hammers of some type. At least from what I remember someone else saying.

Hammeres use only hammers. If there are no hammers he will use his fists. If he has no fists he will bite or kick.

[Loctavus]

Hammeres use only hammers. If there are no hammers he will use his fists. If he has no fists he will bite or kick.

You might want to consider a change in career for him at this point. Even without arms he might make a decent military trainer.

[Mr S]

Are you kidding?!  Without arms he is the PERFECT Hammerer!!  I want to see him lose a lower leg, hobble down the hallways clutching a -Featherwood Crutch- between his chin and shoulder, and headbutt criminals!

[Fenrisson]

I couldnt resist: