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« Reply #2520 on: October 07, 2015, 06:34:33 pm »

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I can think of it happening a few times with things other than sex/nudity: the epic and ongoing SJW rage over the lack of black people in a certain popular RPG series inspired by the history of a country with almost literally no black people,
Whats the name of RPG ??
And you can always count on SJW to provide some epic butthurt.
But that being said, lack of black people is pretty stupid - its not some magical creature, its just human with certain melatonine count so if universe resembles Earth in any way ( round planet, equatorial inhabited regions etc ) it should have black people in some form.
The Witcher series, namely Witcher 3, because that's the one that's currently relevant.

There are a few dumb things about the "controversy".
First, the selection of that one particular game to serve as their ongoing example of "#GamesSoWhite" (that was a real hashtag campaign, by the way) is bizarre at best and part of some conspiracy against it at worst.
Second, the game's fantasy setting is inspired by a variety of European, especially Slavic/Polish, myths and stories, so having the Token Black in there would be like having one out-of-place white guy in a game based on African tribal mythology.
Third, there are supposed to be non-white humans in the world, and I believe they appeared a few times in previous games and in the upcoming DLC; however, as in the real middle ages, they don't travel to the Europe-analogue serving as the main setting in particularly large numbers.
Fourth, the "Witcher 3 needs black people" crowd loves to cite as their source a very specific Tumblr blog called "MedievalPOC" which uses medieval European paintings, often of scenes set in the Middle East or Africa proper, and portraits of relatively dark-skinned Europeans (Italians, Spaniards, Greeks) in poor lighting as proof that medieval Europe was literally as racially diverse as the modern US.

EDIT: Actually went to check MPOC because I hadn't for a while, and I forgot another source of their "evidence": post-medieval (as late as Victorian) European art of non-white people.
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« Reply #2521 on: October 07, 2015, 06:47:39 pm »

Obviously not AS diverse by any means, but some merchants traveled great distances.  I'm sure some fell in love and settled down far from home.  I've always heard that religion and language were more important than skin color back then.

Actually hold up, the Witcher has elves?  Yeah come the hell on.
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« Reply #2522 on: October 07, 2015, 06:53:10 pm »

The elves are all white too. Dwarves too! :V

I'm thinking back and I don't remember any non-white people in the Witcher 1, but it's been a while and I only played through it once. Or in 2, which I've been playing recently.

(I haven't played 3, though, because they raised the system requirements to the point that it won't work on my computer)
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« Reply #2523 on: October 07, 2015, 07:14:53 pm »

Obviously not AS diverse by any means, but some merchants traveled great distances.  I'm sure some fell in love and settled down far from home.  I've always heard that religion and language were more important than skin color back then.
From what I've read, you can blame the Romans for a lot of that. You tend to cause quite a shake-up in terms of distribution of populations when you conquer huge amounts of land spanning continents, build huge fuckoff roads everywhere, and draft massive armies to march around stomping barbarians. And then collapse and fuck everything.
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« Reply #2524 on: October 07, 2015, 07:19:21 pm »

The "barbarians" were not amused.
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« Reply #2525 on: October 07, 2015, 07:27:16 pm »

The elves are all white too. Dwarves too! :V

I'm thinking back and I don't remember any non-white people in the Witcher 1, but it's been a while and I only played through it once. Or in 2, which I've been playing recently.

(I haven't played 3, though, because they raised the system requirements to the point that it won't work on my computer)

Bonus points for Othello not being Black either. Though that is Shakespeare.

Though if he was... I am not quite sure the play is as progressive as ignorant people say it is (What with him being called a barbarian and him... proving them exactly right)

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Anyhow Elves and Dwarves tend to be white anyhow.

Elves are Snooty upper Englishmen without the accent. While Dwarves are Scottish.

They aren't just white, they aren't even fantasy versions of nationalities that are separate geographically by more then 5 feet.
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« Reply #2526 on: October 07, 2015, 08:15:49 pm »

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I can think of it happening a few times with things other than sex/nudity: the epic and ongoing SJW rage over the lack of black people in a certain popular RPG series inspired by the history of a country with almost literally no black people,
Whats the name of RPG ??
And you can always count on SJW to provide some epic butthurt.
But that being said, lack of black people is pretty stupid - its not some magical creature, its just human with certain melatonine count so if universe resembles Earth in any way ( round planet, equatorial inhabited regions etc ) it should have black people in some form.
The Witcher series, namely Witcher 3, because that's the one that's currently relevant.

There are a few dumb things about the "controversy".
First, the selection of that one particular game to serve as their ongoing example of "#GamesSoWhite" (that was a real hashtag campaign, by the way) is bizarre at best and part of some conspiracy against it at worst.
Second, the game's fantasy setting is inspired by a variety of European, especially Slavic/Polish, myths and stories, so having the Token Black in there would be like having one out-of-place white guy in a game based on African tribal mythology.
Third, there are supposed to be non-white humans in the world, and I believe they appeared a few times in previous games and in the upcoming DLC; however, as in the real middle ages, they don't travel to the Europe-analogue serving as the main setting in particularly large numbers.
Fourth, the "Witcher 3 needs black people" crowd loves to cite as their source a very specific Tumblr blog called "MedievalPOC" which uses medieval European paintings, often of scenes set in the Middle East or Africa proper, and portraits of relatively dark-skinned Europeans (Italians, Spaniards, Greeks) in poor lighting as proof that medieval Europe was literally as racially diverse as the modern US.

EDIT: Actually went to check MPOC because I hadn't for a while, and I forgot another source of their "evidence": post-medieval (as late as Victorian) European art of non-white people.

Man I hate shit like that. It's like something straight out of the novel 1984 with history being rewritten to fit the latest sensibility or political trend.

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« Reply #2527 on: October 07, 2015, 08:21:44 pm »

It is extremely silly.

Though what can you do? :P
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« Reply #2528 on: October 07, 2015, 08:25:41 pm »

Come to think of it, black depictions of Jesus are this too. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't caucasian but he certainly wasn't black either; he came from a jewish background. Would you consider Adam Sandler black? What about Mel Brooks? Jerry Seinfeld? Henry Winkler? What about William Shatner?

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« Reply #2529 on: October 07, 2015, 08:48:22 pm »

In all fairness the current typical depiction of Jesus is probably less accurate then even that... and as people have pointed out the Jews of the time intermingled with the Arabs who are considered black.

Yet this is all moot anyhow because we are once again blanket painting everyone by skin color even when it doesn't make sense to.

Most people don't even know what White is.
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« Reply #2530 on: October 07, 2015, 08:56:10 pm »

Come to think of it, black depictions of Jesus are this too. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't caucasian but he certainly wasn't black either; he came from a jewish background. Would you consider Adam Sandler black? What about Mel Brooks? Jerry Seinfeld? Henry Winkler? What about William Shatner?

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Not that I think of it, I'd really like to see a movie with Adam Sandler as Jesus.
I really do too, but only because I think the angry right-wing rage at it might be the only thing that could possibly tank the man's career for good.

In all fairness the current typical depiction of Jesus is probably less accurate then even that... and as people have pointed out the Jews of the time intermingled with the Arabs who are considered black.

Yet this is all moot anyhow because we are once again blanket painting everyone by skin color even when it doesn't make sense to.

Most people don't even know what White is.
There's also Chinesus.

Though I'm curious what you mean by "Most people don't even know what White is". I don't think it's what you meant but I read that in a sort of white supremacist "Germanics are the true white race!" way.
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« Reply #2531 on: October 07, 2015, 09:04:01 pm »

Well because White means Caucasian which means that they trace their heritage back to... well... The Caucasis.

Otherwise "White" other definition only means you have to be fair skinned and of European origins. Which would of course mean a LOT of other people are included that are normally considered "Not white" such as Gypsies.

It helps that race is COMPLETELY made up and has no scientific or real historical basis.
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« Reply #2532 on: October 07, 2015, 10:41:03 pm »

Well because White means Caucasian which means that they trace their heritage back to... well... The Caucasis.

Otherwise "White" other definition only means you have to be fair skinned and of European origins. Which would of course mean a LOT of other people are included that are normally considered "Not white" such as Gypsies.

It helps that race is COMPLETELY made up and has no scientific or real historical basis.
That's absolutely true. It's just that your quote, to me, suggested the opposite, as though you were implying the existence of a clearly defined "white race".
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« Reply #2533 on: October 07, 2015, 10:57:46 pm »

Well because White means Caucasian which means that they trace their heritage back to... well... The Caucasis.

Otherwise "White" other definition only means you have to be fair skinned and of European origins. Which would of course mean a LOT of other people are included that are normally considered "Not white" such as Gypsies.

It helps that race is COMPLETELY made up and has no scientific or real historical basis.
EDIT: Actually, this is all really, really off-topic, so I'm trimming my part out.  Well, except for the fact that I still dispute your definition of "white meaning Caucasian" as "originating from the Caucasus" on the grounds that most "white" populations didn't; "white meaning Caucasian" only continued to exist because the latter became completely divorced from the corresponding theories of geographic location of the Caucasian archetype (not origin), where Negroids and Mongoloids were not and thus did not.  I'll simply leave it be at that without explaining further because it's really not within the scope of this thread. ^_^
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« Reply #2534 on: October 07, 2015, 11:31:40 pm »

Culise, it is simply just another "Race is entirely made up" brick to add the palace of racism :P

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Though I will say that most games that take place in fantasy Europe actually take place in Fantasy British Empire.

Honestly when was the last time you were playing a fantasy game and you saw Fantasy France or Fantasy Germany outside Dominions?

Humans are British, Elves are British, Tiny people are Irish (because Racism), and Dwarves are Scottish and Wales can suck it (or they are the wood elves)

Sure, there are fantasy Nazis... but they are Fantasy British.
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