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[Nerjin]

Didn't vote - Reject:
Griffinpup

Hold up a second. Why didn't you vote Pup?

[Lenglon]

!
Nice flavor birdie, I like.
well, considering how the discussion was going, I'm not all that surprised the vote failed. I see no reason to waste time, I want all the discussion I can get about the team I'm thinking of proposing before I lock it in.

Lenglon
GriffionPup
GriffionDay
Sheep


this leaves the following people on the sidelines:

NQT
Dariush
Tiruin
Nerjin

now, to break things down a step further:
On the team:
Lenglon - I know my presence on the team will be a deal breaker for several of you, however, reality is, I don't really care. If you have issues with me being on the team, then you have no business approving any team I propose, even if it's your ideal team. I plan on downvoting NQT's team no matter who he lists, and if his list is exactly the same as my own, then i'll make that list on my own turn as leader. Do not let him WIFOM you out of your preferred team please. - Not Negotiable

GriffPup - I'm reasonably sure he's town. He pointed out NQT's slip, and NQT had a freudian slip after week 2's mission where he said GriffPup instead of Past Me. meaning he put us both in similar categories in his mind. I've pretty much gotten a consistent town feel from him.- Not Negotiable

GriffDay - My read on him is weaker than my read on GriffPup, but I noticed that Past Him was the first person to mention switching Dariush with Past Me on NQT's proposed team. Other than that, I don't have much evidence either way on him. I think he's town though. - Negotiable

Sheep - My read on him is the weakest of my reads on team members. Researching Past Him resulted in a total lack of data, and there was nobody in his playerslot during the critical pre-team-lock-week-2 time period. overall, he's pretty null to me. - Negotiable

Off the team:
Nerjin - I've got a pretty weak read on him in general for some reason. The fact of the matter is when I was writing down my notes on people by memory, the page about Nerjin said:

Nerjin
...
why is this page blank?
Why is this page blank!??!
U
U
D
D

considering the fact that NQT had to be communicating to someone, and the alternative to it being Dariush is Nerjin, I figured I'd leave him on the sidelines for now. - Negotiable

Tiruin - I've presented why I think she's scummy about three times now, but I'll try to make a concise recap of the situation. Weeks 1 and 2 she downvoted because there wasn't enough talking. she then Upvoted Week 3 Day 1 without any discussion. She specifically said she didn't trust Dariush's teampicks Week 2, and on Week 3 Day 1 she upvoted a team containing two out of the three people on Dariush's teampicks. And (new) she didn't find the one person that was removed from the list scummy. also (new) although she did say Dariush should be swapped for Past Me week 2, she was among the slowest to do so of those who did. finally, I just don't get a Rebel feel from her. emotionally she feels like a spy to me. - Not Negotiable

Dariush - Please see the list of ways NQT fingered Dariush in the big wall o' text I posted above. the two options for who NQT was communicating too is Nerjin and Dariush, and I think it's Dariush he was talking too. His reaction to GriffPup pointing it out also bothers me a lot, and so does his activity drop. - Not Negotiable

NQT - See the wall o' text above. - Not Negotiable
GriffPup: why didn't you vote?

[Nerjin]

Lenglon
GriffionPup
GriffionDay
Sheep

So we're boned. This team contains my two scum-picks [Lenglon and Sheep]. Lenglon due to some reasons I'll get into to in a moment. But Sheep for his utter insistence that Dariush is scum and Tiruin is trying to hard to appear town based on a simple slip. If I vote up the team gets sabotaged. If I don't then the team automatically fails.

Lenglon - I know my presence on the team will be a deal breaker for several of you, however, reality is, I don't really care. If you have issues with me being on the team, then you have no business approving any team I propose, even if it's your ideal team. I plan on downvoting NQT's team no matter who he lists, and if his list is exactly the same as my own, then i'll make that list on my own turn as leader. Do not let him WIFOM you out of your preferred team please. - Not Negotiable

The SCUMMIEST thing I have EVER read in my life. You absolutely CANNOT be town with that sort of play. "Hey guys I know if this team fails we lose. So I'm gonna pick a super-controversial team and if you don't like it fuck off and lose." I'll give you this though: Thanks for making it so bloody obvious that the town has lost this mission.

GriffPup - I'm reasonably sure he's town. He pointed out NQT's slip, and NQT had a freudian slip after week 2's mission where he said GriffPup instead of Past Me. meaning he put us both in similar categories in his mind. I've pretty much gotten a consistent town feel from him.- Not Negotiable

I have no issues with this.

GriffDay - My read on him is weaker than my read on GriffPup, but I noticed that Past Him was the first person to mention switching Dariush with Past Me on NQT's proposed team. Other than that, I don't have much evidence either way on him. I think he's town though. - Negotiable

So a gut read is what you base a critical mission on? That's also very scummy just so you know. Little tip: In future games you could be less obvious. Sorta takes away the fun if you basically shout your scumitude to the heavens.

Sheep - My read on him is the weakest of my reads on team members. Researching Past Him resulted in a total lack of data, and there was nobody in his playerslot during the critical pre-team-lock-week-2 time period. overall, he's pretty null to me. - Negotiable

Already discussed this.

Nerjin - I've got a pretty weak read on him in general for some reason. The fact of the matter is when I was writing down my notes on people by memory, the page about Nerjin said:

Nerjin
...
why is this page blank?
Why is this page blank!??!
U
U
D
D

considering the fact that NQT had to be communicating to someone, and the alternative to it being Dariush is Nerjin, I figured I'd leave him on the sidelines for now. - Negotiable

Well... I laughed. Thanks for that. I did need it. But other than that you have a decent reason.

Tiruin -  [. . .] she didn't find the one person that was removed from the list scummy. also (new) although she did say Dariush should be swapped for Past Me week 2, she was among the slowest to do so of those who did. finally, I just don't get a Rebel feel from her. emotionally she feels like a spy to me. - Not Negotiable

Funny thing is that you're stating that you'd do the same thing.

I plan on downvoting NQT's team no matter who he lists, and if his list is exactly the same as my own, then i'll make that list on my own turn as leader.

Also: Stop treating people letting Remuthra onto the team as a town-tell. This proves NOTHING. Town doesn't know who is town and who isn't so letting Remuthra on wouldn't be a town-tell. EVER.

Dariush - Please see the list of ways NQT fingered Dariush in the big wall o' text I posted above. the two options for who NQT was communicating too is Nerjin and Dariush, and I think it's Dariush he was talking too. His reaction to GriffPup pointing it out also bothers me a lot, and so does his activity drop. - Not Negotiable

I think NQT was communicating to you actually. Though I am loathe to admit the drop in activity is a bit disappointing.

NQT - See the wall o' text above. - Not Negotiable

Is your real last name Greyhound by any chance? Because I've never seen such a bus before.

I think the scum-team is as follows:

Lenglon - For Remuthra's behavior and several things I've pointed out above.

TWS - For reasons I also pointed out above.

NQT - Yeah I just can't get past the fact that he so obviously put up a scum-strategy. At the time it seemed like conversation but his excuses for doing so just don't hold up. I am CERTAIN that he is a spy now. 100%

[Lenglon]

The SCUMMIEST thing I have EVER read in my life. You absolutely CANNOT be town with that sort of play. "Hey guys I know if this team fails we lose. So I'm gonna pick a super-controversial team and if you don't like it fuck off and lose." I'll give you this though: Thanks for making it so bloody obvious that the town has lost this mission.

what?
No, what I'm saying is upvoteing a team that I propose, while being unwilling to accept me being on that team, is hypocritical. if I'm scum then I'm going to propose teams with scumbuddies on them, barring WIFOM.

GriffDay - My read on him is weaker than my read on GriffPup, but I noticed that Past Him was the first person to mention switching Dariush with Past Me on NQT's proposed team. Other than that, I don't have much evidence either way on him. I think he's town though. - Negotiable

So a gut read is what you base a critical mission on? That's also very scummy just so you know. Little tip: In future games you could be less obvious. Sorta takes away the fun if you basically shout your scumitude to the heavens.

Firstly, Negotiable means that I'm willing to switch him out if someone gives me a good reason too.
Secondly, compared to the people who aren't on the team, he is less scummy. I have evidence FOR him, and I have evidence AGAINST the others.
Thirdly, I trust my gut.

Tiruin -  [. . .] she didn't find the one person that was removed from the list scummy. also (new) although she did say Dariush should be swapped for Past Me week 2, she was among the slowest to do so of those who did. finally, I just don't get a Rebel feel from her. emotionally she feels like a spy to me. - Not Negotiable

Funny thing is that you're stating that you'd do the same thing.

Nerjin: What on earth do you think I said? the part you pointed out would be a sign towards her not being allied with NQT, due to her acting against him. but, that delay meant that she could have gauged the rest of the town's reaction before posting it. It's only noteworthy because she posted 1, 2before the proposed swap, while it was being discussed without agreeing or questioning and then eventually gave it her backing after Shinigami, Past me, and Nerjin all speak in favor of it, but without any actual  discussion of the proposition.

seriously, what did you think I was saying?

I plan on downvoting NQT's team no matter who he lists, and if his list is exactly the same as my own, then i'll make that list on my own turn as leader.

Also: Stop treating people letting Remuthra onto the team as a town-tell. This proves NOTHING. Town doesn't know who is town and who isn't so letting Remuthra on wouldn't be a town-tell. EVER.

Nerjin: what? what does the quote have to do with the comment, and when did I EVER treat things like that?

TWS - For reasons I also pointed out above.

Nerjin:you didn't point them out, or if you did I missed them. please provide your case on him. I marked his presence as Negotiable for a reason. If you can provide good reasons for me to swap him for you, I'm willing to do it.
seriously Nerjin, you've got me pretty confused here.

[Lenglon]

wait a sec, I just did a re-read of Nerjin's post and I may have one of the core game mechanics wrong.

is there a limit to the number of times we can refuse to send a team? I thought we could do that as many times as we wanted. If there is a limit then I need to change things up, including what I plan to do when it becomes NQT's turn as team leader again.

[Lenglon]

If this team is not approved, then we proceed to Day Four and the Mission will counted as a failure.[/b]

freaking... ok, change of plans.

I need the team to pass, so my presence becomes Negotiable. sorry about that. My first draft of a team remains the same, but I can understand why I might need to be excluded.

[Nerjin]

The SCUMMIEST thing I have EVER read in my life. You absolutely CANNOT be town with that sort of play. "Hey guys I know if this team fails we lose. So I'm gonna pick a super-controversial team and if you don't like it fuck off and lose." I'll give you this though: Thanks for making it so bloody obvious that the town has lost this mission.

what?
No, what I'm saying is upvoteing a team that I propose, while being unwilling to accept me being on that team, is hypocritical. if I'm scum then I'm going to propose teams with scumbuddies on them, barring WIFOM.

I think there might be a slight miscommunication here. Allow me to explain:

1. If your team does not pass this week is a FAILURE. Worrying on it's own.
2. You put yourself on the team despite most people thinking you're spy or, at the very least, wary of you. Poor play even without #1.
3. You call this unnegotiable. You will NOT take yourself off.

You're essentially saying, to my mind, "Hey guys send me or lose. Even if you have decent reasons to be wary of doing so I will not listen to them. My way or the high way."

I didn't say anything about voting up a team with you on it just cause you didn't suggest it. In fact I'd like to point out that nobody was against Remuthra back when "you" were put onto the team.

GriffDay - My read on him is weaker than my read on GriffPup, but I noticed that Past Him was the first person to mention switching Dariush with Past Me on NQT's proposed team. Other than that, I don't have much evidence either way on him. I think he's town though. - Negotiable

So a gut read is what you base a critical mission on? That's also very scummy just so you know. Little tip: In future games you could be less obvious. Sorta takes away the fun if you basically shout your scumitude to the heavens.

Firstly, Negotiable means that I'm willing to switch him out if someone gives me a good reason too.
Secondly, compared to the people who aren't on the team, he is less scummy. I have evidence FOR him, and I have evidence AGAINST the others.
Thirdly, I trust my gut.

1. I misread that. My bad.
2. I bolded your "reason" for him. Suggesting putting you on a team is NOT a town-tell. So you have NO evidence for him.
3. Mind if I take a small break from playing the game to play IC for a second?

[[Trusting your gut is a pretty terrible reason to state for a read on a critical mission. The town NEEDS this sort of play. I want you to keep that in mind for future mafia games alright?]]

3a. Now that I've said that I'd like to point out that you NEVER admit to be going off your gut reads. EVER. You're supposed to be convincing us that this will win town the game. Something like that is just poor play that basically admits you're spy.

Tiruin -  [. . .] she didn't find the one person that was removed from the list scummy. also (new) although she did say Dariush should be swapped for Past Me week 2, she was among the slowest to do so of those who did. finally, I just don't get a Rebel feel from her. emotionally she feels like a spy to me. - Not Negotiable

Funny thing is that you're stating that you'd do the same thing.

Nerjin: What on earth do you think I said? the part you pointed out would be a sign towards her not being allied with NQT, due to her acting against him. but, that delay meant that she could have gauged the rest of the town's reaction before posting it. It's only noteworthy because she posted 1, 2before the proposed swap, while it was being discussed without agreeing or questioning and then eventually gave it her backing after Shinigami, Past me, and Nerjin all speak in favor of it, but without any actual  discussion of the proposition.

seriously, what did you think I was saying?

I plan on downvoting NQT's team no matter who he lists, and if his list is exactly the same as my own, then i'll make that list on my own turn as leader.

Also: Stop treating people letting Remuthra onto the team as a town-tell. This proves NOTHING. Town doesn't know who is town and who isn't so letting Remuthra on wouldn't be a town-tell. EVER.

Nerjin: what? what does the quote have to do with the comment, and when did I EVER treat things like that?

What that thing above me saying "Stop treating people..." is referring to is actually how you were doing the same thing you had gotten on Tiruin about.

As for when you treat things like that:

GriffDay - My read on him is weaker than my read on GriffPup, but I noticed that Past Him was the first person to mention switching Dariush with Past Me on NQT's proposed team. Other than that, I don't have much evidence either way on him. I think he's town though. - Negotiable

PPE:

If this team is not approved, then we proceed to Day Four and the Mission will counted as a failure.[/b]

freaking... ok, change of plans.

I need the team to pass, so my presence becomes Negotiable. sorry about that. My first draft of a team remains the same, but I can understand why I might need to be excluded.

Yeah. That's a MAJOR thing to forget since it was literally JUST mentioned... TWICE. I don't trust you kiddo. Sorry but suspension of disbelieve only goes so far. If there'd been several posts, maybe a page or two, between it being mentioned I'd be more inclined to believe you. But as it was mentioned: 4 posts [2 of which were me referencing it and 1 of which was a single line asking a question]

PLUS you actually commented on GriffPup not voting. Which is literally 3 lines above the "Last chance to get this mission in" thing.

[Tiruin]

PFP - Stressed. Moody. Bad stuff. Excuse any offense.

Tiruin - I've presented why I think she's scummy about three times now, but I'll try to make a concise recap of the situation. ¹Weeks 1 and 2 she downvoted because there wasn't enough talking. she then Upvoted Week 3 Day 1 without any discussion. ²She specifically said she didn't trust Dariush's teampicks Week 2, and on Week 3 Day 1 she upvoted a team containing two out of the three people on Dariush's teampicks. ³And (new) she didn't find the one person that was removed from the list scummy. also (new) although she did say Dariush should be swapped for Past Me week 2, she was among the slowest to do so of those who did. finally, I just don't get a Rebel feel from her. emotionally she feels like a spy to me. - Not Negotiable

Now I'm insulted.

Non negotiable, huh? Nice jump from ambivalent and asking for my reasons. You don't bother to link those things which would thus clarify your proof even further, hmm?

Check the bolded statements. I clarified why and what I did yet you still poke at your initial thought rendering what other questions you asked me later on (which I in the least expected you to bring up since you've got...I don't know, a case on me?) #1.

#2 is blatant misuse and corruption of words. Hence most of why I'm insulted.

The last one? I'm under the impression that you read, right, so I'll just link it all through text.

You're attempting to undermine be by pushing half-made statements Lenglon. While I did say [this] or [that], where's the context? Where's the meaning behind that context, and your context--what is the explicit reasoning behind them? Wait, PPE.

...You think too much. Can I just say one thing:
PFP. >_<
> TImezones.
> Being busy in general.
What in the world would I gain by 'gauging' whatever by just waiting and seeing responses? I judge the team by reason and not by general consensus! Because that's really irking me on the side of bias. Whether Spy or Rebel, I don't go along with the crowd in my votes, ma'am.

This is the reaction anyone would get if they judge without asking and label without excusing even a tiiiiiny bit of space for those in a different timezone.

Or would rather ask about what's going on in the PFP mark. I make sure that any post I make has at least legible content, and content which matters. Only for it to be discounted on probable reason?

And to think my views were wavering on you being scum.

PS: On that last link you did? That's me continuing the modus operandi of checking in. WHile it is true that I did not give a definitive answer; I did not have one due to the people in question, which I chose to poke on instead on wholesomely agreeing or disagreeing.

Do note that

[url\http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126947.msg4324914#msg4324914]Yep, her last link.[/url]

leads to the context which denounces what is being said in the post above.

Unless I believe you missed me poking at the singular members of the team, madam?

#3: I didn't find...wait.

Compare that with this.

You mean Dariush? He was siding alongside Neutrality on my point. I was basing my views on him given from his situation as a leader D1, as well as continuing the line of thought in his proceeding posts. Griffin's own reasons given for them also count in that equation.

This is the joy of links. Use them.

And check the result will you?

It's very annoying replying to one-liners when the impression is of a set-up moreso than a misunderstanding. Tell me, how would I see him as scum at the time being? Purely hypothetical, but given how you word that I want to see how you see him.

LASTLY.

Feels? That's it? All you have is BLOODY FEELS?! and yet you set people up as non negotiable? What basis do feels have in a rational argument--yes they can be used as backing, but not solely as a primary cause. That leads to bias of confirmation.

Emotionally, I'm pissed off. So yes, that's a spy move. Because I'm pretty tired of the time I've spent in the prison and hate it when things like these happen again. Hello psychological trauma, let's dance in a hail of lead and fire.

You've kept the same facade over and over again yet fail to expound it on that one post where you try to detail your views on the person at hand. It's lacking, it's fallible and it's only stating parts of a whole in deciding how to judge people as.

Without frickin' links.

Lenglon - I know my presence on the team will be a deal breaker for several of you, however, reality is, I don't really care. If you have issues with me being on the team, then you have no business approving any team I propose, even if it's your ideal team. I plan on downvoting NQT's team no matter who he lists, and if his list is exactly the same as my own, then i'll make that list on my own turn as leader. Do not let him WIFOM you out of your preferred team please. - Not Negotiable

So you'd put an ambiguous case of you knowing your own role over the belief of the masses, ergo Non negotiability?

"[...]I don't really care."

 

The tone in how you state this speaks everything. See, there are 5 rebels. 3 Spies. The team consists of 4 people. We can't let this notion of apathy take hold. Especially with some notion of you not really caring.

Because even in such a team, we've got 1 more rebel out if the whole team = rebel. If there's a spy, we've 2 rebels to pick from the unchosen 4.

That's pretty controversial in how you put that. And if you don't really care, what response do you want from the crowd you face, hmm?

[Tiruin]

PPE I'll really have to read through this later..

I need the team to pass, so my presence becomes Negotiable. sorry about that. My first draft of a team remains the same, but I can understand why I might need to be excluded.

Another mistake. Setting yourself infallibly in stone and appealing to success.

Don't do that, especially in drafts. Because they're drafts, and are liable to change based on consensus of others and of the self.

Did you expound yet on my downvoting/upvoting and their consequences or implications yet?

[Tiruin]

I sounded a lot more offensive given the context I posted that in... :/

Please don't take that personally 

[Lenglon]

...
Yeah, I'm kinda out of it right now apparently.
if folks dont mind I'm going to go get some rest before doing too much follow up.

Tiruin, there are three scum. NQT, the scum he was speaking too, and the scum he wasn't speaking too.
I think the one he was speaking to was dariush.
my best guess for the one he wasn't is you.

I wanted to mark each of my personal picks for each role as non-negotiable because I thought that my team wasn't going to pass in any case, and I figured I might as well go for the longshot and take a firme stance.
I should have been paying more attention.

I...
*sigh*
Yeah, I wasn't being fair to you Tiruin.
look, I need to re-eval, and I put the team in blue for good reason.
lets just assume everyone but NQT is negotiable, ok?

I'll be posting actual content tomorrow, sorry. I really don't like it when I mess up like this.

[Tiruin]

Yeah, I know that feeling of messing up :/

Sorry for posting it with that much.. vitriol.

[Dariush]

Mod:

If this team is not approved, then we proceed to Day Four and the Mission will counted as a failure.

In the previous game, the team was autoapproved without voting, and that approach seems way more sensible than just autofailing.

Week 3, Day 1) he has a long drawn-out fight with Sheep, justifying why he didn't include himself in his randomly selected team. he implies that scum will sabotage week 1, and that it is better to get the first sabotage over with than to minimize the risk of a spy on the first team by self-including, although he never says it directly.

that one.
Is it accurate?

I... have no idea what you're saying here, really. I didn't say any of those things. 'Minimize the risk of a spy on the first team by self-including' is a good idea from the perspective of a town leader, and nobody else, because it directly violates the 'all random team' postulate and other people don't know that the leader who just decided to stick himself onto the team is town, and will likely downvote, so this action will actually worsen the town's chances because town's opinion of a townie who was a leader will worsen, thus decreasing his chances of being on a team, thus increasing the chances of scum being on a team.

Dariush - Please see the list of ways NQT fingered Dariush in the big wall o' text I posted above. the two options for who NQT was communicating too is Nerjin and Dariush, and I think it's Dariush he was talking too. His reaction to GriffPup pointing it out also bothers me a lot, and so does his activity drop. - Not Negotiable

Wait... what? So your entire case on me is just assuming that NQT communicated with me, my attack on GP (hint: what you're doing is called chainsawing. Read up on it) and a horrible activity drop that nobody who isn't you noticed. Including me. Yes, I was absent on two or three days over the last two weeks, but for some reason (this reason being that you're scum) you chose to ignore it that the posts following those absences are way longer.

TWS:

Also:

Tiruin and TheWetSheep get moderate town points for downvoting the mission.

No they don't. If they're town, they didn't have any way to know there would be a spy on the team any more than the rest of us.

This is some of the stupidest logic I've seen. If we were spies, though, we would want the team passed, since it had at least one spy on it.

Huh, I thought I answered it.

Have you heard about such a thing as 'lie'? As 'deceit'? Have you considered the possibility that scum won't always upvote every team that contains a spy and downvote every team that doesn't? That they would want to look town? I realize that this possibility is extremely miniscule (because which spies don't want to be caught, duh), but I still think that it is worthy of consideration.

Does this mean that no information can be gained from who votes what? I mean, sure, it's not definite, but it doesn't mean it's meaningless.

FFS, stop twisting my words. I didn't say this, because this is stupid. No, spies won't always vote in their favour, but they will generally do so. I see no reason (well, other than that you're scum) why you keep assuming that there are only two radical possibilities - 'spies always vote in their favour' and 'votes are meaningless for alignment reads'.

In no specific order: the post I answered above, the absolutely idiotic Occam's Razor argument, demanding everyone's answers to a question about D1 laying low as spy (which spies have no reason to answer truthfully) before locking in your team, ignoring everything said and locking in your team unchanged, the idiotic idea of one spy (Remuthra) trying to push another spy (me) onto the team because I'm more experienced

Addressed in order:
-Why is that scummy?
-At that point there was little activity. I was trying to add discussion.
-That was Griffionday, not me who put out the poll
-I didn't ignore what people said, and people were telling me to choose my team quickly
-Why is it idiotic?

Also, do you consider faulty logic to be a scumtell?

- Because insane troll logic about spies always upvoting teams with spies on them;
- It is still incredibly stupid and didn't add to the discussion in any way, other than people pointing out what an unbelievable dumbass you have to be to make such a suggestion;
- I don't care about the poll itself. If GD wants it to make a probability sheet, to hell with him. You refused to lock the team in until me and Nerjin answered it.
- You did ignore everything said. Pretty much everyone (except your scumbuddies) agreed that the team is stupid and told you they would downvote. What did you do? You put the exact same team up to voting without any explanations.
- Look at all the people who have been on the failed team. GP has only been in like one or two non-BMs, NQT is a dumbass, Nerjin... okay, he's moderately good. Do you see any of them panicking about how inexperienced they are and how they can't handle the blame if the mission fails? Do you actually see any way to directly defend against a question 'Why did the team you were on fail?' other than 'one of the other guys did it'? Hint: you don't.
- Of course I do consider faulty logic a scumtell. After all, you're spewing it left and right like the salvation of your soul depends on it.

[Lenglon]

Lenglon is laying on the ground to one side of the group, trying to sleep.
"I hurt my friend"
Restless, she rolls over and opens her wet eyes to look at the group, at her angry teammates, at their meager resources. They're all running out of time, and she just destroyed her teammates trust.
"I hurt my friend."
Rolling back over, images flash through her head. memories of her mistake. Her foolish assumption that they had all the time in the world.
"I hurt my friend"
She has to get this right. Nerjin is right. If she gets this wrong, if she sends the wrong team, they're all doomed.
If she messes up. If she sends a spy, everyone will assume she is a spy. there will be no way for them to complete their final mission, because they won't trust her anymore.
This is the last chance for everyone.
Wait...
Lenglon sits up.
This is the last chance... for EVERYONE.
what if she gets it right?
Her friend's lack of trust won't matter anymore! All they have to do is pick the same team + 1 person, ANY person. spy or not!
that... that will be their three missions!
this really is the final hour, and the position of leadership has been left too her!
... It's time to lead.
Lenglon stands up, and turns to rejoin the group, slightly shivering, still exhausted, but knowing that she has, Has to say this to everyone
It doesn't matter if you trust me or not, for this one time only, for this one day only, I am confirmed town
Not after, not before, and not because of ANY proof, but for one simple reason.
You don't get a choice in the matter.
Since I'm the final team leader for the day, if my team isn't passed, then it's the same as if the mission was sabotaged.
Even if I decide on a final team that is nothing but spies, you have to upvote it.
and know what else? even if you think this is the scummiest thing in the world, if my team succeeds on this mission, all you have to do to make us win is pick the same team + 1 person. ANY person. one spy won't be enough to cause the next mission to lose.
and that will be our three missions.
So you know what? Stop wasting your damn time talking about if I'm scum or not. If I'm scum you're doomed anyway. Nerjin's right.
Instead, help me pick the winning team for us.
If this team fails, we're doomed anyway.
If this team wins, we win.
It's that simple.
I WILL be on this team, because I have ALL the power, that's why.
Time to switch gears people, You need to convince me who the other three will be.

And Tiruin? I...
I'm sorry.

Current Team lineup, and I see no reason to bother explaining why to anyone.
Lenglon
GriffPup
GriffDay
Nerjin

Have a Nice Day.

[Nerjin]

You're on it. So no.

May I propose, for the consideration of the Town, that we put to a vote who goes on the team? Each person puts up who they'd want to send and the 4 people who've been voted on going the most get to head out?

As I don't trust Lenglon it seems more prudent to do something at least similar to that.

After all, Lenglon my dear, if you ARE town why not allow the town to choose what is essentially their best chance to win? It'd go a long way to establish some credibility on your part. Other-wise we all know that you'll just try to throw yourself or a scum-buddy on the team. Unless of course you DON'T have the town's best interest in mind?