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[USEC_OFFICER]

I can't find a source on it (or remember/find the hotkey to display the by-side rout numbers in combat), but I'm pretty sure autosummons don't count against the autorout calculation.

I can confirm through anecdotal evidence that the lions don't cause the pretender to rout. Besides, with 30 Morale and more than twice the HP of the lionesses, would it even be a problem?

[Frumple]

Unless you're talking about disciples, having a dominion with a minor Earth bless will do nothing for the pretender's survivability.

*blinks* Oh... odd. For some reason, my memory was telling me there's some way to get reinvig via caster levels. Do believe that was a mistake on my part, yeah.

Though it would do a little, ha. E levels come with some prot

I can confirm through anecdotal evidence that the lions don't cause the pretender to rout. Besides, with 30 Morale and more than twice the HP of the lionesses, would it even be a problem?

If it counts, it counts. Autorout is autorout. But yeah, if they're not enough to trigger the HP threshold it probably wouldn't be an issue. Was operating under the assumption they did and were sufficient, heh.

If it doesn't, then not so much of a problem. Doesn't help the poor lass much, but it wasn't as bad as I thought.

[USEC_OFFICER]

If it doesn't, then not so much of a problem. Doesn't help the poor lass much, but it wasn't as bad as I thought.

Honestly, the only time I've seen her route was when both of the lions died, and she was down to around one tenth of her health. Otherwise she was perfectly fine with fighting it out to the death.

Also, eyeloss shield is pretty damn awesome. Especially with awe, since they'd lose an eye even if they can't beat it.

[Frumple]

Haha, oh yes. Several of the shields are kinda' incredible, and the eyeloss one is one of the earliest ones available. Excellent on defensive critters for just ruining entire armies, heh.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Haha, oh yes. Several of the shields are kinda' incredible, and the eyeloss one is one of the earliest ones available. Excellent on defensive critters for just ruining entire armies, heh.

Yep. I assume that it's useless on the undead, but then again most armies aren't undead. Add in some regen and good defence and... start laughing, I guess. Or at least until magic comes into play.

[E. Albright]

Honestly, the only time I've seen her route was when both of the lions died, and she was down to around one tenth of her health. Otherwise she was perfectly fine with fighting it out to the death.

I did a quick test of throwing her into hostile dominion that started her at 15 HP, and she roundly ignored the lionesses' deaths in multiple battles. I also tried it with the lion-headed male pretender who starts with a random number of lions and saw him laugh off their deaths in a battle where he started with 5-6 of them and 15-ish HP. I'm nigh to certain escorts don't count for routing.

[BFEL]

Am I the only one who has experimented with an "Ultrabless" strategy?

This was obviously against AI, but I made a imprisoned crone with full negative scales and just tacked on basically ALL the magic levels.
It...didn't work out too well, but with some refinement I think it could work for something like R'lyeh or LA Ermor where your scales do pretty much nothing.

Also, I remember when a strategy of mine was to take 3 Turmoil and 3 Luck, for hilarious amounts of awesome random events.

[Frumple]

Better is Turmoil 2, oddly enough. You get less events, but turmoil 3 has a great deal of nasty events that get enabled (either that or gain much higher likelihood... it was one of the two). I run 2T/3L quite often. Nearly the same amount of glorious random events, considerably less barbarian invasions.

The closest thing to a problem with the ultrabless is that most of the nations that don't get crippled by scales that bad don't really have the sacreds to pull off a bless strat. The exception might actually be LA Ermor in D4, though. Consuls are freaking beasts* even without a bless. Though that's more an "SCs SCs everywhere" strat than your conventional bless strat. Sorta' like Jotun occasionally does with those big frost giants, iirc.

*They're basically half cost, zero research wraith lords.

[AlStar]

Quick: if I buy this, will there be a Bay12 multiplayer game that I can get my noob ass kicked in?

I'm currently in a major waffle mode with the 50% sale that's going on.

[E. Albright]

We've got two games going right now; both are in a fairly advanced state with multiple players knocked out. I'd be surprised if you couldn't put a game together.

[Farce]

Sweet.  Finally got around to trying to put Dom into windowed mode to keep it from crashing forever until I uninstalled/restarted/reinstalled, and it totally works.

I loved Dom 3, but never played multiplayer - just mucked about in single and occasionally played hotseat with my bro them (which more often than not died out before anything happened).  Effective builds and strategies elude me pretty bad, but I enjoy mucking about.

Kinda miss the game listing your titles when you make your pretender, though.  "All hail Fennag" is a lot less impressive than "All hail Fennag, Lord of Bones, Keeper of the Secrets, God of Blood, Stevedore of Flies" and all that rot.  I know it's still in, though, cuz' I recall seeing it at some point in an annoucement - I think a Pretender death or something.

[E. Albright]

The titles just get generated when the game starts instead of when the pretender is made. It makes it so you can't re-gen pretenders until you get one with nondescript titles to hide your paths.

[Farce]

People do that?  Weeeak.

So where do I dig that up, then?  Pretender description?

[Delta Foxtrot]

Titles are found at the bottom of the pretender description, yes.

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So I actually played Ur a bit today. Against indies their troops seem good, if somewhat expensive. Naked lady of love and war got mangled by most indies early on. She definitely needs some buffs/gear to get going. But at fairly basic titan stats, flying and inbuilt awe, she has the potential to bust some heads. You could take her awake and research alt or const for a few levels, not sure if it's worth it. Right now I feel that Ur could do best with a dormant pretender to max our some scales or to get a nice cheap bless (like A4E4 or E4+). The sacred troops don't seem worth a major bless and their best non-fort mage isn't sacred either so I'm reluctant to vouch for anything higher than say E6.

I really like the intrinsic flying Love&War has, but I guess it's not a must since Ur has plenty of A2 mages. You could replicate the effect with flying boots for non-flying titans, but you can get reinvig+2 boots of the messenger (+3 in the next patch) instead. Other gods in the pantheon have flying too, but I'm not sure if others have as good paths as Love&War has.

Certainly looks like a workable nation. I'd probably research alteration early on, there's a bunch of good AWEN spells there that your nationals can cast that would help you keep those pricy 17g chaff units alive. Foo-warriors, arrow fend, some offensive stuff and buffs for the dormant god. Yeah, I think that's worth looking into.

Expansion seemed pretty swell against low to mid strength indies with some spear guards for arrow bait and unarmoured enkidu soldiers a bit to the back ready to hack away with their hatchets.

[USEC_OFFICER]

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Good to know that Ur doesn't completely suck.

Seriously though, EA Ur is the only nation in Doms 4 that really interests me. Their shamans are amazing and recruit everywhere, their archers are equipped with longbows, they have giants for troops, excellent leaders/generals, and lots of fun stuff. I can't wait for an EA game to really play them.