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[Tiruin]

fair enough, and I value all the input I can get. I really don't like the way everyone has stopped talking, it's making this even harder than I expected
at least when people were railing at me I could get some idea of how they thought, this total silence... well, it sucks.

Have no fear! It is merely the weekend. Slowdowns are to be expected.

This little birdy told me one thing.

And another.

And another...

Until I had to decide.

reviewing the post Tiruin got angry at me in...
Yeah, I deserved that.

No you didn't. You deserved berating on the context, but not as a straightforward point--that I'm really sorry about..and I really appreciate the apologies in return :/

Still, I'm still getting something's off in the last team.

And by that team I don't mean

Lenglon
GriffPup
Tiruin
Sheep - Scum. :I

But

Lenglon
GriffPup
Tiruin
Nerjin

I'll explain my views on the matter, but there are details I'm not picking up-that I'm at least sure of. Currently, with the skim, I'm wondering why Lenglon would put that much effort--its flailing, in a superficial view, but she also has pertinent points on the rest.

Something I'm aiming to match. (Lenglon, how do you view TWS? His playstyle, and his attacking pattern?) I saw the initial parts as him doing what he did back in [Magic Mafia]..assuming a facade of aggression that can be pointed and prodded by a counter-feint.

Pertaining to me prodding his point on my 'slip'.

[Lenglon]

I view him as new and flailing. he feels a compulsion to constantly be pressuring exactly two points at any given time, and will grab weak ones if he can't find good ones. I don't see him pushing an agenda. I don't see him trying to manipulate others. I just see flawed scumhunting, which is to be expected out of someone new.

this is all off the top of my head, I'm about to get back too my re-read.

[Nerjin]

Lenglon - No. But you won't allow that will ya scum?
GriffPup - Despite being on the failed mission I'm thinking town for Pup.
Tiruin - Acceptable. Seems town enough to me.
Sheep - See below

Absolutely not. This team is UNACCEPTABLE! Not only are you on it [which basically guarantees failure] but sheep is on it as well. Take sheep off and replace him with anyone else. I'd also prefer you be off of it BUT you have stated your refusal to do such. Sheeps lurkiness [refusal to make waves] after his super-aggressiveness towards Dariush and Tiruin [trying to find evidence against them for no more reason than Not wanting to be on a team and making a mistake respectively] cement the fact that he is scum to me.

Nerjin/Day makes sense, but Dariush/Shinigami doesn't.
Dariush/Sheep makes sense, so does Nerjin/sheep?
Dariush/Tiruin... yeah, that's freaking undetectable.
Nerjin/Tiruin... same problem.

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

You put all that work into the read but don't point out why those team-ups make sense. You CAN'T do that kiddo. If you're going to push a conclusion [or five!] you need to provide the relevant evidence.

fair enough, and I value all the input I can get. I really don't like the way everyone has stopped talking, it's making this even harder than I expected
at least when people were railing at me I could get some idea of how they thought, this total silence... well, it sucks.

Yeah the weekend slow-down does suck.

I view him as new and flailing. he feels a compulsion to constantly be pressuring exactly two points at any given time, and will grab weak ones if he can't find good ones. I don't see him pushing an agenda. I don't see him trying to manipulate others. I just see flawed scumhunting, which is to be expected out of someone new.

this is all off the top of my head, I'm about to get back too my re-read.

Except for when he was pushing that Tiruin was spy for forgetting something and that Dariush was scum for not wanting to be sent on a mission. Plus the fact that he's been lurking pretty hard since before you became the furor if I recall correctly.

[Lenglon]

if by "lurking hard' you mean, "hasn't posted a single bloody thing" then yes sheep is lurking.

as for the 5 conclusions, they're based on the following assumptions:
there is one scum from the following: Nerjin, Dariush
there is one scum from the following: Sheep, Tiruin, Day
then I listed all six possible combinations and was just marking off which ones I viewed as not plausible. default state for a pairing is plausible. the only one I saw as not was Dariush/Shinigami (aka day), due to Shinigami attempting to push Dariush onto a team with NQT. the rest I don't have strong enough evidence against them to mark them off yet.
both you and Tiruin have strong scum reads of sheep apparently, Nerjin: is it reasonable to assume you are advocating a NQT/Dariush/Sheep scumteam? as your alternate to NQT/Me/Sheep of course, since you've made your position on that quite clear.

[TheWetSheep]

Yeah, sorry for my absence. It's a lot to catch up on but I'll start working on a post now.

[TheWetSheep]

First of all,

Why isn't Sheep all that scummy compared to what we're all saying about him? What's your PoV?

I see him as scatterbrained, but he never pushed his weak attacks too far. he ended up talking about them quite a bit, but that was because he was attacked for it pretty hard, and he needed to reference them to explain himself.

This, so much. I feel like I say something, a small idea, and many people jump on it, so I defend it, and the conversation keeps going on and on and people start assuming that this is what I'm basing my game off of, since that's what a lot of my posts are devoted to, because people keep pressuring me on something that isn't actually all that important.


Dariush:

TWS:

Also:

Tiruin and TheWetSheep get moderate town points for downvoting the mission.

No they don't. If they're town, they didn't have any way to know there would be a spy on the team any more than the rest of us.

This is some of the stupidest logic I've seen. If we were spies, though, we would want the team passed, since it had at least one spy on it.

Huh, I thought I answered it.

Have you heard about such a thing as 'lie'? As 'deceit'? Have you considered the possibility that scum won't always upvote every team that contains a spy and downvote every team that doesn't? That they would want to look town? I realize that this possibility is extremely miniscule (because which spies don't want to be caught, duh), but I still think that it is worthy of consideration.

Does this mean that no information can be gained from who votes what? I mean, sure, it's not definite, but it doesn't mean it's meaningless.

FFS, stop twisting my words. I didn't say this, because this is stupid. No, spies won't always vote in their favour, but they will generally do so. I see no reason (well, other than that you're scum) why you keep assuming that there are only two radical possibilities - 'spies always vote in their favour' and 'votes are meaningless for alignment reads'.

I asked you "does this mean?", and you say I'm twisting your words? And does my last sentence there look like I'm talking about two radical possibilities? Also, saying you can get information out of it kind of goes against what you say at the top of the pyramid.

(What does FFS stand for?)

- I don't care about the poll itself. If GD wants it to make a probability sheet, to hell with him. You refused to lock the team in until me and Nerjin answered it.

No I didn't. I wanted to wait until you came out of your lurking spree and answered some of the questions.

- Look at all the people who have been on the failed team. GP has only been in like one or two non-BMs, NQT is a dumbass, Nerjin... okay, he's moderately good. Do you see any of them panicking about how inexperienced they are and how they can't handle the blame if the mission fails? Do you actually see any way to directly defend against a question 'Why did the team you were on fail?' other than 'one of the other guys did it'? Hint: you don't.

Remuthra actually said "I lack the Mafia skill to defend myself against this situation." But sure, I'll leave this point for now.

Nerjin:

After all, Lenglon my dear, if you ARE town why not allow the town to choose what is essentially their best chance to win?

If she is town then putting herself on it is giving the town a better chance to win.

Dariush to me is a bit too much of a risk factor due to the questionable method of random picking, but if everyone would prefer him to Remuthra I'll put him forward.  We've actually got a serious advantage over the spies in this game: unlike last time where the spies were able to confer beforehand, the spies in this game have no way of communicating to each other. They essentially have no way of ensuring that only one of them fails the mission (if I recall correctly, the spies in the last game agreed for the alphabetically first spy to fail each mission when they doubled up) and we can use this to our advantage if, and this is likely, the spies in future missions panic and double or triple vote.

I don't think that's how it was but it's not really important. The spies are a bit more balanced in this game though I think they might be a little over-balanced [is that a thing?]

ANYWAY my point is this: If you put Dariush along with the team from last time I'll be in favor of it.

This post is suspicious to me. The first part seems like a confirmation that you got the message. You were on the spy team in VLR1, and respond with a vague "I don't think that's how it was". It's also completely unrelated to the second part.

But Sheep for his utter insistence that Dariush is scum

Utter insistence? I was considering putting him on my team!

and Tiruin is trying to hard to appear town based on a simple slip.

Again, same thing. And why am I scum for trying to find scummy things? I mean, read the part at the top of this post. I was not saying that, because of these things, these people are 100% scum. Why are you assuming I am?

Lenglon:

Sheep: how were your views on Day 2 contradicting?

Because I didn't trust Dariush and his randomly generated team but it succeeded.

NQT:

Look, Lenglon, if I were really a spy don't you think I'd have been more subtle? It's like reminding Griffpup and Griffionday that 'i' comes before 'p'...

Ridiculous. You can't be a spy because your communication was too blatant?


Now, about the matter at hand: the team.

My preferred team is pretty much the same as the one I put forward, but the Nerjin-Tiruin-Dariush spot is a lot more open now. Although Lenglon is seeming more like town now, and she's probably going to be on it no matter what.

Actually, you know what, I don't have solid enough reads on anybody. I've been spending too much time defending myself. I need to do a reread. I'll finish this post now then, I guess, and come back to it a bit later.

[Lenglon]

Spoiler: Day 4 events, pre-my-replaceing in (click to show/hide)

Nerjin questions Shinigami on not voting!
Shinigami Requests Replacement!
Tiruin is disgusted with Remuthra! Tiruin asks why downvotes!
Sheep isn't sure Remuthra is scum! Sheep uses wall of reads! Link! Sheep proposes two possible teams at once! (NQT/Pup/Nerjin/Dariush)(NQT/Tiruin/Sheep/Pup or Shinigami)
Pup asks Remuthra why!
Pup double-posts! Pup calls Shinigami scum!
Nerjin asks why sheep thinks Tiruin is town! Nerjin is confused! Nerjin is sure Remuthra is scum!
Tiruin requests a specific team! (NQT/Pup/Dariush/Nerjin, swap Tiruin for any that are problems) Tiruin questsions wall of reads! Tiruin presents lynch case on Remuthra!
Dariush wants to swap Pup for someone who hasn't been on-mission of NQT, Pup, Nerjin, and Dariush. Dariush thinks Pup is scum! Dariush uses Hate on sheep!
Nerjin is convinced Remuthra is scum!
Pup wants to know why he is scummy!
Two days pass with no posts!
Pup wants to know if replacements are coming! Pup wants to know why he is scummy!
Tiruin wants to know if replacements are coming!
Nerjin has nothing to say!
Sheep answers questions! Sheep doesn't like questioning Dariush!
Tiruin supports questioning Dariush!
Sheep is scared of angry people!
Nerjin explains scumhunting theory to sheep!
Dariush thinks Pup has bad logic! Dariush explains insults!
Sheep answers questions! Sheep is nervous! Sheep gently questions Dariush!
Pup thinks Dariush is town! (with no reasons)
Nerjin makes jokes!
Tiruin asks pup why! Tiruin asks Nerjin why!
Sheep says NQT is lurking! Sheep builds theory off Remuthra being a spy!
Tiruin isn't sure Remuthra is scum! Tiruin doesn't agree with Sheep's theories!
NQT plans on lurking until vote time!
Nerjin dislikes sheep's theories!
Pup doesn't say why Dariush is town! Pup figured out how scum communicated, but wont say it! Link!
Sheep defends his theories!
Sheep double-posts! Sheep asks Pup how scum communicated! Sheep waits to post a team!
Tiruin pokes sheep's theories!
Pup refuses to say how scum communicated!
Nerjin warns will be gone for a couple days! Nerjin asks how replacements affect voteing!
Birdy says replacements mess votes up! Birdy is letting sheep wait to post teams!
Nerjin talks about how to handle sabotages for replacements!
Sheep defends theories! Sheep asks pup to explain how scum communicated! Sheep asks birdy if he should wait to pick teams!
Tiruin questions theories!
Birdy asks Sheep to wait to pick teams!
Pup refuses to say how scum communicated! Pup gives himself a time limit to explain!
Tiruin asks pup how scum communicated!
Pup uses Snark!
I replace in!

Spoiler: Day 4, After I replace in, before team is locked in (click to show/hide)

Pup asks me questions I can't answer!
I use snark! I haven't read the thread!
Pup makes Vague accusations!
I have skimmed the thread! I use Get Off My Lawn! I post theory for Remuthra's activity! I ask vote pattern questions!
Day offers to replace in!
I finished reading! I saw how scum communicated! I give Pup a time limit to explain! I think Tiruin is a predator! I think Pup is a hypocrite! I use HUG! on Dariush!
Tiruin answers part of my question to her! Tiruin pokes my explanation for Remuthra! Tiruin asks for  my reads! Tiruin agrees she is a predator!
Nerjin thinks tackle-hugs are bad for gunshot wounds!
Nerjin dislikes Pup not explaining how scum are communicating! Nerjin pokes Pup for unanswerable questions! Nerjin thinks Pup is scum! Nerjin dislikes my explanation for Remuthra's behavior! Nerjin asks for walls of reads from me and Day!
Day replaces in! Sheep now has a time limit!
I ask Tiruin to answer the rest of my question! I use wall of reads! Link! I don't have a better explanation!
Sheep is confused! Sheep answers questions about theory! Sheep asks pup why unanswerable questions!
Pup posts key part of how NQT is communicating scum!
Pup didn't mean to post yet!
I am impatient!
Sheep explains second key part of why it is scummy!
Day starts a survey! Day delays wall of reads!
I would hide Day 1!
Pup explains the rest of why NQT is communicating scum! Pup thinks Nerjin noticed and didn't call NQT on it! Pup uses Spite on Remuthra! Pup evades why unanswerable questions! Pup would hide Day 1!
Tiruin would hide Day 1!
Day would downvote teams with NQT because he thinks NQT is scum! Day thinks Pup is bad at math!
Pup explains his math!
Day no longer thinks Pup is bad at math!
I ask Pup why the wait! I ask NQT to explain communication!
Pup is confused!
I explain when I mean!
Day uses Wall of Math! Link!
Dariush thinks Pup is communicating scum! Dariush questions math!
Day defends math!
Day double-posts! Day isn't done doing math!
I questions Dariush's attack on pup!
Sheep would Sabotage Day 1! Sheep thinks Day has bad data!
Tiruin questions my reads! Tiruin thinks Day has good math! Tiruin asks Sheep why sabotage D1!
I explain reads!
I double-post! In color! I post emotional reads! Link!
Tiruin answers in color! Tiruin explains vote pattern! Lurkertracker is broken! Tiruin is annoyed at Remuthra! Tiruin isn't sure if NQT is scum! Tiruin questions my defense of Remuthra!
Day is accounting for bad data! Day wants explanations of why from sheep! Day wants more people to answer his survey!
Zombie urist fixed Lurkertracker!
I explain why I am suspicious of Tiruin! I defend Remuthra!
Pup thinks people are silly! Pup is sure NQT was communicating scum! Pup thinks Dariush is scum! (associative tells from NQT) Pup asks NQT who he thinks the scumteam is! Pup delayed calling out communicating scum because he was low on time! Pup defends himself from Dariush! Pup upvoted his team because he made it!
I ask pup why snark! I question why Pup made his team that way!
Sheep thinks Toons are in the revolution! Sheep doesn't have much against Dariush! Sheep thinks Tiruin is scum! Sheep thinks Day has bad data! Sheep is waiting before choosing his team!
Tiruin wants sheep to be more active! Tiruin thinks Sheep is cute! Tiruin defends against sheep!
Nerjin thinks Sheep is crazy! Nerjin thinks Sheep is repeatedly overblowing small evidence! Nerjin would sabotage Day 1! Nerjin lets Day wait to post wall of reads! Nerjin doesn't think NQT was communicating! Nerjin thinks Pup's Either/Or logic is weak! Nerjin messed up quote tags so quoted comments link to the wrong person and/or post! Nerjin's post is really long! Nerjin thinks Sheep's reason for suspecting Dariush is weak! Nerjin doesn't like how Pup was slow to explain his suspicion that NQT is communicating scum! Nerjin doesn't think Pup is communicating scum! Link because huge
Pup snarked when not sure if he would post suspicion of NQT! Pup explains his team!
I call Pup a liar with a link!
Pup defends his accusation of NQT!
Pup double-posts! Pup explains the lie! Pup enjoys snark!
Sheep clarifies earlier posts!
Nerjin pokes Sheep's threory!
Sheep thinks his theory is a stretch!
Nerjin thinks Sheep's theory is to weak to matter!
NQT says he was pointing out an advantage instead of undermining it! NQT would sabotage D1!
Sheep doesn't understand Nerjin! Sheep will post his choices soon!
I dont like NQT's answers!
Nerjin explains! Nerjin asks sheep for team plans!
Sheep explains! Sheep proposes team without locking! (Sheep, Pup, Day, Nerjin orTiruin or Dariush)
Nerjin asks why!
Pup is angry! Pup pokes NQT for communicating!
NQT explains communcation! NQT thinks Pup is a spy!
Sheep picked team based on process of elimination!
Nerjin thinks most of Sheep's reasons are decent! Nerjin thinks Sheep's reason for suspecting Tiruin is dumb! Nerjin thinks Sheep needs to post a reason to suspect Dariush!
Tiruin uses Lynch Case on sheep! it's not very effective... (reasons: sheep consistantly uses really weak reasoning)
Tiruin double-posts! Tiruin asks why @ everything!
Pup is angry at NQT! Pup thinks NQT is OMGUSing! Pup uses YELL!
Tiruin is tired of waiting! Tiruin asks why sheep is waiting!
I am ok with most of sheep's reasoning! I think Sheep is overblowing his case on Tiruin! I complain about Sheep and Nerjin making lots of theories that assume I'm scum without questions! I ask Tiruin for a bigger case!
Pup asks why I don't trust Tiruin!
I don't like her vote pattern or emotional read! I don't like Sheep's reason!
Day points out how NQT contraditected himself! Day points out NQT thinks different!
I ask why NQT thinking different matters!
Tiruin is confused why I don't trust her! Tiruin will post lynch case on sheep later! Tiruin comments on Day's attack of NQT! Tiruin asks NQT to expound!
I explain why I dislike Tiruin's vote pattern!
Sheep answers questions! Sheep thinks Tiruin's question about the number of spies is crazy! Sheep still dislikes Dariush's D1 actions! Sheep explains reasons for his proposed teampicks! Sheep locks team!
(so... many... giant... posts... I've been at this for hours sigh)

Spoiler: Day 4 post-team-lock (click to show/hide)

Tiruin is frustrated with Sheep! (sheep has been making a lot of communication errors in his posts, they're needlessly confusing by far) Tiruin wants sheep to explains lots of stuff!
Tiruin double-posts! Tiruin asks sheep why Nerjin!
I am unsure! I propose scumteams! I ask mechanics question! I am leaning towards an upvote!
Tiruin answers mechanics! Tiruin notices my uncertainity! Tiruin asks why she is on scumteams!
I am still unsure of mechanics! I quote where I say I am unsure! I explain why I am listing scumteams! I accuse Dariush of lurking! (sheep has been doing this too for a while) I ask Tiruin to tell me a story!
Tiruin asks me why my scumteam-picks are who they are! Tiruin tells me an awesome story! Link! Tiruin asks me why I keep calling myself a Rebel! Tiruin asks if I'm sure she's a spy!
Dariush thinks Pup is a spy! Dariush thinks NQT is a stupid rebel! Dariush's top three scumpicks are Pup, Sheep, and Me! Dariush would sabotage D1! Dariush refuses to answer my question!
Day is going to Down-vote team! Day explains why thinking different is scummy! Day thinks NQT is scum because he is using logic weakly! Day thinks the first group had two spies!
I thank Tiruin for the story! I ask her to explain her vote pattern! I am not sure Tiruin is a spy! I am automatically calling myself a Rebel without thinking! I am annoyed at Dariush! I ask him to answer my question! I ask Day why he doesn't like Pup!
Sheep clarifies! Sheep refuses to justify putting himself on the team! Sheep thinks Pup is town! Sheep thinks Day is null! Sheep thinks I am scum because Remuthra! Sheep asks for Nerjin's reads! Sheep thinks Tiruin is either full-town or full-scum based on asking how many scum there are!
Pup is mad at Dariush! Pup think Dariush should be questioning NQT! Pup thinks Dariush is giving NQT way too much leeway! Pup wants Dariush to answer my question! Pup ended his post with "Also," and nothing following it!
Pup double-posts! Pup defends against Dariush! Pup is still very angry! Pup asks Day why Day thinks NQT is scum!
Birdy is silly!
NQT answers Day's explanation of thinking different! (and nothing else)
Pup  is mad at NQT! Pup asks why NQT isn't responding!
Tiruin accuses Sheep of dancing around the subject! Tiruin doesn't like Sheep's failure to give reasons to be on the team! Tiruin doesn't like Sheep's failure to get a read on me! Tiruin asks Sheep why Remuthra is scum! Tiruin doesn't like Sheep's failure to post reasons! Tiruin explains her shift in patterns! Link!
Tiruin asks for a tentative replacement!
I thank Tiruin! I am backchecking! I well-wish Tiruin!
Nerjin is Downvoting! Nerjin thinks sheep is scum!
Nerjin double-posts! Nerjin is changing his mind about NQT! Nerjin uses Head-Pat on Lenglon! (yay!) Nerjin asks me for cases on him and Dariush! Nerjin thinks Pup's reason for upvoting his team is scummy. (based on what he quoted, it seems like he missed an entire line of conversation, and I don't think this gets pursued) Nerjin give day even more time to get reads! Nerjin asks Day how he got numbers!
I explain why Nerjin/Dariush! I am still backchecking!
Nerjin asks why I think Pup is town! Nerjin asks why I think Dariush is the scummier of the two of them! Nerjin uses Head-Pat on Lenglon! (yay again!)
Pup didn't NQT was a spy back when making his team! Pup noticed NQT communicating when it happened but didn't press him on it! Pup became more and more sure NQT communicating was scummy over time!
I explain why I think Pup is town! I explain why I think Dariush is scum! I explain why Dariush not answering my question is scummy! I ask Tiruin what she thinks of Nerjin!
Nerjin calls me the wrong name! Nerjin uses Bad Logic! Nerjin thinks I need more evidence! Nerjin calls for the scumteam to assemble!
I am annoyed! I ask Nerjin to stop calling me the wrong name and using bad logic! I explain I am not sure of anyone but NQT!
I double-post! I correct my logic!
Nerjin is incredibly offended! Nerjin thinks my logic is fallible!
Day thinks he's been posting tons explaining why NQT is scum! Day thinks Pup is town because Meta! Day is unsure! Day thinks Nerjin or Pup is scum! Day explains numbers!
I apologize to Nerjin! I think we're off-topic! I talk about logic! I question Day's statistics! I ask Nerjin why Pup is scum!
Day justifies his numbers! Day thinks Dariush is solid Town! Day thinks I am scum! Day is done focusing on numbers! Day is tired!
I ask Day why Dariush is solid town!
Pup asks Day if Day thinks NQT tried to communicate!
Pup Double-Posts! Pup will be gone Thursday and Friday!
Pup TTTTTTRiple-posts! Pup thinks NQT is lurking scum! Pup downvotes team! Pup will explain Monday!
I use Giant Lynch Case on NQT! Link! I use Lynch case on Dariush! I still think Tiruin is scum! I point out wall of unanswered questions! I ask Sheep why Tiruin is scum! I ask Pup to explain downvote!
Nerjin thinks Pup is town! Nerjin thinks NQT is scum! Nerjin implies that my Giant Lynch Case on NQT is what convinced him! :3
Dariush still doesn't answer my question! Dariush thinks people lie! Dariush uses Hate on Pup! Dariush still thinks Pup is scum!
I am disgusted with Dariush! I ask Dariush to answer the question!
Sheep thinks Tiruin faked not knowing stuff scum would know to look town! Sheep thinks Tiruin should have known that stuff anyway! Sheep has trouble providing evidence that he is town! Sheep hasn't been reading my posts! ( awwww) Sheep is sure Remuthra is scum! Sheep lists why he trusts Nerjin more than Tiruin! Sheep isn't sure Tiruin is scum! Sheep doesn't like Dariush's answers about lies! Sheep asks if faulty logic is a scumtell!
Zombie Urist fixed part of his lurkertracker! Zombie Urist thinks there are deeper problems with it that aren't found or fixed yet! Zombie Urist wants people to post stuff about it in the LurkerTracker thread instead of Game threads!
Tiruin thought Nerjin was flaily, but mostly just because he's tired from RL! Tiruin explains why she asks mechanics questions! Tiruin explains why giving evidence of one's own townieness is something Sheep should be able to do! Tiruin explains why she asks a lot of why questions! Tiruin thinks Sheep is scum!
Day end

Spoiler: Day Results (click to show/hide)

TheWetSheep's team:
TheWetSheep
Griffinpup
Griffionday
Nerjin

Accept:
Lenglon
TheWetSheep

Reject:
Dariush
Griffionday
Nerjin
NQT
Tiruin

Didn't vote - Reject:
Griffinpup

Mission was not approved!

This day was crazy-long. I mean, CRAZY-long. this one day took longer than all three previous ones. It was pretty reasonable up until I showed up, and then EVERYONE starts posting nothing but wall after wall after wall of text. geez.

Key points that struck me:
Sheep was on the defensive almost all day, and needs to work on his communication. There were a lot of unecessarilly vague references in what he was saying, and he needs to learn when something becomes irrelevant. He spent way, waaaaay too long defending the whole "Remuthra wanted Dariush on the team instead of himself, which makes Dariush scum" thing. I still don't see what is so scummy about him though. I saw more noob-tells than scum-tells

Dariush was acting really scummy all day, he was lurking (multi-day lurking so it wasn't timezones), nitpicking answers. and Dariush: you STILL have not told me how GriffPup should have called out NQT on being communicating scum without pointing out where and what NQT said!

Nerjin acted pretty townie. he was clearly questioning people on what and why  for the longest time, still... one sec, I need to go re-check my notes, I thought...
Nevermind, yeah, he acted pretty townie all day.

Griffday: you never did post your wall of reads Nerjin asked for when you replaced in. Do you mind doing that?

NQT cemented himself as scum this day. not only did he get caught, but he then totally failed to defend himself effectively. toss in what turned up when he was focused upon by the entire group (all the little things), and... yeah. he's scum.

Tiruin seemed quite town as well, similar to Nerjin, she was quite active and trying to scumhunt the entire time. She didn't leave questions hanging around, and the questions she did ask were quite effective.

Sheep, when you don't know an acronym, google it. the very first result is the one you want in this case.

NQT: you realize I'm not reading your posts anymore, right?

[TheWetSheep]

Although Lenglon is seeming more like town now, and she's probably going to be on it no matter what.

Realized I should give reasons for this. She just is reacting to this situation in a way I'd expect a rebel to react. If I was a spy in that position I would play it safe and try to get into the town's good books, but Lenglon is throwing caution to the wind.

Another thing I noticed is a possible reason for Remuthra's leaving the game. He was not invested in the game at all, shown by these posts. It looks to me like he just didn't care a lot about the game, and maybe this was his way out.

[Lenglon]

-discussion of if i'm a rebel or a spy-

there really isn't much point to discussing if I'm a rebel or a spy until the day ends. I'd really prefer it if you used your energy on something productive. please?

[Nerjin]

[[Buddy buddy buddy]]

Throwing caution to the wind is a town play? Stating that voting for a team by everyone on the 'last day'? No. That's not how a townie acts. ESPECIALLY not the power-madness she's gotten.


If you really ARE town, Lenglon, you've got to see how blatantly he's buddying you right now. Every "newb-tell" you've stated seems like a scum-tell to me. Specifically how he tunneled Dariush on something that made no frieken sense.

Take him off the team.

I'm assured you're scum Lenglon. But I have no other choice than to trust you. I REALLY hope for town's sake that I'm wrong about you.

[Lenglon]

I...
ok, I'll trust your judgement on this Tiruin, Nerjin.


Lenglon
Tiruin
GriffPup
Nerjin


Since I posted the Day 4 recap, my day has been a waking nightmare IRL. I can't get a read on anyone right now.

Dariush, Sheep, Day, do you think I'm messing up here? if so, how?

[Nerjin]

I will accept that team.Barely. You are a MAJOR no to me but... At least if it fails I'll know who did it.

[Griffionday]

No to Griffpup, I'd say replace with Daruish.  If you still don't want to, I'd up vote it to give us a fighting chance.

[Lenglon]

No to Griffpup, I'd say replace with Daruish.  If you still don't want to, I'd up vote it to give us a fighting chance.

that's fair but I don't understand why you dislike Pup more than Nerjin. what makes him different? Why do you prefer Dariush instead?

[Lenglon]

by the way Day, you realize that what you're saying is that you think the scumteam is NQT, Sheep, and Pup. right?