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[majikero]

People who like Train simulator are probably the ones who likes those small train sets. In a way, its cheaper then the physical thing.

[Jopax]

About the day 1 DLC for the new Rome TW game.

Seriously guys? That ticks you off?

The story goes that a part of the dev team (the ones in charge of new nations I'd wager) was done sooner than expected. And while their part of the work on the core game was done they went ahead and hammered out a couple of new nations they'd add to the game for free. For some reason it can't be in the core game, but it can be obtained on day one, with what will probably be a day one patch to fix some bugs that got into the gold version.

So again, that really pisses you off?


How about this, EA and SimCity. They have free DLC (atleast some of it) that is actually imbalanced in certain ways and gives benefits with little to no negative to offset them. Best of all, this DLC is actually marketing. As in, they were paid by a different company to market their products in SimCity by way of DLC that introduces something inherently flawed into the game.
And this isn't the only case, they've also done stuff with buying products that give you DLC codes which then give you bonuses or something ingame (again SimCity).

This, when marketing has become so obtrusive and and knows no bounds that it will go and jump in your face while you try to play, is truly enraging.

[Aoi]

I was under the impression that these complaints were for PAID DLC.

0day patches/DLC that are free I just sort of assume are "Well, we meant to get this done, but due to marketing/sales/management/publisher/etc. we were forced to release an incomplete product..."

[Girlinhat]

I was under the impression that these complaints were for PAID DLC.

0day patches/DLC that are free I just sort of assume are "Well, we meant to get this done, but due to marketing/sales/management/publisher/etc. we were forced to release an incomplete product..."

Free DLC is like releasing a patch.  Paid DLC is usually just money gouging.  Anything -worth- paying for is usually labeled 'expansion pack'.

[Xantalos]

DLC in general irks me. I paid for the game and I want all of it in the box!

[Gamerboy4life]

About the day 1 DLC for the new Rome TW game.

Seriously guys? That ticks you off?

The story goes that a part of the dev team (the ones in charge of new nations I'd wager) was done sooner than expected. And while their part of the work on the core game was done they went ahead and hammered out a couple of new nations they'd add to the game for free. For some reason it can't be in the core game, but it can be obtained on day one, with what will probably be a day one patch to fix some bugs that got into the gold version.

So again, that really pisses you off?

This one confuses me a bit. It says if you pre-order Rome 2 you get it free, which seems to imply that the DLC will have an actual price when the game is released? When looking at the actual DLC page it has no information on pricing or whether or not it's actually 'free', the only indication it's free is the current lack of a price tag and the promise of it being free, (as long as you pre-order).

Any clarification on the DLC actually being free after launch or not?

[Jehdin]

This is actually why I have no interest at all in Rome 2 Total War. A bit more interested if they allow modding, but Empire Total War and newer never allow modding. So, I'll stick probably with my favorite Rome Total War and Medieval 2 Total War mods.

But yeah, I lolled so hard when they announced the day 1 DLC months before the game is even released.

While there's no good excuse for day 1 DLC, the part about modding is just not true. Shogun 2 supports Steam Workshop and there's tons of mods for it on there. They even released an "assembly kit" for the game and have been more supportive of mods than ever before.

There are also plenty of mods for Empire, though there was no official support for it. Also, I may be wrong here, but I don't think any official modding tools were released for any of the earlier TW games either.

[Vendayn]

This is actually why I have no interest at all in Rome 2 Total War. A bit more interested if they allow modding, but Empire Total War and newer never allow modding. So, I'll stick probably with my favorite Rome Total War and Medieval 2 Total War mods.

But yeah, I lolled so hard when they announced the day 1 DLC months before the game is even released.

While there's no good excuse for day 1 DLC, the part about modding is just not true. Shogun 2 supports Steam Workshop and there's tons of mods for it on there. They even released an "assembly kit" for the game and have been more supportive of mods than ever before.

There are also plenty of mods for Empire, though there was no official support for it. Also, I may be wrong here, but I don't think any official modding tools were released for any of the earlier TW games either.

There are mods. But I don't recall any being made or made that are anything like Third Age for Medieval 2 or Europa Barbarorum for Rome Total War. Or any other major mod like them. Closest I can think of is Darth Mod, but that isn't really a total conversion. Am I wrong here? I know TCs take a long time to make, but I haven't heard anything about any being made for Empire Total War or Shogun 2 Total War, and they've been out a while. Am I mistaken here? I do see a lot of mods on Steam for Shogun 2 in a quick glance, but they don't look like the mods that Rome and Medieval 2 supported.

If I'm wrong, well I've been known to be. So I'll gladly correct my post. Once I get home I'll take a better look as well.

As for DLC, they do say free for pre-order for Rome 2 Total War...but I never pre-order games, since I can buy them on day one on Steam or some other online game shop. I prefer to actually wait to see how the game is. But they don't say anything about it being free if you don't pre-order...but that goes into a pre-order bonus discussion more than a DLC discussion.

[Jopax]

We're thinking of different DLC's then. The pre-order one is Greek states, that's a bonus for pre-orders.

The day one DLC is Pontus and that one is completely free.

[Jehdin]

Yeah, total conversions are a big undertaking and I haven't heard of any for Shogun 2. All I was saying is that it's possible and the support is there. Awesome projects like The Third Age existing for Shogun 2 is another matter entirely, sadly.

Personally, I only buy games once they're $30 or less so I never pre-order either, but typically pre-order DLC is something people who didn't pre-order have to pay for.

DLC in general has gotten out of hand, Crusader Kings 2, for example, with all the face, unit and music packs. It's just ridiculous.

[Silent_Thunder]

Thing to remember about those games was there was 2 years between Rome and M2, and 3 between M2 and Empire, but then Napoleon, Shogun 2 and then Fall of the Samurai (possibly my favorite "vanilla" TW since Rome) all came out a year after the previous one. Then you add in the fact that many people stuck with M2 because Empire was... not a good launch at all. So essentially Rome and M2 had more massive modding efforts because of time as much as modding support.

That said I would probably be more angry at the DLC for Shogun 2 if it wasnt for the fact that the factions are so damned samey that excluding the one special unit the faction gets and some bonuses that really don't matter past early game, it doesn't feel like you are missing that much anyway. I still can't tell if the Blood Pack DLC was gouging or a clever way to get that past the ESRB (Literal Gallons of blood spilling everywhere being something that probably would not allow the Teen rating it got), but that's another debate.

[Tronak]

Yeah, total conversions are a big undertaking and I haven't heard of any for Shogun 2. All I was saying is that it's possible and the support is there. Awesome projects like The Third Age existing for Shogun 2 is another matter entirely, sadly.

Personally, I only buy games once they're $30 or less so I never pre-order either, but typically pre-order DLC is something people who didn't pre-order have to pay for.

DLC in general has gotten out of hand, Crusader Kings 2, for example, with all the face, unit and music packs. It's just ridiculous.

As far as I remember, from Empire onwards it's no longer possible to mod the map (amogst other important things) on TW games, that alone makes TCs impossible. I remember reading an interview on TWC where they justified this with the "GAME IS NOW SO COMPLEX, YOU CANT MOD IT" sort of point. This was on Napoleon times.

For mor information about the matter go to TWC forums and peek a little trough the modding section  .

[Jehdin]

As far as I remember, from Empire onwards it's no longer possible to mod the map (amogst other important things) on TW games, that alone makes TCs impossible. I remember reading an interview on TWC where they justified this with the "GAME IS NOW SO COMPLEX, YOU CANT MOD IT" sort of point. This was on Napoleon times.

For mor information about the matter go to TWC forums and peek a little trough the modding section  .

It looks like it actually is possible to change the world map but it's much more difficult than it was in pre-Empire games.

I'd have thought that would have been supported by the Assembly Kit, but it's not. So I guess I was wrong, older TW games were, in fact, more mod-friendly. That's pretty disappointing.

[Ddynamo]

This isn't really DLC, but an expansion, but I feel cheated with Civ 5's Brave New World expansion coming with most of the stuff from G@K.

People bought Brave New World but not Gods and Kings get Gods and Kings for free.

[CognitiveDissonance]

This isn't really DLC, but an expansion, but I feel cheated with Civ 5's Brave New World expansion coming with most of the stuff from G@K.

People bought Brave New World but not Gods and Kings get Gods and Kings for free.

Isn't that about the same way Civ 4 expansions were handled?