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Re: The greatest shooter ever to be made(maybe)
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2013, 08:04:27 am »

There are some big hints today about this coming to PC afterall, but nothing confirmed yet.

Mictlantecuhtli, you asked me to comment on "The Underground". I won't argue speculation, but I will say there is no information that it is "chunked" gameplay. That being said, I don't see how they can possible map all of Brooklyn and Manhattan including vertical space without some loading of areas. Also, it's pretty hard to manage large MMO shooter populations in open world and with high graphics. Planetside is only playable in large battles because of the small number of buildings. If it was set in a city and had graphics like this it would run like a DF on a netbook with a population of 200. Long story short, you are probably right that it's not a seamless open world entirely, since it's an MMO Shooter with RPG-lite features. But what's the problem?
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« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2013, 09:53:32 am »

I trust Ubisoft with my money, especially with Tom Clancy titles. I didn't say I BLINDLY trust them, though.

I don't buy Ubisoft games on PC (I don't recall precisely why, but probably something to do with DRM), this isn't coming to a current-gen console, and I see no reason to get a XBox One or PS4.
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Re: The greatest shooter ever to be made(maybe)
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2013, 10:02:12 am »

Long story short, you are probably right that it's not a seamless open world entirely, since it's an MMO Shooter with RPG-lite features. But what's the problem?

No problem. Making observations. I just don't enjoy fluffy demonstrations, which coincides with misleading people for the sake of hype. I'd like to see real gameplay and I'll determine further. So far I've found being highly skeptical of things like this serves well in the end, and if not, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I want real gameplay. Not a demonstration of how pretty the little 3D map looks and some [Insert name here] Skill icons. The AI was absolutely brain-dead, there was the magic healing from half a football field away.. [I won't go into how absolutely lame and stupid this will be if there is 'open world PvP' or whatever it's even going for with the instances, i.e. 'look, I'm on a roof and my whole party can be healed with my telekinesis!']

I guess it has cover mechanics and a tablet drone? Neither of which particularly scream 'Buy now!' to me.
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Re: The greatest shooter ever to be made(maybe)
« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2013, 10:23:16 am »

Long story short, you are probably right that it's not a seamless open world entirely, since it's an MMO Shooter with RPG-lite features. But what's the problem?

No problem. Making observations. I just don't enjoy fluffy demonstrations, which coincides with misleading people for the sake of hype. I'd like to see real gameplay and I'll determine further. So far I've found being highly skeptical of things like this serves well in the end, and if not, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I want real gameplay. Not a demonstration of how pretty the little 3D map works and some [Insert name here] Skill icons. The AI was absolutely brain-dead, there was the magic healing from half a football field away.. [I won't go into how absolutely lame and stupid this will be if there is 'open world PvP' or whatever it's even going for with the instances, i.e. 'look, I'm on a roof and my whole party can be healed with my telekinesis!']

I guess it has cover mechanics and a tablet drone? Neither of which particularly scream 'Buy now!' to me.

Speculation here, so don't expect this.

Note that, in the demo, it did show the telepathealing. I expect, if they follow classic GR:FS style boosts, that player would have actually dropped a medkit with a certain number of uses and the team would have to rush between cover to get to it. The cover mechanics are gloriously sound if they keep them the same, from rushing (which, confuses the hell out of the AI, it never was all that smart.) between cover (Suicidal versus players if you're running a path even close to their direction), limited health that, unfortunately, does regen unless you hit critical, cover jumping, cover where if you're getting shot at with a big enough gun you'll duck and not be able to see over the cover, looking around corners, firing around corners, stance changing aim, cover and stance changing accuracy, three types of aim... (not aiming, as in hipfiring- you won't hit shit, aiming, which gives you a tighter accuracy circle without restricting your sight, you'll still waste some ammo here, and aiming down sight, the most useful but least mobile, really only "safe" if you happen to be prone and a good distance away in a spot your enemy hasn't seen you in yet.)

If they were to keep the base engine the EXACT same, plus or minus some balance tweaks and general updates, and focus most of their development time on the AI, it could be amazing.
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2013, 08:13:54 pm »

there hasn't been a good game with tom clancy in the name since chaos theory

this trend is unlikely to change
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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2013, 08:31:19 pm »

I loved Future Soldier.
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2013, 08:39:23 pm »

I loved Future Soldier.
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« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2013, 04:44:01 am »

What's all this business where people think the voice acting is supposed to represent the actual player characters? I thought it was obvious they were meant to be the players themselves on their mics. I think the fact that people believe that's the "natural" way people speak while under fire and absorbing bullets with their skin might be part of the problem we're having with voice talent in games.
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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2013, 05:50:49 am »

Yeah, and at the end, its them getting jumped by some other players. Basically, I like what I see, but I wont be able to play it because my computer is the shit. And, hell, it might be shit.
I loved Future Soldier.
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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2013, 07:40:01 am »

I have liked most, but not all, of the Tom Clancy games. I don't need a game to be perfect to enjoy it. Point in case, I thought EndWar was great. It was flawed in balance and had one or two major bugs, but it was a great concept. Future Soldier suffered from some glitches/portitis but was fun. Clancy's involvement typically is in storyboard and concept meetings. He sketches out a scenario and works with the designers and writers to work out what is feasible for any given scenario. It's actually about as involved as he was with many of his novels as he has typically employed partners and ghost writers.
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« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2013, 08:08:17 am »

Yeah, and at the end, its them getting jumped by some other players. Basically, I like what I see, but I wont be able to play it because my computer is the shit. And, hell, it might be shit.
I loved Future Soldier.
I'm sorry to hear that, my condolences are with your friends and family.
Can you not be so rude? "Look, they liked a game I don't like, I bet there are mentally retarded and so is there family"

Nah, don't even worry about it. I'm not talking about the single-player, by the way. I liked the story but the AI was idiotic. I have criticisms, and it's not on the top of my list by any means, but I got enjoyment out of it's multiplayer.
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« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2013, 10:11:52 am »

Not sure if anyone's seen it, but here's an interview, laid over top of the original gameplay video. No new gameplay, but it includes an interview with the creative director that may answer a few questions.
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« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2013, 10:26:10 am »

I trust Ubisoft with my money, especially with Tom Clancy titles. I didn't say I BLINDLY trust them, though.

I don't buy Ubisoft games on PC (I don't recall precisely why, but probably something to do with DRM), this isn't coming to a current-gen console, and I see no reason to get a XBox One or PS4.

On the Ubisoft DRM thing, I believe they've trashed their insane DRM schemes finally (even removed it from some older games).

On the game, if it's anything like they're showing, I'm so interested in it! I love the dysotpic feeling, and the modern world MMOness of it! My only issue is platform. I'm really holding out for it being on PC, because there's no way I'm going to be able to afford any next gen platforms for the next few years at least, if ever.
On the note of Beta Keys, if the beta DOES come to PC, I am 100% interested, if it doesn't, then I'm afraid I can't, unless the key comes with a next-gen console for free.
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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2013, 11:28:13 am »

Honestly I'm surprised at all the pessimism in this thread.  I know it looks too good to be true, but that doesn't mean we have to go straight to the negative "This video is a lie and nothing here will come true!", because it could still be an incredible game.

You know what this game reminds me of? An entire game devoted Red Dead Redemption's multiplayer, but instead of an old west setting, they placed in post-apoco New York.  Which sounds amazing and I would play the crap out of it.
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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2013, 11:32:55 am »

I may have missed it, but is there any info yet on the setting? From what I can tell, New York has seen a lot of destruction, and there are infected people. My guess is New York got hit with a massive pandemic and was quarntined. Not expecting zombies or the like because of the Tom Clancy name, but more like a semi-realistic Pandemic based anarchy.
You seem to be some sort of peacekeeping force, whether it's government run or scrapped together after whatever incident, I don't know. But the setting I find really cool, and could lead to a lot of neat stories/gameplay.
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