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[Harbingerjm]

I agree mainly with Harbingerjm, but maybe instituting democracy so early is a bad idea?

Well, we've already instituted it, just on a smaller scale. We're not actually going to give the people political power for a long, long time, if ever, but they don't know that. So long as we draw the process out but make sure to make gradual improvements, distracting the people as appropriate with fear of foreigners, festivals, etc, and improve our own ability to take care of any peasant uprisings that might occur, we should be ok.

Kill people at random [/joke]

Make alliances with nearby villages, try to obtain another farming village, if possible. Set up beginnings of relations for future trade.

Agreed.

[agertor]

Emissaries are sent to the surround three nations. A bit of talking it was easy to find that the Kingdom of Koran and the Free States of Koran were at war. The Free States were attempting to fight for their own freedom, while the Kingdom fought to end the civil war. The Kingdom of Drella is quite, militarily, powerful in comparison to yours. Speaking with Drella results in small negotiations, while they won't let you waltz into their city or villages. They will allow some trade. This increases your economy slightly. Talking with both Korans begins a fiasco with both nations however. They will not agree with you to be friendly with both. The Free states are weak and the kingdom is strong with military. However the Free States have a good portion of the old economy of the kingdom. You fail to negotiate any trade with either nation, and now they send word back that they wish for your aid in the war. The good news, this gives you information about each military.

Currently, some people were not ready to give even more freedom to the people, they are already appeased after all. At the very least they will not try this again completely soon.

Free States of Koran
They have no generals
Their peasant army is rallied
Their peasant army is supplied
Their manpower is tiny

The Kingdom of Koran
They have two generals
Their army is rallied
Their army is under-supplied
Their manpower is small.


Kingdom of Northern Kiwiland
Your royal purple flag waves in the air proud.

You have 1 capital city (-3 food)
You have 3 farming villages(3 food)
You have 1 mining village(1 supply)

You have 1 general
Your army is intimidated
Your weapons are supplied(-1 supply)
Your manpower is small

Your laws are unfair
Freedoms are tiny
The economy is okay (+1 supply)

We have +1 extra supply. You could try to recruit more men, or you could oversupply your army, this would gain morale. Or you could leave it for trade with another, or do with it as you please.

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[Harbingerjm]

Hmmm. Support the FSK, support the KK, or support neither? I'd say put them off for now, saying that we're currently repairing the damage done in our own abortive rebellion, then:
1) Comb our army and kingdom for potential candidates to learn from our general.
2) Use our supplies to improve our army morale.
3) Gather more information on who is to the south of the FSK and KK, and what their diplomatic situation regarding the civil war is.
4) Attempt to recruit more men, but for now keep them in training, sort of like a village militia or whatever.
5) Institute a defense tax on landholders, that can be paid by pretty much any method of supporting the defense of the kingdom. Maintaining fortifications, supplying troops, providing fighters, whatever.

[Aseaheru]

Lets support the FSK, first by trade, but when we get dudes recruited send out our standing army. Or most of it. otherwise i am just a +1 for harb.

Also get lotsa trade with tKoD

[Harbingerjm]

Lets support the FSK, first by trade, but when we get dudes recruited send out our standing army. Or most of it. otherwise i am just a +1 for harb.

Also get lotsa trade with tKoD

Actually, the purpose of most of my post was to hopefully set us up in a good position to absorb both, depending on what we find out about their allies and how their war goes while we're preparing.

[Aseaheru]

We may absorb them anyways.

Also, think we can get our laws a tiny bit more fair?

[Harbingerjm]

We may absorb them anyways.

Also, think we can get our laws a tiny bit more fair?

I just don't really want to start allied with one side and then find out, oops, the guys down south were betting for the other team and now our allies are getting mauled and there goes our chances. If we stay uninvolved with a decent excuse (which ours is, the KK can sympathise with us having to deal with uppity peasants and the FSK should approve of our peaceful resolution and commitment to improving the lot of the commoners), we stand a much better chance of profiting regardless of what happens.
As for our laws, it's a bit hard to say without knowing what they actually are, but ideally we will improve them fairly soon.

[Aseaheru]

Ah. good points.

As for the laws, what do you want to bet they are something like "all courts are in Latin" while everyone speaks Chinese or something...

[Harbingerjm]

Ah. good points.

As for the laws, what do you want to bet they are something like "all courts are in Latin" while everyone speaks Sheep or something...

Wouldn't surprise me, along with "serfs can't bring charges against nobles" (shortly to be a lot less important given there will be a lot less serfs), "what the king says goes" (also no longer important, unless Elvis turns up), and suchlike.

[agertor]

As for what was agreed from the council, it seems the FSK as they now call it to make the name easier and faster to say, is to be traded with. Military action would not be supported for either. However the KK as seen sees this as a semi aggressive policy. You have a direct land trade with the FSK and this gets you a good supply from them. The KK sail their ships to your territory, their ships floating to form a small disruptive and intimidating line to the eastern seas. Their armies wait on your borders, feeling you may be aggressive. The FSK accept the trade eagerly as this helps their own army, and they would accept this to attempt to fight for their own freedom. The KK are not aggressively coming onto your land, however trading with the FSK has led them to believe you may try to surprise attack instead of properly declaring war it seems.

Your army reacts to the waiting on the border to wait on your own side. The armies stare at each other, word travels quickly that a war may start from either side. Your own ships sail into your harbors, keeping their ships from simply coming in. Some supplies are put out into the armies morale and recruitment. This left some supplies left over to mess around with. You can not sail at this time because of the blockade of the port. The FSK will also not reveal who is to the south of them, it is of no concern to you they say. You could sail past their waters but that may be shown to be aggressive. The landholder tax act is specifically aimed at all nobles. No man at this point simply owns land. The nobles are the only that do. With money coming from their pockets, they are not happy, while they are few, they operate the economy at this point, owning the merchants and the roads. For now, they pay the extra tax, but you shouldn't expect continued compliance.

As for a general, your general says that the men are inexperienced, and not to expect much. You view them in training, but none are better than the others by much. Their intelligence is basic. It seems your current general is the only one who can be a strategist from past experiences.


Kingdom of Northern Kiwiland
Your royal purple flag waves in the air proud.

You have 1 capital city (-3 food)
You have 3 farming villages(3 food)
You have 1 mining village(1 supply)

You have 1 general
Your army is ready(-1 supply)
Your weapons are supplied(-1 supply)
Your manpower is small-medium (-1 supply)

Your laws are unfair
Freedoms are tiny
The economy is great (+4 supply)
Taxes are felt to be unfair for the nobles(+1 supply)

We have +2 extra supply.

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[Aseaheru]

Right then. Lets spend a supply improving our roads or something similar, it helps us fight and it helps the citizens trade and travel.
Lets spend the other on training the army.

[Harbingerjm]

Wait, what? I said we shouldn't get involved with the FSK/KK war T.T
Damn.

Ok, tell our nobles "Good news! Getting information about our neighbours and their neighbours through your merchants and other such interests counts for your tax!" Also point out to them (discreetly) that the tax is fairly small compared to a noble's/established landholders income (or should be), but is a deterrant to other people buying land and thus becoming competition. Plus, if they are any kind of smart, after the last revolt they should be quite eager to, say, put money into improving the defences of the location they live (presumably the city), which counts for tax purposes.
Agreed on improving roads, but let's put both the two spare supply (assuming we don't lose one from that tax, if it truly is a huge chunk of their income or whatever we should dial it back a bit) to work on infrastructure. Our ports could do with some improved defences, and improved facilities.

[escaped lurker]

Right then. Lets spend a supply improving our roads or something similar, it helps us fight and it helps the citizens trade and travel.
Lets spend the other on training the army.

+1

Also, send a secret emissary, to handle out some very favorable terms with the FSK, to get us involved in the war. Either some economic strongholds, or exclusive rights. Our dealings need to be somewhat severe enough that we will keep an edge over them. That way we can usurp them at some point / make them a puppet of ours.

Also, look into the cost of additional troops.

Wait, what? I said we shouldn't get involved with the FSK/KK war T.T
Damn.

Divide and conquer - in this case we did not even need the first step, on to the second. Basic strategy ;3.

Edit: Harbingerjm does bring up a good point. Lets look into their neighbours first. Also, we could just give them "supplies" at an extreme interest rate. The moment they stop paying, we just declare war on them and take it all. Would be my counter-proposal. Anyways, we need to gain some edge out of their war.

[Aseaheru]

I like the idea of "Help the nation and it counts for tax."
Perhaps also use that for the lower classes?

[Harbingerjm]

Right then. Lets spend a supply improving our roads or something similar, it helps us fight and it helps the citizens trade and travel.
Lets spend the other on training the army.

+1

Also, send a secret emissary, to handle out some very favorable terms with the FSK, to get us involved in the war. Either some economic strongholds, or exclusive rights. Our dealings need to be somewhat severe enough that we will keep an edge over them. That way we can usurp them at some point / make them a puppet of ours.

Also, look into the cost of additional troops.

I don't think we should get directly involved yet, we still have no idea who is to the South of them and how they would view it, and frankly I would rather not end up repeating Louis XVI's screwup with the American Revolution.
If we must do something and they still lack a general, I say we lend them our general, along with a decent bodyguard, so he can gain some experience leading their force (and hopefully train us a second general). Plus, if they have a general of ours they'll presumably put less effort into finding their own, and thus be less likely to have one if and when we do try to assimilate them.

Edit: Actually, that's a shitty plan. KK still have the greater army of the two, meaning they're likely to win a direct fight, so let's sent them a secret emissary saying we only established trade with the FSK because we were trying to establish trade routes with all our neighbours to fix up our own kingdom after the rebellion we had that we just put down, and that we sympathise with their own situation. Of course, given the fact that they have much less supplies and food than the FSK (in fact, going off our own rate of food income/expenditure, they probably can't feed their own city), they need to resolve this situation soon, before they run out of food, or the FSK train too much more of an army than them and attack. Offer to help with food and such in exchange for certain later benefits (massive trade concessions, a village of the FSK once recaptured, whatever we can get basically).
Try to phrase this such that they can't later say we gave any suggestion that open war was a good idea, we may be able to do a "we gave you food and supplies when you were starving and poor, and in return you used it for war! We can't tolerate this, we're going to need to liberate the shit out of you!" kind of thing. Failing that, hopefully we can get them to go back on our deal once they beat the FSK by not repaying us, which is also good justification for invasion.
Failing that too, if we do get them to pay us a village or the like, hopefully that will mean their food income (from two villages, if we get one) will not be sufficient for their city. And again, we will have them over a barrel!

As for additional troops, if I've interpreted the changes to our military stats correctly, we've already acquired a continous expense of 1 supply by going from "small" to "small-medium", I'd rather add supply to work on infrastructure for now, since that should give more supply via economy boosting and is hopefully not a long-term expense.

Wait, what? I said we shouldn't get involved with the FSK/KK war T.T
Damn.

Divide and conquer - in this case we did not even need the first step, on to the second. Basic strategy ;3.

If we had to get involved, a better strategy would have been to assist the KK first, but very well.

I like the idea of "Help the nation and it counts for tax."
Perhaps also use that for the lower classes?

Not sure what their current tax situation is like, but that seems fair.

Edit: Harbingerjm does bring up a good point. Lets look into their neighbours first. Also, we could just give them "supplies" at an extreme interest rate. The moment they stop paying, we just declare war on them and take it all. Would be my counter-proposal. Anyways, we need to gain some edge out of their war.

Well, the FSK are already rich, so that won't work, but it might work for the KK. Especially if that interest rate includes one of their villages.
Definitely agree this war is a big opportunity for us, and we need to exploit the fuck out of it. Carefully.