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[Nerjin]

Tiruin: Quite town.

Why? Please state reasons.

Griffinpup: Hard to tell. He did that gambit of the untrustworthy team, but that could just be a cover-up, I suppose.

Uh... What Gambit?

Nerjin: Very slight scum. Mostly based off my gut, though.

Please point out specific examples that set off your scum-dar please. It's hard for others to follow what you mean with vague things such as gut feelings.

Remuthra: I don't know. He gave up, yes, but I can't tell if it's defeatist town or defeatist scum. It would be a huge benefit to his credibility if he came back and started playing again, though.

NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! DO NOT FALL INTO THIS TRAP! I did the same thing last Rev. Simply coming back and playing isn't enough. You must play well. In fact I would say the fact that he quit because of WIFOM that hadn't even been directed at him yet is plenty of reason to hazard that he has a guilty conscious.

[Tiruin]

Based of the success of Mission 1: NQT, Griffinpup, Nerjin, Dariush? I'd prefer if I was switched with Dariush, but I'd like your feedback.

Based off who looks towny: NQT, Tiruin, myself and Griffinpup or Shinigami.

I'd rather have NQT, Griffinpup, Dariush and Nerjin. If you doubt anyone there, then replace me in judging by your views.

I'd like to question your views and demand reasoning though.

NQT: Slight town. He's playing pretty much like normal, with a bit more lurkiness. -This is a blank. It must be detailed more.
Tiruin: Quite town. - This is also a blank. You should expound on it to make it filling.
Griffinpup: Hard to tell. He did that gambit of the untrustworthy team, but that could just be a cover-up, I suppose.
Dariush: Slight scum. He's gotten townier, but his actions still feel a bit weird. This is vague. It is hard to see comparing those notions to anything else unless you have basis. How weird is Dariush?
Nerjin: Very slight scum. Mostly based off my gut, though. This is another a blank. What do you see in him that nudges you that way? Perhaps you ate of the explosive apple, huh?
Remuthra: I don't know. He gave up, yes, but I can't tell if it's defeatist town or defeatist scum. It would be a huge benefit to his credibility if he came back and started playing again, though. How credible would it be, especially since he has broken Mafia law that you should not talk about the game, out of the game?
Shinigami/replacement: Null. I haven't seen enough from him yet, and I'd like to wait for the replacement.

You all seem to be assuming that Remuthra's scum. Why?

I have clerical evidence to assume such. While I've been thinking he was defeatist town with a huge streak of worry, it doesn't match up in the intention as well as the notion of how things proceeded. He did not detail why he could be a scapegoat (while any thoughtful rebel who would've cared would do something..or perhaps its his self esteem. I can't relate with the latter as I've a very low self esteem anyway.)

Pertinent points are that he's being pointed in stating WIFOM of a hypothetical case. He brought it up in the first place, and yet he won't defend his own point. That, and he's basically shutting up, for the lack of my temperament poking in.

But back to that notion. The continuity? I'd like to leave the reasoning to you. Start reading here,
(and probably the question it is answering), then follow the train of thought from there, as well as the timing of posts and declaration of teams.

To clarify and perhaps forward my point: He is scum for the lack of doing anything about it.
This is not a Mafia game, but like a mafia game given the altruistic nature of trust and believing others. It is focused on Communication. To quote the original creator.

What he's doing? Negative communication. Cutting the line and lacking any sort of believable statement to make any rational sense.

To forward that point, in truth, I partly thought that Dariush would go off and rage again and again with toppings of profanity on the poor guy. But he didn't. (Sorry Dar, I was biased on a part there). This explains another facet of my view on him. He's not playing. At all.


Aaaand Nerjin sums up most of what I'm trying to say >.> Guilty conscience.

Remuthra: I don't know. He gave up, yes, but I can't tell if it's defeatist town or defeatist scum. It would be a huge benefit to his credibility if he came back and started playing again, though.

NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! DO NOT FALL INTO THIS TRAP! I did the same thing last Rev. Simply coming back and playing isn't enough. You must play well. In fact I would say the fact that he quit because of WIFOM that hadn't even been directed at him yet is plenty of reason to hazard that he has a guilty conscious.

However, Nerjin, what WIFOM do you see? Where was it directed?

[Dariush]

Based of the success of Mission 1: NQT, Griffinpup, Nerjin, Dariush? I'd prefer if I was switched with Dariush, but I'd like your feedback.

I'd prefer GP to be switched for someone who wasn't on a mission yet. Not only do I have a fairly scum read on him, but also otherwise we would begin W4 with three people about whose alignment we have no solid (i.e. mission result-related) information at all.

Heard of a hypothesis? Just because I say that looking at the facts a certain way leads me to a certain conclusion doesn't mean I'm convinced of the conclusion. I like to voice my thoughts.

A hypothesis for which you have no proof beyond 'lol wouldn't that be awesome, also guys, I'm town please believe me' and that is almost guaranteed to be false? I don't see the point of voicing it and wasting the time of everyone who read this mindvomit.

[Nerjin]

Remuthra: I don't know. He gave up, yes, but I can't tell if it's defeatist town or defeatist scum. It would be a huge benefit to his credibility if he came back and started playing again, though.

NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! DO NOT FALL INTO THIS TRAP! I did the same thing last Rev. Simply coming back and playing isn't enough. You must play well. In fact I would say the fact that he quit because of WIFOM that hadn't even been directed at him yet is plenty of reason to hazard that he has a guilty conscious.

However, Nerjin, what WIFOM do you see? Where was it directed?

That's my point. He didn't have ANY WIFOM directed at him. He simply assumed it was coming said "I can't argue against this." and then left.

There's absolutely NO reason for that sort of defeatist attitude. Not only has he crippled town with one less person to search the game for threads that may lead back to scum BUT he's given up because of something that no one brought up. Nobody looked at him and said "You were added to the mission. The one before that succeeded. You must be scum." No. In fact almost EVERYONE said the opposite. "Hey that'd be WIFOM dude, don't worry about it." But he just gave up because "I can't defend against it." When it wasn't even being pointed at him anyways.

[griffinpup]

Dariush, why am I scummy?

[birdy51]

And I have returned... Wooh!

I shall begin the search for a replacement of Shinigami King immediately.

[Tiruin]

I think you forgot to search for one for Remuthra, too.

[birdy51]

I will give him tomorrow. The weekend is always a busier time, and I have not yet issued a final warning.

If he does not put forth any meaningful input, then I will be forced to seek out a replacement for him as well.

[griffinpup]

How's finding replacements going?

Also,

Dariush, why am I scummy?

Are there any questions still lying around that I haven't answered, everyone?

[Tiruin]

I think Dakarian's speech about dead days last here.

Hey wait, +1 to replacements. Remuthra isn't speaking. :/

[Nerjin]

Though to be fair not much of anyone is talkig due to a lack of anything to speak about.

[birdy51]

I think Dakarian's speech about dead days last here.

Hey wait, +1 to replacements. Remuthra isn't speaking. :/

Indeed.

[TheWetSheep]

OK, sorry, I should have gotten to this earlier.

Nerjin:

Tiruin: Quite town.

Why? Please state reasons.

As I said before, she seems to be the one putting the most thought into the game, trying to figure out things instead of upvoting every team and waiting for information to fall into her lap.

Griffinpup: Hard to tell. He did that gambit of the untrustworthy team, but that could just be a cover-up, I suppose.

Uh... What Gambit?

He saidhis controversial team picks were to get some conversation going.

Nerjin: Very slight scum. Mostly based off my gut, though.

Please point out specific examples that set off your scum-dar please. It's hard for others to follow what you mean with vague things such as gut feelings.

Where you agree that there's nothing to base suspicions off D1, yet still ask RVS questions is one example.

Also:

I might be wrong sheep but... You still haven't posted your vote yet have you?

Were you talking about sending in my vote or posting in-thread? The wording seems to mean the latter. I find that suspicious, since scum would want to know what I was voting.

Remuthra: I don't know. He gave up, yes, but I can't tell if it's defeatist town or defeatist scum. It would be a huge benefit to his credibility if he came back and started playing again, though.

NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! DO NOT FALL INTO THIS TRAP! I did the same thing last Rev. Simply coming back and playing isn't enough. You must play well. In fact I would say the fact that he quit because of WIFOM that hadn't even been directed at him yet is plenty of reason to hazard that he has a guilty conscious.

OK, I get it now. Especially since a townie would need us to trust him because if we don't get all 5 of us on the last team it'll fail.

Tiruin:

I'd like to question your views and demand reasoning though.

NQT: Slight town. He's playing pretty much like normal, with a bit more lurkiness. -This is a blank. It must be detailed more.
Tiruin: Quite town. - This is also a blank. You should expound on it to make it filling.
Griffinpup: Hard to tell. He did that gambit of the untrustworthy team, but that could just be a cover-up, I suppose.
Dariush: Slight scum. He's gotten townier, but his actions still feel a bit weird. This is vague. It is hard to see comparing those notions to anything else unless you have basis. How weird is Dariush?
Nerjin: Very slight scum. Mostly based off my gut, though. This is another a blank. What do you see in him that nudges you that way? Perhaps you ate of the explosive apple, huh?
Remuthra: I don't know. He gave up, yes, but I can't tell if it's defeatist town or defeatist scum. It would be a huge benefit to his credibility if he came back and started playing again, though. How credible would it be, especially since he has broken Mafia law that you should not talk about the game, out of the game?

Shinigami/replacement: Null. I haven't seen enough from him yet, and I'd like to wait for the replacement.

Yeah, I know I didn't have very well-based reasons for these, but keep in mind we're only at 13 pages of game so far.

NQT: Slight town. He's playing pretty much like normal, with a bit more lurkiness. -This is a blank. It must be detailed more.

I know it should be detailed more, but I haven't seen enough from him to develop a well-based read yet. I'll need to look at him closer sometime, but unfortunately that time won't be now.

Tiruin: Quite town. - This is also a blank. You should expound on it to make it filling.

Nerjin: Very slight scum. Mostly based off my gut, though. This is another a blank. What do you see in him that nudges you that way? Perhaps you ate of the explosive apple, huh?

See response to Nerjin.

Dariush: Slight scum. He's gotten townier, but his actions still feel a bit weird. This is vague. It is hard to see comparing those notions to anything else unless you have basis. How weird is Dariush?

Tiruin and TheWetSheep get moderate town points for downvoting the mission.

No they don't. If they're town, they didn't have any way to know there would be a spy on the team any more than the rest of us.

This is some of the stupidest logic I've seen. If we were spies, though, we would want the team passed, since it had at least one spy on it.

I also still disagree with him on some points that we argued about, because I'm wary of arguing with someone who will insult me because I disagree with him.

Remuthra: I don't know. He gave up, yes, but I can't tell if it's defeatist town or defeatist scum. It would be a huge benefit to his credibility if he came back and started playing again, though. How credible would it be, especially since he has broken Mafia law that you should not talk about the game, out of the game?

I don't see how that changes the credibility. It didn't really change anything, after all.

[Tiruin]

PFP

Dariush: Slight scum. He's gotten townier, but his actions still feel a bit weird. This is vague. It is hard to see comparing those notions to anything else unless you have basis. How weird is Dariush?

Tiruin and TheWetSheep get moderate town points for downvoting the mission.

No they don't. If they're town, they didn't have any way to know there would be a spy on the team any more than the rest of us.

This is some of the stupidest logic I've seen. If we were spies, though, we would want the team passed, since it had at least one spy on it.

I also still disagree with him on some points that we argued about, because I'm wary of arguing with someone who will insult me because I disagree with him.

He doesn't give pure insults though. Is that keeping you from arguing with him? The insult screen?

It can be easily waived if you replace and and all expletives with a kind word. Like Fluffy.

[TheWetSheep]

He doesn't give pure insults though. Is that keeping you from arguing with him? The insult screen?

It can be easily waived if you replace and and all expletives with a kind word. Like Fluffy.

Eh. I have a problem where it's kind of hard to deal with knowing that other people are angry at me. It's kind of a bad thing when playing Mafia, but it's also one of the things I hope playing it will improve.

So yeah, I'll try not to let it get in the way.