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[Krevsin]

Well, if we leave US, anywhere on Balkans would be interesting

Fallout: Sarajevo.

That just sounds freaking cool. I could also check out how true to life the worldmap would be, due to my relative closeness to the city. 

[mainiac]

If it was shit no one would have bought it.

Since when have sales indicated quality?  Dancing with the Stars 14 is currently on tv, more seasons then Seinfeld or Friends.

The reason fallout 3 pissed people out is that it wasn't a spiritual successor to the fallout games.  It butchered the lore and made it into a different game.  I don't mind this game existing, not one whit.  What I mind is that because of this game, the Fallout lore has flaws in it of Star Wars dimensions.

It's great that people like different things.  Diversity just makes life more interesting.  And I actually enjoyed Fallout 3 on it's own merits.  But something that's meh-alright shouldn't come at the expense of removing the interesting and uniqueness from something that already existed.

Fallout for me was always nice specifically because it broke with the kind of crap in FO3.  The obvious route would have been to make the brother hood of steel obvious goodies or baddies so Fallout instead made them self serving recluses.  Then in FO3 they decide they want to be mall cops for a scrap of worthless wasteland.  Apocalypse games could easily be about nothing more then using the scraps of the past to kill each other.  But Fallout consciously avoided that, showing a world full of people trying to make a new civilization.  But in FO3 there are no farms and people are eating food that has sat in vending machines for 200 years.  The lack of attention to the lore is pathetic.

[Trapezohedron]

If it was shit no one would have bought it.

Since when have sales indicated quality?  Dancing with the Stars 14 is currently on tv, more seasons then Seinfeld or Friends.

The reason fallout 3 pissed people out is that it wasn't a spiritual successor to the fallout games.  It butchered the lore and made it into a different game.  I don't mind this game existing, not one whit.  What I mind is that because of this game, the Fallout lore has flaws in it of Star Wars dimensions.

It's great that people like different things.  Diversity just makes life more interesting.  And I actually enjoyed Fallout 3 on it's own merits.  But something that's meh-alright shouldn't come at the expense of removing the interesting and uniqueness from something that already existed.

Fallout for me was always nice specifically because it broke with the kind of crap in FO3.  The obvious route would have been to make the brother hood of steel obvious goodies or baddies so Fallout instead made them self serving recluses.  Then in FO3 they decide they want to be mall cops for a scrap of worthless wasteland.  Apocalypse games could easily be about nothing more then using the scraps of the past to kill each other.  But Fallout consciously avoided that, showing a world full of people trying to make a new civilization.  But in FO3 there are no farms and people are eating food that has sat in vending machines for 200 years.  The lack of attention to the lore is pathetic.

Which is why I find Fallout: NV a wonderful game, because it details how the world is coping with the results of the nuclear bombardment. It's been over a hundred years, yet the skies are green and the state of the area is desolate.

I find the Fallblivion system quite alright, but yeah, that game's weak point is the plot.

Bethsoft should avoid making the game into a white and black morals story, where you are either a hero or a villain. They should make it like NV where, ultimately, your loyalty lies only to yourself, to who and to what you believe in.

[Fniff]

I must agree that Fallout New Vegas was a good game, and I generally find the engines to be okay. It's just that Bethesda has a tendency to write main stories that only fit in within a very cliched "good and evil" system that works sometimes in a medieval fantasy setting, but doesn't fit with the general moral ambiguity of a post-apocalyptic world. No, the Enclave are not the good guys, but the Brotherhood aren't either. I did like how the Brotherhood actually split between the "Good guys" and the "Outcasts", the latter of which actually fitted the isolationist, techophilic philosophy the Brotherhood originally had, but they didn't really end up doing much at all.

[Tellemurius]

Well, if we leave US, anywhere on Balkans would be interesting

Fallout: Sarajevo.

That just sounds freaking cool. I could also check out how true to life the worldmap would be, due to my relative closeness to the city. 

STALKER has much taken care of anything outside of the US and for most part kept me alot more involved in than with F3. Course since the company has now been demolished i have no hopes for STALKER 2.

[Alkhemia]

A fallout set in china would be pretty sweet but yeah the commonwealth is the most likely area if it the east coast. 

[Darkmere]

I want more city ruins, bigger city ruins, more hostile city ruins.

STALKER

... Okay yeah. If FO4 actually had an open, active city that was closer to scale, accessibility, and atmosphere to Pripyat from STALKER... I'd buy it, no hesitation. Bullshit gameplay aside, Pripyat was one of the coolest game cities I've seen in a long while. The open path was so much better than Bethesda's series of zones broken by doors/subway tunnels that always served to confine you to a tiny corner of the sandbox (at least in DC).

[mcclay]

My issues with Fallout 3 were more about writing and world design than flaws in the engine or gameplay.

I actually liked the world design in FO3. Except the overreliance on subway tunnels et cetera. But the rest was pretty solid in my book.

The big, impressive, meant-to-make-an-impression areas are... well those things I just said. But I can't endorse any game that would expect me to take Arefu and Little Lamplight seriously as "towns". Additionally:

Spoiler: off-topic rant (click to show/hide)

Where does all the food come from? Megaton, Tenpenny Tower, Canterbury, Arefu not a single farm. Rivet City supposedly had hydroponics but I sure didn't see it. Why was the Republic of Dave closed behind a fence, but Canterbury Commons, a "bustling trade hub," guarded by... an early- 20's girl and one old merc, with not even a fence in sight? The lookout for Underworld just loafs around in plain view when it's directly stated that Brotherhood has been known to shoot ghouls on sight. How do Lamplight/Big Town function? Where do they keep finding new kids? Let alone how anyone there is pre-pubescent and yet competent at repair or medicine. Those disciplines take YEARS to master, and by that time anyone remotely capable would be kicked out. Speaking of Tenpenny... where did he get "wealth" and what good does it do him?

Tenpenny is apparently someone rich from Overseas, probably Britian. FYI

Edit: Fallout wiki article here: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Allistair_Tenpenny

[Fniff]

Or he could just have a British accent inherited from his parents... That seems more likely to be me then someone being able to transport people across the Atlantic after a nuclear apocalypse with no functioning ships and absolutely no reason to go to America. I think he is less wealthy and more like he inherited the tower. I imagine he makes a pretty penny from the guests, so he can knock down towns if they spoil their view and hire mercs to protect the place.

[mcclay]

Fniff, did you even read the atricle...

[Fniff]

Yeah, I did. I didn't notice the last note.

It still doesn't really that much sense... If the world's that bad that America's a better alternative, how come they can make boats that can cross the Atlantic, which is something post-nuke America couldn't even accomplish? It'd be much simpler and make much more sense if the guy had an English accent. But, it's their game, I guess.

[Darkmere]

Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world. We like to leave a lot to the players' imaginations, and somebody like Tenpenny serves as a catalyst for those thoughts.

See, thinking about it just leads to what's been said. They're well off enough to do transatlantic trips yet so terrible that scrabbling wasters pushing piles of dust around is a more desirable place? I'd buy it more if there were lines about an oppressive government and frontier spirit or something, but there weren't. Also, House was a much better Hughes expy.

OTOH, Hanlon's speech about the NCR "chasing ghosts" in Baja is almost a throwaway line in one quest sequence in NV, but you get a more complete sense that the world exists outside the Mojave and the characters have a vested interest in what goes beyond the impending war. To me, that line did what Tenpenny was supposed to do.

[mcclay]

This article also talks about the UK. Apparently Mister Lockheart is also an Englishman.

[Fniff]

* Scotch is a type of whisky that originates from Scotland.
* The Declaration of Independence, which declared America's independence from Great Britain, and the Magna Carta, an important document written in England in medieval times (1215), can be found in the National Archives in Fallout 3.

I don't really think this article says much about actual England. It just says what characters are from it, and what weapons are British in the games. The most direct one is J.E Sawyer discussing how he'd like to make a game set during the Resource Wars that'd involve the British Armed Forces, but I know the game idea (Which sounds interesting and would be the best way of doing a Fallout set out of America) takes place in Italy, not England, so there's nothing there that says anything about what hapepned to England after the resource wars.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

We all know that Irish Whiskey is the superior drink and that scotch and bourbon can burn in nuclear fire.