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[Shadowlord]

Spoiler: Lossmar reply (click to show/hide)

Lossmar, I know that there are definitely people posting stuff like what you've mentioned, because I've seen it before as well (Usually when someone else linked me to it).

The folks I've seen posting stuff like that seem to believe that everyone who disagrees with them is attacking them, which is simply not the case and prevents any kind of rational communication, but that seems to be a widespread problem, so it can't hurt to examine your own thought processes to make sure you aren't falling victim to the same trap.

[miauw62]

It's not like the Mace of Molag Bal is that good, really.

Azura's star is still my favorite Daedric artifact in Skyrim. Well, Black Star, I guess. It's just so useful.

[Bohandas]

I remember for instance, there's this one quest in Skyrim in Markarth where some daedric makes a man attack you. You're meant to kill him to progress, but the game seems to have forgotten about the 'Calm' spell.

My general experience with the game was that due to the way that the game scaled the "calm" spell and other similar spells didn't work on anything.

[Rolan7]

Yeah, the all-or-nothing nature of it made it even more gamey than it already had to be.  The charm spells in Oblivion were arguably better in my opinion.  IIRC, depending on how much the target hated you, a calm spell might or might not be enough to convince them to accept your yield.

Of course the custom 100 charm for 1 second was all you needed, even guards would look the other way for any crime.  But if you didn't break it, it was kinda interesting.  Better than comparing dicks levels, with some perks thrown in.

I never used calm spells in Oblivion though so I don't know how they worked.

[Xeron]

Spoiler: Reply to your reply to Lossmar (click to show/hide)

Not quite, friendo. A couple of years ago every article you'd see would say Anita Sarkeesian is killing *gaming* and other such headlines that idolized the SJWs and their ilk. Gamergate has fought and is fighting them hard to stop their blatant corruption of gaming journalism, and has been quite successful in many regards, but there are still some that persist.

On topic: Grinding in single player games. Why the bloody hell ? Just why ?

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

On topic: Grinding in single player games. Why the bloody hell ? Just why ?

It's the easiest way to extend the playtime.

[Cyroth]

Multiplayer games (especially MMORPGs) that avoid multiplayer as much as possible.

Recent MMOs did so much that just screws over the social aspect, I consider it really questionable why they even did a MMO in the first place.
TESO for example that (at release, don't know if it got better, stopped 2 months after release) did everything in its power to make group play miserable. Barely any quest progress sharing, and even what it had was questionable at best (okay, last kill-quest shared... the follow up quest is also kill based but doesn't... why exactly?), you could lean every crafting skill so you never needed other crafters (except to exploit-level runecrafting), if you pick the wrong conversation option with an NPC you'd become unable to play together for the next hour...

There are more examples in other games.
Dungeons that have a solo option that is exactly the same (in loot and design) as the party one, just easier. Or games that are so easy that you can even solo the party content without too much problems.
Or games that don't even have party content until you reach the level cap (thats mostly an eastern MMORPG thing).
Or games that focus on, or introduce, so many solo player features that have almost no impact on multiplayer (ingame trading card games for example, or pseudo-pokemon battles that sometimes don't even have a duel option)



Tutorials that treat me like I'm an idiot, but don't teach anything that might be worth teaching. Especially if they can't be skipped.

Yes I know that I can walk forward by pressing "W", and even if for some reason I didn't there is a control chart in the DVD box. Which also teaches me the basic controls about 30 times faster then any tutorial ever could.
And why does "insert unique semi-complex mechanic here" only get a small, easiely missed, popup and nothing more when you wasted 5 minutes on telling me that spacebar makes me jump anc ctrl makes me duck?



People/devs that think splatter=horror.
Monsters that jump out of air ducts and explode into gibs on death are hilarious, not scary. Stop trying to sell comedy as horror.



Female "armor" that makes her end up in a swimsuit.
I absolutely can't stand it when I'm playing... well anything... and heavy female armor contains less material then the thing my girlfriend wore at the beach last year. It just looks silly.



Boring "overdesigned" armor.
There is a point where you have put so many skulls, spikes and glowy bits (which are pretty overused and boring already) onto your armor that it stops being creative and ends up being bland again. Putting on even more skulls, spikes and glowy parts only makes it worse.

[miauw62]

I take it you don't like Chaos Marines, then

[Shadowlord]

Spoiler: Xeron (click to show/hide)

Not quite, friendo. A couple of years ago every article you'd see would say Anita Sarkeesian is killing *gaming* and other such headlines that idolized the SJWs and their ilk. Gamergate has fought and is fighting them hard to stop their blatant corruption of gaming journalism, and has been quite successful in many regards, but there are still some that persist.

Not sure how articles saying "Anita Sarkeesian is killing *gaming*" is "idolizing the SJWs and their ilk." Sounds like the opposite of idolizing to me.

Frankly, my opinion of Gamergate on a scale of 0 to 10 is 0. When you (not you personally, the metaphorical you) go around sending death threats to people for simply stating their opinions, I lose all respect for you. People have a right to free speech, and that includes Anita Sarkeesian. No matter how much you might disagree with her, nothing justifies death threats, threats to places she's going to be speaking at, etc. (And as for "it isn't everyone, it's only a few rogue people," as with any organization, if members know there is wrongdoing and they don't do anything about it, they're complicit. It was never about ethics in gaming journalism anyways.)

[Graknorke]

Spoiler: Xeron (click to show/hide)

When you (not you personally, the metaphorical you) go around sending death threats to people for simply stating their opinions, I lose all respect for you. People have a right to free speech, and that includes Anita Sarkeesian. No matter how much you might disagree with her, nothing justifies death threats, threats to places she's going to be speaking at, etc. (And as for "it isn't everyone, it's only a few rogue people," as with any organization, if members know there is wrongdoing and they don't do anything about it, they're complicit.

It's funny because it's ironic.

[ArKFallen]

Spoiler: Xeron (click to show/hide)

When you (not you personally, the metaphorical you) go around sending death threats to people for simply stating their opinions, I lose all respect for you. People have a right to free speech, and that includes Anita Sarkeesian. No matter how much you might disagree with her, nothing justifies death threats, threats to places she's going to be speaking at, etc. (And as for "it isn't everyone, it's only a few rogue people," as with any organization, if members know there is wrongdoing and they don't do anything about it, they're complicit.

It's funny because it's ironic.

The most ironic part being that the article flat out says that the shitty people pushed it into the light but that other people run it now. You've probably heard of these other people as "ethics cucks".
And that the complicit argument is also used against feminists for the radfems that help drive the movement.

[Darkmere]

Any chance we can get back to whining about games instead of whining about internet culture? Moving to another thread or something would be cool, too.

[notquitethere]

Ok, here's some more gaming peeves:

Games with multiple story branches but only one 'correct' path.

The cognitive trick video games play on us where they manipulate us into squandering our useful energies on fruitless tasks.

Bejeweled clones that friends and family play and you deride but secretly want to master but know that that is a dark path to walk down.

The decline of split-screen console games.

[Neonivek]

Ok, here's some more gaming peeves:

Games with multiple story branches but only one 'correct' path.

It can be done right but it is a very difficult thing to achieve. Usually the trick is to make each "wrong path" give hints as to what the true path is without "just don't take the wrong path" being the solution.

Or by making wrong paths really short with easy reloads.

[notquitethere]

It's fine when there's additional deaths or shortened endings to add additional richness to a linear game, but I'm thinking of games where a large part of the point is multiple choices. A good example is games which offer a wide range of solving encounters but killing the enemy is the only path to game progression (like in RPGs and action games with stealth elements. Or all those tactical RPGs (Tactics Ogre, Fire Emblem etc.) where there is a best ending (everyone lives) but the naturalistic and interesting way of playing the game is to sometimes let people die, but the Best Ending aspect strongly encourages you to waste your time reloading encounters when Squishy McBard is killed.

Which game do you think has done it well?