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[RangerCado]

I know, but I'd rather do something with an assassin than not.

And as for nations with assassins/seducers... Outside of world rituals, those I can think of Early Age are Abysia, Pan, Bertyos, Lanka, and Mictan I believe. They all have assassins/seducers in the form of recruitable, or a viable summon. (Bertyos, Lanks, and Mictan being heavy blood nations)

[E. Albright]

All ages of Caelam and Ragha have two national-summon seducers since 4.08; all eras of Hinnom/Berytos have one; both eras of Rus have four (!); EA Arco has a recruitable one; EA Pan has two recruitable and MA/LA each have one; BL has one summoned, and Lanka has one as a pretender; and last but certainly not least, both eras of Mari and LA Pythium have a little somethin' for the ladies (recruitable troubadours and summoned satyrs, respectively).

Assassins are a lot more widespread; just look here.

In fact, for seducers, just look here and here.

So those nations with both would be Mari (ish/pretty much), Py (ish), Lanka (sorta), Abysia (pretty much), Xibalba (more or less), Mictlan (pretty much), BL (pretty much), and the Ruses, by my estimate. Although any blood-heavy nation can add themselves to this list through the magic of Black Hearts and Succubi.

One of the absolute best defenses against assassins (though by no means a foolproof one) is a couple of levels of Ench/Conj and if needed, a handful of gems. This obviously only works for certain sorts of mages, though. 

[Rez]

Weren't people raving about how great d1 was, because it opened skele-spam up for assassins and commanders?

[E. Albright]

Yes. But not so much because it lets you summon skeletons yourself (though it does), but because it lets you forge skellie spamulets. The difference between those two is 20/30 fatigue (skellie/soulless, respectively) and 5 fatigue (the spamulet). Being able to pump out 20 longdead before you tire out is much more brutal than being able to pump out 4-5.

[Frumple]

... and, of course, that 5 fatigue/turn is considerably less of an issue to mitigate. Extra gem cost on that (probably, anyway), but still...

Also makes the amulets really nice on just about anything sacred (not just assassins) if you've got an earth bless and they've got nothing better to do. Or just anything, if you've got the bless and are willing to make the gem outlay 5d5s

Or some variation of... other stuff. Minor reinvig's fairly common, and even two points of it nearly doubles the amount of skeletons an amulet can put out. Those amulets are really sexy :3

[E. Albright]

I know it's already mentioned in the SALES! thread, but it can't hurt to bump this thread to mention that for the next 16h Dom4 is 75% off on Steam, so not quite $9 for this lovely thing ATM.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

Is there a game starting? Just picked up Dom4 from Steam and feel the need to dive right in without any testing on my part. Oh and on that note what are the most important bullet point differences from 3?

[Elfeater]

Is there a game starting? Just picked up Dom4 from Steam and feel the need to dive right in without any testing on my part. Oh and on that note what are the most important bullet point differences from 3?

There is a noob game starting up pretty soon

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

Good probably have a few with the steam sale and what not Also good because I didn't feel like jumping into admining a game before playing in one.

[EnigmaticHat]

Is there a game starting? Just picked up Dom4 from Steam and feel the need to dive right in without any testing on my part. Oh and on that note what are the most important bullet point differences from 3?

There is a noob game starting up pretty soon

In theory.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

Who is supposedly starting it?

[E. Albright]

Oh and on that note what are the most important bullet point differences from 3?

• A lot of the most powerful mages take 2 turns to recruit ("slow to recruit")
• All weapons have damage types, with different behaviors and the possibility of resistances
• Elemental resistence is numeric instead of percentage
• A ton of UI improvements
• Most gemgens now provide temporary battle gems instead of providing stockpilable gems
• A lot more useful spells, and a lot more that scale with caster power
• No more reverse communions
• Some nations have out-of-fort ("foreign") recruitment
• Forts are all the same per nation, regardless of terrain, but can be upgraded
• Terrain movement rules are slightly less forgiving
• ...I'm sure I'm forgetting several huge things, but...

[Shadowlord]

You can march circles around your enemies in the right places if you understand the terrain movement rules.

[RexMundi]

Who is supposedly starting it?

I am, thread is in play with your buddies. voting on map wrap, already decided early era. in the morning for me i'm genning like, 4-8 maps to vote on. while map voting i plan on pming people to confirm entries and set up llamaserver

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

Hmm, you seem to have 8 players already in it. That is a good round number for a game of new players. I will probably start my own game later then.