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[DWC]

Why do you think Snowden genuinely pulled this off himself? I ask this from the standpoint of someone who thinks this was an intentional leak probably agreed by several governments, though i couldn't tell you any more then the inconsistencies that make me think this.

If some foreign countries convinced him to do this, Snowden surely got screwed pretty badly, since nobody offered him a safehaven to retreat to or any money for doing so.

[Scoops Novel]

Why do you think Snowden genuinely pulled this off himself? I ask this from the standpoint of someone who thinks this was an intentional leak probably agreed by several governments, though i couldn't tell you any more then the inconsistencies that make me think this.

If some foreign countries convinced him to do this, Snowden surely got screwed pretty badly, since nobody offered him a safehaven to retreat to or any money for doing so.

I did say "managed resistance", e.g, i imagine the US had a hand in it. It would be worth rereading my consecutive post after the one you've quoted, but regardless the fact that you've heard about this regardless of whether or not a leak happened indicates the local government approved of it. Given that the Guardian, the source of these leaks, is based in the UK, and they worked extensively with the US insofar as our local branch of PRISM (GCHQ) is concerned, i doubt that there where no mechanisms to prevent them from reporting it nope, please reread it, and I'm not trying to be a dick.

[DWC]

Why do you think Snowden genuinely pulled this off himself? I ask this from the standpoint of someone who thinks this was an intentional leak probably agreed by several governments, though i couldn't tell you any more then the inconsistencies that make me think this.

If some foreign countries convinced him to do this, Snowden surely got screwed pretty badly, since nobody offered him a safehaven to retreat to or any money for doing so.

I did say "managed resistance", e.g, i imagine the US had a hand in it. It would be worth rereading my consecutive post after the one you've quoted, nope, please reread it, and I'm not trying to be a dick.

I'm not familiar with this term "managed resistance". So you mean some faction or officials in the government that maybe had a beef with this program got Snowden to leak it? Or the US government leaked it intentionally because they want to air out other nation's surveillance programs and feel like the program should be accountable or cancelled anyways? Like, I guess France has a similar system? Or some foreign agency convinced Snowden to go public with this and take all the blame and responsibility for it?

That seems less likely then Snowden just doing it himself. He got hired to work for this program, didn't like it, so he made it public because he thought it was the right thing to do and possibly to capitalize on his celebrity status garnered from it. It seems like he could have leaked it anonymously, or arranged a deal with some foreign government before hand or gave him a little bit of time to flee before the gov't zeroed in on him.

What's your whole theory you are hinting at then?

[Scoops Novel]

Pretty much as you said. The US and the other affected parties, certainly the other superpowers, have an interest one way or another, though i don't pretend to know why. I don't believe the Guardian could have managed this without being allowed to do so, and I'm doubtful they'd have the will.

[misko27]

"Who are the Snowdens of yesteryear?" -Yossarian


Also, I heard the interesting factoid that a president has never canceled a visit to Russia since the fall of the soviet Union. Although, that isn't 100% Snowden (Syria, missiles, the usual suspects), it would hurt Putin given his statement that Bilateral relations are more important the the squabbles of Intelligence agencies.

[Another]

Cancellation of Obama's visit to Russia would certainly hurt Putin's image in the US and somewhat in Europe. Would it hurt Putin's ratings in Russia though? Putin's public statement that Snowden would only be granted anything if he agrees to stop hurting US interests is already seen as a voluntary big step towards US.

[SalmonGod]

It's been ruled that journalists may not refuse to identify their sources in court.

So anonymous whistleblowing has been made pretty much impossible.

[Sergarr]

It's been ruled that journalists may not refuse to identify their sources in court.

So anonymous whistleblowing has been made pretty much impossible.

They'll then just simply point at each other in a circle.

[Zangi]

It's been ruled that journalists may not refuse to identify their sources in court.

So anonymous whistleblowing has been made pretty much impossible.

On a technicality...  There is now more Transparency!  Just not who you want it from.

[Helgoland]

On a technicality...  There is now more Transparency!  Just not who you want it from.

The NSA: Ensuring transparenty on a global level.

[Mrhappyface]

Well it's kinda hard to call PRISM an incredibly competent and 100% accurate research tool in the hands of the NSA. Just because we have internet in this day and age, and its extremely wide and powerful resources at hand, you don't see all the kids in schools making masterpieces of their research projects, no? There still has to be human hands behind it, and humans tend to be sorta lazy and corner cutting. Hell, Snowcone wouldn't have been hired in the first place if the NSA was competent.

[10ebbor10]

Tiny bump

NSA claims to be incapable of tracing it's own internal communication. Cites outdated system. Apparently uses telegraphs, or something.

[werty892]

Also, Snowden got a pass from the immigration agency to go around Moscow. No source right now, but I heard it on the news.

[Strife26]

So what's the foia request actually say? Because, from what that article sounds like, it was wild card as hell. The NSA (the most secretive of government agencies) is not going to respond to "everything dealing with national geographic ever and what we considered for the story"


And, in any event, not being able to trace communications is kind of a good thing, last time I checked.

[Zangi]

And, in any event, not being able to trace communications is kind of a good thing, last time I checked.

The key word is internal communications.  It means the higher ups have less accountability when it comes to internal reviews and it also makes it so the grunts have far less of a chance of getting the whole picture of what the NSA is doing.

So... I think that is a bad thing.  Plus, it is a great excuse for blowing off FOIAs apparently.