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[Nerjin]

Nerjin:

TheWetSheep

Tiruin:

I'm definitely not putting Remuthra on the team. Why do you think I would?

You never said a definitive on that.

2. Why would it implicate Dariush?

Because Remuthra tried to get Dariush onto the team instead of him.

Here we go again with the total evasion. Let's just give the idea without why it would implicate the person, shall we?

Where did he explicitly do this?

I already said why it would implicate Dariush. If Remuthra was a spy and he was trying to get Dariush onto the team instead of him, and there weren't spies on the team already, then it looks like Remuthra was trying to get a more experienced scum onto the team.

What? Are you… Are you serious? Why would he be trying to get another spy onto the team with him? That’s a really HARD stretch you’re going to to try to implicate Dariush. The evidence isn’t doing it; YOU are.

What? Who said with him? I said instead of him.

My apologies. I meant to ask: "Why would he want another spy on the team instead of him?" Because it seems to me that you're REALLY stretching it. Remuthra wanting Dariush on it instead... Doesn't implicate Dariush at all.

[TheWetSheep]

I agree it's a bit of a stretch, but I've already said why: Remuthra said that he didn't have the Mafia experience to get out of the suspicion placed on him by the failure of the mission. He may have been trying to get a Mafia member with more experience on the team instead of him.

At the time it looked like the most likely reason, because there didn't seem to be any communication between scum, so it looked like there was only one spy on the mission. Why else would Remuthra try to get off the mission if there were no other scum on it?

[Nerjin]

I agree it's a bit of a stretch, but I've already said why: Remuthra said that he didn't have the Mafia experience to get out of the suspicion placed on him by the failure of the mission. He may have been trying to get a Mafia member with more experience on the team instead of him.

At the time it looked like the most likely reason, because there didn't seem to be any communication between scum, so it looked like there was only one spy on the mission. Why else would Remuthra try to get off the mission if there were no other scum on it?

A just as likely explanation is that Remuthra was trying to implicate Dariush. Either one is equally likely. Maybe Griff and/or NQT is/are scum and Remuthra was trying to pop himself off the mission to avoid a double sabotage while implicating another player. There are so many different possibilities that your idea that Dariush is scum based soley on Remuthra's actions is pretty unlikely.

[notquitethere]

Lenglon

NQT: why did you vote up a team containing GriffPup and yourself when GriffPup was on the team that was sabotaged?

The possibility of Griffpup being a spy was outweighed by my certainty that I'm not a spy. Did I get the probabilities wrong here?

Tiruin and Lenglon

NQT: Do you have an explanation for the quote GriffPup pointed out?

However, NQT. Why place that statement in your post? What was your intention behind it, and supposing you were a rebel, what use would it have served to everyone--those who read.

In the quoted portion I was rather making the opposite point to that which Griffpup claims: spies don't have a way to communicate with each other. I was just pointing out the advantage the spies in the last game have. They don't have that advantage and we can consequently expect more accidental double or triple voting this game. At least, that was my theory.

Griffionday

NQT:  Please, in a sentence or two, let me know if you believe that you would lie low on the first mission if you were scum.  (Dariush, I'm pretty sure I know your answer already, but humor me please)

It depends-- if I were a spy and there were one or two other spies on the team I dare say I'd be tempted to lie low. In general though I would tend to sabotage. That got the spy team in the last game off to an excellent start (especially when the other rebels idiotically voted in Leafsnail for a second time).

Mod
Are we waiting on requests still before a team is put forward?

[TheWetSheep]

Nerjin: Implicate him... how? You mean there was already a spy on the mission, and Remuthra was trying to implicate Dariush when that spy sabotaged? That doesn't make sense without communication, because there ended up being only one sabotage. And Dariush is saying that that's not where the communication happened.

NQT: No, we have a full roster now. Sorry I'm taking so long to put out a team. There's still some stuff I want to hear before I make my choice, though.

Everyone: Are you tired of waiting? Should I make my choice now, or wait until I get a bit more?

[Lenglon]

Lenglon

NQT: why did you vote up a team containing GriffPup and yourself when GriffPup was on the team that was sabotaged?

The possibility of Griffpup being a spy was outweighed by my certainty that I'm not a spy. Did I get the probabilities wrong here?

NQT: please either re-answer the question or explain what you meant. only one spy is needed for a team to become invalid, the possibility of one of a team's members being a spy cannot be outweighed by the odds of another member of that team not being a spy. the answer you gave me is utter nonsense.

Tiruin and Lenglon

NQT: Do you have an explanation for the quote GriffPup pointed out?

However, NQT. Why place that statement in your post? What was your intention behind it, and supposing you were a rebel, what use would it have served to everyone--those who read.

In the quoted portion I was rather making the opposite point to that which Griffpup claims: spies don't have a way to communicate with each other. I was just pointing out the advantage the spies in the last game have. They don't have that advantage and we can consequently expect more accidental double or triple voting this game. At least, that was my theory.

NQT: why did that need to be said at all? what was the benefit?

[Nerjin]

Nerjin: Implicate him... how? You mean there was already a spy on the mission, and Remuthra was trying to implicate Dariush when that spy sabotaged? That doesn't make sense without communication, because there ended up being only one sabotage. And Dariush is saying that that's not where the communication happened.

It can make plenty of sense without communication. Remuthra probably figured "Oh hey! This'll implicate a towns-person! LET'S GO FOR IT!" or some such. It makes as much sense as what you're saying at any rate.

I'd also say you at least tell us who you're thinking so far.

[TheWetSheep]

What I mean is that it doesn't make sense if there was one scum on the team already(and the scum didn't communicate), since Remuthra ended up being on the team and there was only one sabotage.

So far I'm thinking: Myself, Griffinpup, Griffionday and one of you, Tiruin, and Dariush. I'm not sure who yet. Probably not Dariush.

[Nerjin]

Please explain why. I'm curious about your logic.

[birdy51]

Mod
Are we waiting on requests still before a team is put forward?

No. All replacement requests have been filled. The deadline for TheWetSheep's team is tomorrow at 10PM EST, although he may initiate a vote at any time.

[griffinpup]

NQT:
Also, why would you SPECIFICALLY POINT OUT A STRATEGY FOR HOW SCUM SHOULD ACT WHEN THEY DOUBLE UP ON TEAMS?

[notquitethere]

Hmm... I can see why on reflection what I said could be seen in that light. Some of us played in the last game and I was just meaning to make conversation/speculation about the advantages we have here over last time. I was saying how unlike last time, scum don't have that strategy open to them. They're in permanent doubt over whether their teammates will use the same strategy as them, and we can use that to our advantage. The fact that you're making such a big deal out of how this is a viable strategy make me think you might be a spy using the furor to indicate a strategy to your spy-mates.

[TheWetSheep]

Nerjin:
Process of elimination, basically. I'm definitely not sending NQT anymore, or Remuthra/Lenglon. Griffinpup seems pretty town now; he has good reasons for doing what he does. Tiruin seemed town until that slip I pointed out, which I see as a pretty large point against her, otherwise she'd definitely be on. Griffionday/Shinigami I haven't seen much of, but those calculations and conclusions seem pretty genuine. And Dariush would probably be my last pick of the three, but we'll see what happens.

NQT's explanations don't seem too satisfactory, but I can't really think of anything that would be.

[Nerjin]

Process of elimination, basically. I'm definitely not sending NQT anymore, or Remuthra/Lenglon.

I can't blame you there. I still don't think what NQT did was likely scum attempting to talk but as you seem convinced and I can see why you'd think that I don't blame ya.

Griffinpup seems pretty town now; he has good reasons for doing what he does.

Yeah he does seem decently town. I can dig that choice.

Tiruin seemed town until that slip I pointed out, which I see as a pretty large point against her, otherwise she'd definitely be on.

I'm going to smack you if you're talking about her forgetting how many spies there were. I mean it. I will look for you, find you, and smack you, then leave your house. That's not trying to appear too town y'know. That's forgetting how many people there are. If you condemn someone for something like that then I fear for the rest of us.

Griffionday/Shinigami I haven't seen much of, but those calculations and conclusions seem pretty genuine.

I'd say null on that one. While the numbers do seem alright I don't really think that proves anything one way or the other.

And Dariush would probably be my last pick of the three, but we'll see what happens.

I'm sorry I appear to have mis-spoke. Please say why you don't trust him. You mentioned him as a possibility [however remote] of being on your team so you NEED TO EXPLAIN! Sorry if I seem a bit rude about this point but you are the team LEADER. We need to see your thought process so that we can see if we can trust the team, not only because of who is on it, but who chose it.

You also mentioned me as a possible member. Why? What have I done to inspire confidence? What have I done to make your worried about sending me? Please explain your reads on the possible people you'd send.

[Tiruin]

PFP

Speaking in brevity.

Tiruin:

How isn't he? I don't see how he could've missed the cheesy fact that 3 people are misinforming, while the rest are searching to be informed. Or 4..forgot how many spies were there. Have to check on that note later.

What? The people that responded aren't going to tell him that they're misinforming. How would he know they gave him an untrue answer.

So… What’s your point? You’re obviously saying something about Tiruin but I can’t for the life of me figure it out. Are you saying she’s a spy because she brought up that YOU didn’t explain how GriffDay wasn’t taking into account that spies would try to mess with the poll. You seem awfully intent on implicating people with small evidence kiddo.

The bolded part is what I'm talking about when I say she's trying too hard to appear townie.

Obvious overstatement is obvious.

You address someone else prodding the notion and not my own? Then jump to the horrible PoV of 'too hard to appear townie'?

My sheepy sheep. That's quite an accusation for one who doesn't even talk to the accused. I don't see a logical rebel doing that.

Lenglon I'll get back to you.

Anyone else with questions, I'll get back to you.

Oh, TWS is scum, by the way. I'm nearly done with that re-read, but this is an /apparently sure/ case.

tl;dr
TWS's slip is total [CARP] in the way that he begins and ends addressing everyone else except the person prodding him about it--the very same person he's accusing.

His logic is fallible--'trying to get a more experienced member with more experience on the team instead of him' directly goes against what he said earlier, one point being that he didn't expound on the point and instead gave another, different point. From a total switch of 'O Remuthra may not be scum' to a definitive hypothetical statement.

Why else would Remuthra try to get off the mission if there were no other scum on it?

'Why else'?
> Conclusion and asking for other reasons.