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[Aklyon]

Who gonna bet they'll find a way to destroy Ecuador anyways?

They'll going to try, thats for certain.

[Scoops Novel]

Is this getting much US coverage? According to this, the military was "filtering" news on Snowden's leaks to it's personnel overseas. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/28/us-army-blocks-guardian-website-access

[Bauglir]

Actually, I'm pretty okay with that, given the narrow scope and the intent. They're not, for instance, forbidding people from reading the news at home. I understand how it seems silly to maintain classification standards on information that's been leaked in a high-profile news thing, but it doesn't really make an impact on the actual spread of the information one way or the other. It's more about keeping "the rules" intact, which is something I want governments to actually do.

Obviously, there's more to it than that. I would also like the rules to be more aimed at serving the public, and I support actions that break the rules that aren't in the public's interest. The existence of classification systems is one that is a good thing, though it's often used in a way that isn't. So, basically, this paragraph exists to explain that I can believe Snowden did a good thing while still believing you shouldn't be reading, on a government network, the material he leaked in the process.

[SealyStar]

I keep calling him "Eric Snowden", presumably due to both confusion with "Eric Holder" and the fact that I can't believe people were still naming their kids "Edward" as late as 1983.

[Scoops Novel]

I keep calling him "Eric Snowden", presumably due to both confusion with "Eric Holder" and the fact that I can't believe people were still naming their kids "Edward" as late as 1983.

What? Americans.

[SalmonGod]

I can't believe people were still naming their kids "Edward" as late as 1983.

*middle name is Edward and was born in 1983*

[SealyStar]

I can't believe people were still naming their kids "Edward" as late as 1983.

*middle name is Edward and was born in 1983*

Middle name. Probably taken from the given name of a male relative from the two prior generations. Doesn't count.

[Vattic]

I've gone to school with a few Edwards. One was a few of years bellow me and born 1991 - 1992.

[Sir Finkus]

Actually, I'm pretty okay with that, given the narrow scope and the intent. They're not, for instance, forbidding people from reading the news at home. I understand how it seems silly to maintain classification standards on information that's been leaked in a high-profile news thing, but it doesn't really make an impact on the actual spread of the information one way or the other. It's more about keeping "the rules" intact, which is something I want governments to actually do.

Obviously, there's more to it than that. I would also like the rules to be more aimed at serving the public, and I support actions that break the rules that aren't in the public's interest. The existence of classification systems is one that is a good thing, though it's often used in a way that isn't. So, basically, this paragraph exists to explain that I can believe Snowden did a good thing while still believing you shouldn't be reading, on a government network, the material he leaked in the process.

Redking goes into this a little more in his post earlier in the thread.  I think he works for the ATF, so I suppose it's a somewhat similar situation.

[Tarqiup Inua]

Actually, there was an episode of Miami Vice (the 80' series by Michael Mann starring Don Johnson and Phillip Michael Thomas) named Stone's War and its plot was related to US policy in South America.

It may be a fiction but it shows people were aware of topics like that back then... just a though, you reminded me of it :-)

[stabbymcstabstab]

What I love about this whole fiasco is that He's just a whistle blower, there are laws protecting what he did but what can you expect from a government that put every soldier who served in the middle east on the domestic terrorist watch list.

[Zangi]

Opinion based, some say whistle blower, others say traitor.

Obviously the government is going to consider him a traitor, cause the public needs to be kept in the dark.

[SalmonGod]

I... don't think it's opinion-based at all.  Furthermore, "whistleblower" and "traitor" are not mutually exclusive terms.  Some may label Snowden a traitor for being a whistleblower.  That doesn't make him not a whistleblower.

[da_nang]

Clearly the US wants to be an enemy with everyone.

[Scoops Novel]

Clearly the US wants to be an enemy with everyone.

Take care not to forget that everyone's doing it, and last i checked international relations aren't that bad. I haven't seen anything beyond lip service from Europe either. Additionally, I fail to see the benefit Russia gains from holding onto Snowden, given there's a good chance they where informed of everything he could leak as a matter of course (and intelligence would have got the rest), and neither is there a useful snub to America invested therein. When PRISM etc. gets taken to the courts, it will spill over into the other superpowers, at the very least through the demands of the American public. I highly doubt Russia's holding onto Snowden for any reasons counter to the American's interests.