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Abandon Ship - all hope is lost...

Our Necromagicks have failed us!

Next year...

Next quarter...

This quarter?!

Never - The GM is just playing with you!

[GreatWyrmGold]

I'll freely admit not knowing how 40k daemons work, but I don't think we're much like a possessed person. For one thing, we haven't gone on any rampages or anything.

Attempt to incite a riot for fun and profit says hi. Plan to set fire to the town for fun and profit says hi. Theft of large sums of money from civilians says hi.

And yet, much of the town is unaware of us. I think a proper rampage would involve more, y'know, rampaging.
And that says more about Bay12 than the familiar.

While we're on the subject of 40k...remember why the young Techpriests (or whatever they're called) are the conservative ones? They don't live to be old.

Wat?

I read somewhere or another that...Inquisitors, maybe?...some Imperial position, the young ones stick to the book and the older ones tend to be more liberal. The explanation basically boils down to non-hereditary natural selection.

[Xantalos]

While we're on the subject of 40k...remember why the young Techpriests (or whatever they're called) are the conservative ones? They don't live to be old.

Wat?

I read somewhere or another that...Inquisitors, maybe?...some Imperial position, the young ones stick to the book and the older ones tend to be more liberal. The explanation basically boils down to non-hereditary natural selection.
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Huh? That's the exact opposite of the Imperium. Innovation gets you disemboweled there.

[escaped lurker]

U-huh. Not to be a miser, but take that discussion elsewhere please. Unlock sometimes tomorrow. >>

[EveryZig]

I am not a huge fan of hiring a thief, but, given that we are here, I suggest sticking to our guns. We have no intention of revealing ourselves. If they aren't willing to work with that, then the illusion apologises for wasting everyone's time and then vanishes after we vacate the premises. If the thief spreads the word that someone is looking for the amulet, then that can only serve to make the amulet more difficult to transport...

Seconding this. I would think that somebody in his profession would understand the need for discretion.

[10ebbor10]

Well, I believe he's worried more about being paid with illusionary silver.

[escaped lurker]

Well then, should I mention that i have rolled the heroes intentions quite some time ago? ;3
How to handle that one, how indeed.

Spoiler: Indezi (click to show/hide)

Stats
8/8 Health Points
10/16 Mana Points
10/10 Stamina
2/8 Encumbrance
Inventory System: Maw, Front Claw x2
Sustenance 17/30

Inventory:
Pouch with 40 Silver Coins

Skills
Magical
Illusionist - 10

Martial
Sneaking - 3

Racial
Draconic - 4
Demonic - 2

Attributes
Strength:     2
Agility:         2
Endurance:   3
Willpower:     5
Magic:         7

Spoiler: Abilities (click to show/hide)

Active Skills:

Sneeze of Flame - Draconic - 5 MP - Unskilled

You spew a little flame of Dragon-Fire, up to a few breaths away.

Small Illusions - Illusionist - 3 MP - Moderate

Allows you to decieve either the eyes of a single person with an object, or create sounds in the target area as you please.


Passive:

Gliding - Draconic

Your wings enable you to glide down safely from elevation - if the later is at least 3 meters high.

Emotional Charging - Demonic

The Emotions of intelligent beings recharge your mana. The higher the emotion and the more you are involved in it, the better.

Extraplanar Soul - Demonic

Without your trusty pendant, you are just not truly complete. Your flow of mana is messed up, resulting in possible miss-casts or out-of control spells.

High Profile

Your race and history makes you quite known in the upper magical circles. Dragons are also quite rare, so your sight is bound to be remembered even by common folk.

No, trusting such a scoundrel with your true identity would undeed be unwise - you sneak away while letting the illusion say something about consulting the matter with your own client first, and a curt apology before vanishing.

Since you have no other things in mind, you set out to get something to eat, and soon are able to find a nice treat. Poor cat seems to have been hit by a horse or something, and did not make it far - now if you only had some honey on you, it would really be a feast. It's very filling either way. +15 Sustenance

You stroll towards the market, the dusk easing the whole matter by a fair amount, but some kids come upon you during their play. They really seem to be the curious sort, with your appearance not dampening their curiosity - one growl from you does send them away however, and you quickly leave the scene. Arriving at the market, you look out for any kind of opportunities, and the intense fight of two stallowners presents you with a nice boost. +2 MP

At some point in the late evening, you suddenly feel sick - and it is not about the cat, as far as you can tell. You are able to drag yourself into an alley, while numbing pain wrecks your body, your mana running a bit wild in the progress. The aftermath is that you are a bit weakend, and you very much doubt that it could be anything but someone tampering with your amulet. -1 max MP

You remember the adventurers visit to the enchanter, and conlude that the sorceress has made some kind of move. The hunch proves to be correct, as you travel by the keep you can feel that she has expensed most of her mana. You really should have felt such a disturbance, but conclude that you "did" feel it - just way more directly. While Master did put a lot of time and effort into the pendant, with that much mana a banishing spell or similiar ought to have more of an effect. You are unsure if she failed her spell, but as it seems like she won't leave you alone for those three months that you ought to have left, you start to consider your options. Limited as they may be, you do not really wish to make it easy on her.

Spoiler: Current Status (click to show/hide)

Stats
8/8 Health Points
12/15 Mana Points
10/10 Stamina
2/8 Encumbrance
Inventory System: Maw, Front Claw x2
Sustenance 30/30

Inventory:
Pouch with 40 Silver Coins

Skills
Magical
Illusionist - 10

Martial
Sneaking - 3

Racial
Draconic - 4
Demonic - 2

Attributes
Strength:     2
Agility:         2
Endurance:   3
Willpower:     5
Magic:         7

Extraplanar Soul - Demonic

Without your trusty pendant, you are just not truly complete. Your flow of mana is messed up, resulting in possible miss-casts or out-of control spells.

That sorccerous wench seemingly has done something to your beloved juwelery. It is unclear what, but for the time being you have even less mana, an effect that just might strengthen over time, should you leave the matter alone.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

1. That's a crappy researcher, and adventurers are rarely research scientists.
2. They know the mage is dead. How couldn't they? And the demonic bits are the basis of the sob story.
2a. I still don't see why we should follow it, or why the humans would automatically assume we would if we gave them clear evidence to the contrary.
3. Every race has exceptions. The adventurers should know this, if they're experienced to take down a moderately powerful mage. After all, you can't take out a goblin fortress without an inside man or an army, and adventurers lack the latter.


And what use do they have for it [the amulet], anyways?

(Appeal to the one sole 'good' member of the party.)

1. Implying crappy researchers don't exist. Implying mage adventurers don't research things. Implying thief adventurers don't know any 'researchers' that would pay.
2. Your 'clear evidence' consisting of our word, and all of 5 minutes of good behavior. Following our master's wishes of vengeance just so happens to coincide with our own goals. Actually, they don't, since we're just trying to get our amulet back, not kill the adventurers.
3. Should know this? What about killing a heretic mage implies a deep understanding of other cultures? Implying a close-minded adventuring group can't be good at what they do. For your example, an inside man could likely be acquired with coin, and would hardly go against any negative goblin stereotypes.

Keeping their new mascot in line.

And if we can't get to them first, or we miscalculate them, we wind up enslaved, vivisected & dead. Also, if the other two are murderous bastards, why is the good person hanging around with them? Shades of grey. They're most likely going to be adventurers for profit, probably (as others have said) with religious ties, and sure if we do it right they might adopt us, but again the only real outcomes: ENSLAVEMENT, because we have legs and it would be stupid to hand us our chain. SOMETHING WORSE, like vivisection. Because honestly, talking about adventuring party composition: the group of murderous thugs would be a lot more successful than a group of airheads, and that's what we'd need to be able to walk out of that situation with our amulet.




ACTIONS!
+1 to RAMs. As for silver, 'I'm not going to be revealing myself, but I pay with real silver' toss the sack on the table, assuming we're in the same room. 'Consider that a downpayment if you accept'. I don't see why we can't play the role of a magician intrigued by a demonic amulet- would explain why we don't want to be dealing with the adventurers directly, if it got the last guy killed.


/ninja'd. Edit incoming.

:I
Fire the town.

[EveryZig]

It looks like allying with the adventurers is out of the picture if they react to the bit of demon-ness on our amulet with what seems to be trying to dispel it.
I have though of something we might investigate before just setting fire to the town and hoping for the best though. Food and supplies need to get into the castle somehow, so it might be worthwhile to check whether we can make use of our small size to smuggle ourself into the castle.

[GreatWyrmGold]

1. That's a crappy researcher, and adventurers are rarely research scientists.
2. They know the mage is dead. How couldn't they? And the demonic bits are the basis of the sob story.
2a. I still don't see why we should follow it, or why the humans would automatically assume we would if we gave them clear evidence to the contrary.
3. Every race has exceptions. The adventurers should know this, if they're experienced to take down a moderately powerful mage. After all, you can't take out a goblin fortress without an inside man or an army, and adventurers lack the latter.


And what use do they have for it [the amulet], anyways?

(Appeal to the one sole 'good' member of the party.)

1. Implying crappy researchers don't exist. Implying mage adventurers don't research things. Implying thief adventurers don't know any 'researchers' that would pay.
2. Your 'clear evidence' consisting of our word, and all of 5 minutes of good behavior. Following our master's wishes of vengeance just so happens to coincide with our own goals. Actually, they don't, since we're just trying to get our amulet back, not kill the adventurers.
3. Should know this? What about killing a heretic mage implies a deep understanding of other cultures? Implying a close-minded adventuring group can't be good at what they do. For your example, an inside man could likely be acquired with coin, and would hardly go against any negative goblin stereotypes.

Keeping their new mascot in line.

1. True, but if the adventurers cared they'd get a good researcher.
2. Our goals are "Get the amulet, not die". The adventurers should be able to realize that. There's no real reason for us to kill them. Why does everyone else seem to want to do so, anyways? It's not like Master showed any kind of affection for us.
3. Not heretic, evil. In any case, being willing to work with goblins shows that they are willing to work with stereotypically evil beings, which is good for us. And I'm not implying that close-minded groups can't be good at what they do, I'm stating that they'd be worse (and, in most fantasy worlds, atypical).
4. Keeping a corpse in line isn't worth much.

And if we can't get to them first, or we miscalculate them, we wind up enslaved, vivisected & dead.

And if we don't try, we end up dead anyways.

Also, if the other two are murderous bastards, why is the good person hanging around with them?

The same reason adventuring parties of greatly differing alignments always stick together.
And the good person doesn't need to be an angel, just not a devil.

Shades of grey. They're most likely going to be adventurers for profit, probably (as others have said) with religious ties, and sure if we do it right they might adopt us, but again the only real outcomes: ENSLAVEMENT, because we have legs and it would be stupid to hand us our chain. SOMETHING WORSE, like vivisection. Because honestly, talking about adventuring party composition: the group of murderous thugs would be a lot more successful than a group of airheads, and that's what we'd need to be able to walk out of that situation with our amulet.

And the worst that happens? We escape when it turns out they're untrustworthy.
Glide. Walk. Whatever.

ACTIONS!
+1 to RAMs. As for silver, 'I'm not going to be revealing myself, but I pay with real silver' toss the sack on the table, assuming we're in the same room. 'Consider that a downpayment if you accept'. I don't see why we can't play the role of a magician intrigued by a demonic amulet- would explain why we don't want to be dealing with the adventurers directly, if it got the last guy killed.

Can't argue with this.

:I
Fire the town.

Wha?

It looks like allying with the adventurers is out of the picture if they react to the bit of demon-ness on our amulet with what seems to be trying to dispel it.

While I agree that this is likely, I'm not convinced enough to discount an alliance. They could have just been experimenting with it.

I have though of something we might investigate before just setting fire to the town and hoping for the best though. Food and supplies need to get into the castle somehow, so it might be worthwhile to check whether we can make use of our small size to smuggle ourself into the castle.

Why does everything end with Bay12 trying to burn everything?

[RAM]

Well, I am returning to plan, umm, B? The one where we buy some pigeons, tie them to a platform, and ride them to an altitude sufficient to glide into the fortress. Substitute in a hot-air balloon if such things exist, or just pay a drunk ogre to throw us... Once inside we can try the stealthy pickpocket thing...

And the good person doesn't need to be an angel, just not a devil.
...
Why does everything end with Bay12 trying to burn everything?

But we 'are' a devil...
...
Magma?

[GreatWyrmGold]

We may be demonic, but that doesn't mean we are Evil in our behavior.

And demon =/= devil.

[Harbingerjm]

2. Our goals are "Get the amulet, not die". The adventurers should be able to realize that. There's no real reason for us to kill them. Why does everyone else seem to want to do so, anyways? It's not like Master showed any kind of affection for us.

We don't, really, we're just saying they're going to expect us to. Familiar, remember?

3. Not heretic, evil. In any case, being willing to work with goblins shows that they are willing to work with stereotypically evil beings, which is good for us. And I'm not implying that close-minded groups can't be good at what they do, I'm stating that they'd be worse (and, in most fantasy worlds, atypical).

What makes you think he's evil, apart from working with demons, which would paint us as just as evil?

And if we don't try, we end up dead anyways.

Well, yes, assuming that we say "well, we can't befriend the adventurers, I guess we'll just have to give up, curl up, and shrivel up.

And the worst that happens? We escape when it turns out they're untrustworthy.
Glide. Walk. Whatever.

... Yes, because they'll totally just let us get away.

We may be demonic, but that doesn't mean we are Evil in our behavior.

Perhaps not, but we are anyway (see: attempting to cause riot, shoplifting).

And demon =/= devil.

In this setting? How do you know that?

[GreatWyrmGold]

2. Our goals are "Get the amulet, not die". The adventurers should be able to realize that. There's no real reason for us to kill them. Why does everyone else seem to want to do so, anyways? It's not like Master showed any kind of affection for us.

We don't, really, we're just saying they're going to expect us to. Familiar, remember?

a. This seems to be what many people are assuming we're doing, which is what I was referring to.
b. Simple response: "Why would we do that? He's dead, he can't hurt us." Aside from the obvious, it implies an unwilling relationship between master and familiar (technically true, but you know what I mean...)

3. Not heretic, evil. In any case, being willing to work with goblins shows that they are willing to work with stereotypically evil beings, which is good for us. And I'm not implying that close-minded groups can't be good at what they do, I'm stating that they'd be worse (and, in most fantasy worlds, atypical).

What makes you think he's evil, apart from working with demons, which would paint us as just as evil?

Someone who works with demons has a choice. Someone who was born a demon didn't.

And if we don't try, we end up dead anyways.

Well, yes, assuming that we say "well, we can't befriend the adventurers, I guess we'll just have to give up, curl up, and shrivel up.

We can't exactly defeat the adventurers without a lot more power, and trickery pretty much requires more illusive power. Power requires amulet, key behind door.
In any case, you didn't explain what we have to lose.

And the worst that happens? We escape when it turns out they're untrustworthy.
Glide. Walk. Whatever.

... Yes, because they'll totally just let us get away.

They don't have to.
Remember, fighting to not be killed is easier than fighting to kill.

We may be demonic, but that doesn't mean we are Evil in our behavior.

Perhaps not, but we are anyway (see: attempting to cause riot, shoplifting).

Why did we do those, anyways?

And demon =/= devil.

In this setting? How do you know that?

First off, they have different names. Second off, devil has never been mentioned as a synonym for demon. Third off, I've never seen a setting where they were the same thing.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Spoiler: Standard GWG v GA 'discussion' (click to show/hide)

1. True, but if the adventurers cared they'd get a good researcher.
2. Our goals are "Get the amulet, not die". The adventurers should be able to realize that. There's no real reason for us to kill them. Why does everyone else seem to want to do so, anyways? It's not like Master showed any kind of affection for us.
3. Not heretic, evil. In any case, being willing to work with goblins shows that they are willing to work with stereotypically evil beings, which is good for us. And I'm not implying that close-minded groups can't be good at what they do, I'm stating that they'd be worse (and, in most fantasy worlds, atypical).
4. Keeping a corpse in line isn't worth much.

1. And, this would be a good thing how? (Assuming, if there's a lousy researcher in the group, they'd be okay with 'yeah, I'm a pretty lousy researcher, let's take him to someone else to research')
2. No one wants to kill the adventurers. Not unless we have to anyway- too much trouble. You, sir, are attacking a strawman.
3. What's the evil he's done? I'd like to see quotations.
4. They'd use it before we're a corpse. They know we need it to live, they know we're bound to it, therefore that's why we're with them, therefore it's their power over us. It would never leave their sight, and we couldn't very well waltz off and never see them again without it. And again, they('d) know this.

And if we don't try, we end up dead anyways.

Because? Don't try to become their lapdog, or don't try to get the amulet back? Two separate things.

The same reason adventuring parties of greatly differing alignments always stick together.
And the good person doesn't need to be an angel, just not a devil.

Is the good-hearted thief that sells dragon welps off to magician researchers but saves children, avoids un-needed violence and donates to charities a devil?
Why do they stick together anyway?

And the worst that happens? We escape when it turns out they're untrustworthy.
Glide. Walk. Whatever.

Which would get us nowhere, because they'd still have our amulet and they'd still know we still need it.

ACTIONS!
+1 to RAMs. As for silver, 'I'm not going to be revealing myself, but I pay with real silver' toss the sack on the table, assuming we're in the same room. 'Consider that a downpayment if you accept'. I don't see why we can't play the role of a magician intrigued by a demonic amulet- would explain why we don't want to be dealing with the adventurers directly, if it got the last guy killed.

Can't argue with this.

:I
Fire the town.

Wha?

The action was based on our still being in the thief's presence, which was no longer the case all of 10 minutes before I hit post. Since we were no longer in the theif's presence, and my previous worry- the one that spawned the 'fire the town' plan- was proven true, I reiterated it.

It looks like allying with the adventurers is out of the picture if they react to the bit of demon-ness on our amulet with what seems to be trying to dispel it.

While I agree that this is likely, I'm not convinced enough to discount an alliance. They could have just been experimenting with it.
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Wouldn't be an alliance. Allies don't call eachother 'servant' and 'master'.



I think the macro of what we're doing is argueing over our character's identity. You want to be zippy I take it. I don't want to be zippy.

@harbinger
I wouldn't say we're evil. Just misunderstood. We're a juvenile dragon with a critical weakness growing up in a hostile world of monkeys.



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[GreatWyrmGold]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1. True, but if the adventurers cared they'd get a good researcher.
2. Our goals are "Get the amulet, not die". The adventurers should be able to realize that. There's no real reason for us to kill them. Why does everyone else seem to want to do so, anyways? It's not like Master showed any kind of affection for us.
3. Not heretic, evil. In any case, being willing to work with goblins shows that they are willing to work with stereotypically evil beings, which is good for us. And I'm not implying that close-minded groups can't be good at what they do, I'm stating that they'd be worse (and, in most fantasy worlds, atypical).
4. Keeping a corpse in line isn't worth much.

1. And, this would be a good thing how? (Assuming, if there's a lousy researcher in the group, they'd be okay with 'yeah, I'm a pretty lousy researcher, let's take him to someone else to research')

Simple: No vivisection, and one more step and one more transit we can escape during.

2. No one wants to kill the adventurers. Not unless we have to anyway- too much trouble. You, sir, are attacking a strawman.

It sure seems like everyone's planning for that...must be reading too much into everything.
Overthinking is my weakness.

3. What's the evil he's done? I'd like to see quotations.

Dealing with demons?

4. They'd use it before we're a corpse. They know we need it to live, they know we're bound to it, therefore that's why we're with them, therefore it's their power over us. It would never leave their sight, and we couldn't very well waltz off and never see them again without it. And again, they('d) know this.

Doesn't the amulet's power to save us require us to have it?
Isn't threatening to keep it away if we don't behave pointless if they keep it away regardless?

And if we don't try, we end up dead anyways.

Because? Don't try to become their lapdog, or don't try to get the amulet back? Two separate things.

Not their lapdog, their ally. That is the plan with the highest chance of not dying, whether due to amulet withdrawal or angering a bunch of pretty powerful adventurers.

The same reason adventuring parties of greatly differing alignments always stick together.
And the good person doesn't need to be an angel, just not a devil.

Is the good-hearted thief that sells dragon welps off to magician researchers but saves children, avoids un-needed violence and donates to charities a devil?
Why do they stick together anyway?

First off, my point still doesn't require any of that, just an adventurer with a soft spot and two with souls (or that the one is the leader/strong enough to keep the other/s in line). That's all.
Think: Would you allow a potentially powerful potential ally with a sad past onto your team, or would you chuck him out due to his old owner who he didn't have any overt affections for, thereby creating a new enemy who could easily become more powerful? (Moderately experienced or learned* adventurers would be familiar with this possibility.)
*As in "listen to old tales told by bards", not as in "read lots of books".

And the worst that happens? We escape when it turns out they're untrustworthy.
Glide. Walk. Whatever.

Which would get us nowhere, because they'd still have our amulet and they'd still know we still need it.

And we could steal it back later, like we would have to by your plan anyways.
They already know we need it. We haven't exactly succeeded at a low profile...

:I
Fire the town.

Wha?

The action was based on our still being in the thief's presence, which was no longer the case all of 10 minutes before I hit post. Since we were no longer in the theif's presence, and my previous worry- the one that spawned the 'fire the town' plan- was proven true, I reiterated it.

Remind me, which plan was that?
And why was it a good idea?

It looks like allying with the adventurers is out of the picture if they react to the bit of demon-ness on our amulet with what seems to be trying to dispel it.

While I agree that this is likely, I'm not convinced enough to discount an alliance. They could have just been experimenting with it.

Wouldn't be an alliance. Allies don't call eachother 'servant' and 'master'.

I fail to see why this would inevitably lead to us being subservient to the adventurers.
Also, Alfred and Batman. Servant and master, yet friends and allies.

I think the macro of what we're doing is argueing over our character's identity. You want to be zippy I take it. I don't want to be zippy.

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Why not?
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@harbinger
I wouldn't say we're evil. Just misunderstood. We're a juvenile dragon with a critical weakness growing up in a hostile world of monkeys.

Agreed.

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Aw man.