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[CognitiveDissonance]

Could you find and convert a Joyous Wilds for us?  As long as there's sand I'll be happy.

*checks his clock*

Why yes, it IS Giant Kea Woman o'clock

[falafelsandwich]

*checks his clock*

Why yes, it IS Giant Kea Woman o'clock

And no stone for cage trap mechanisms, what Fun!

[Halfling]

You got it. I'll have it up in a few hours tops - I'll gen a good world, look for a joyous wilds site, embark and delete stone, then let you take it from there.

[pisskop]

this promises to be fun.

[Halfling]

Spoiler: "Outdated, bugged embark" (click to show/hide)

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7718

The Domain of Dragons is a savage and beautiful archipelago of islands in the sparkling waters of the Ocean of Glimmering. It is named for the many dragons and other wild beasts that make their home in the untamed wilds there.



The year is 301. It is the Age of Myth. Evil is slowly creeping upon the Domain of Dragons from the southern reaches of the Willful Land. Still, dwarves have prospered on this mountainous island; there are a total of six surviving dwarf civilizations among the humans, elves and goblins. You are dwarves of the Indigo Syrup. You who call yourselves the Umbral Unseen Quake have wandered long in the wilds and have come to this place, where the joyous wilds of the Plain of Heavens meet the untamed mountains of the Dangerous Finger. You have settled here at the foot of the mountain, by the brook of... "Sptbls th Ambgty of F". The humans who guided you here had very unclear articulation. Regardless, soon you will strike the earth and found the greatest mountainhome of them all: Cuggánnil, "Sandhammer"!



Little does your brave party know what trials they will face, for this is no mountain at all. There is no stone in the ground save veins of metallic ores, and this intersection of mountain, desert and river is home to fierce creatures...

You embarked with 2 copper picks, one copper battle axe, one iron anvil, some booze to tide you by, seeds of underground plants, meat supplies... Some blessed fool, perhaps by divine grace, has also sent with you ten rocks of marble of the home-mountain, as if knowing this may be all the flux you will ever have.



Two of you are proficient miners. One is an axedwarf and teacher, to train a future military. One is a carpenter-mason. One is a brewer-cook. One is a grower and herbalist. The last, a doctor and surgeon. Now it is time to delve secure lodgings, ere the yetis get hungry (yes, really).



Good luck~

It has upturned beasts in true succession fort fashion, otherwise a completely vanilla fortress except for the no stone part. For hardcore mode, try not using magma workshops. URIST, CHOP DOWN ALL THE TREES!

I originally had a spot with 4 scorching joyous wilds biomes, boosted giant keas and no useful ore picked for you, but it seemed extremely resistant to turning to sand and eventually I managed to wreck the save by saving with the reveal command on, then killing the process. This is a simple joyous grassland and the foot of a mountain. It was originally full of flux and kind of wonderful but now it is all sand all the way down. Kind of friendly. I'm not sure if it's a bug, but there is a HUGE amount of *** in the soil and *** stops very soon after level *** and this was so even before I turned it all to sand. Whoops, can't spoil all that yet. Sorry.

If you disagree with my embark choices, it's probably easiest to reclaim. Alternatively I can "process" any save, later.

[falafelsandwich]

Looks fun!  I'll get the players all rounded up tomorrow.

[Halfling]

Spoiler: "Outdated modding info part 4 (click to show/hide)

Yeah except there's another bug I discovered when playing my own fortress on the save. Nice giant thrips congas by the way. Oh Dwarf Fortress you're just crazy.

If the stone layer is changed using this bug/feature as I did, the walls change as expected into sand, but the floor is still stone. The walls mine fast and produce no stone, but the floor turns into stone when mined. You can in no way use this to mine stone, as it does not even have the IS_STONE tag, but it looks really weird. It will also not grow underground flora (but the top layers, that were never stone, will). This completely blindsided me; I expected that when a wall reads it has changed into something the floor below will also have turned into that thing, but apparently floors behave differently from walls...

To fix the appearance, overwrite this into data > save > region > raw > objects: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7719
This will turn the marble and any stone traders bring into sand, but it will also turn the floor into sand again. You can also then engrave the resulting sand. Like a zen garden, I suppose. The walls however can never be engraved.

I can't really offer a better fix at this time. Sorry. The same problem would be there with vaporstone though, and some more.

[Njals]

Is it possible to remove diacritics from already generated save? It hurts readability on most graphic tilesets. I know that editing lang files works if you do it before embark, but what about after?

[Talanic]

If you save with reveal on, just reload the game, place the cursor by your dwarves and use the revflood command.  It'll hide anything your dwarves can't path to.

This can leave parts of the caverns visible but not officially discovered, but I think that only happens if you have a volcano. 

[laularukyrumo]

Excellent. :> So where am I on the turn list? If this is finally going, you should update the OP with a turnlist. Just saying. Would be wise.

[falafelsandwich]

Yes will get it all going tomorrow

[Halfling]

Thanks Talanic. Well holy mackerel. I was thinking about it a bit more, and I actually figured out how to fix EVERYTHING. The underground floors are now made out of soil too and grow flora. falafelsandwich, mind changing the starting save once more?

Here's what I figured out:

Spoiler: Method (click to show/hide)

0. Delete all non-layer stones or reassign them to hell
1. Generate a world where every layer stone is SOIL instead
2. Manually dfhack these stone-soil types into types of actual soil
This should and seems to allow dfhack to change the floor as well. It says so in a very roundabout way in the documentation. Once I figured that out...

3. Manually change every stone that was changed into SOIL into IS_STONE, finalizing the above change and making any stone you can obtain from traders useable
4. Create a dump type of non-stone non-soil material for next step that is neither SOIL nor IS_STONE. Mine replaces pelagic clay and looks like yellow sand
5. There will be flashing boulders on the surface - use dfhack with the option force to change these into what you just created.

Congrats! There is now no usable stone on the map except in ore veins, yet everyone else has normal access to stone. The only way to tell it was modded and then hacked (other than everything) is the boulders made of soil (sand) on the surface and the fact that these can be engraved. Sandcastles, anyone?

So, fixed save and story coming up...

[Halfling]

The beginning.

File: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7721

The Domain of Dragons is a savage and beautiful island in the sparkling waters of the Sea of Bravery. It is named for the many dragons and other wild beasts that make their home in the untamed wilds there.

Spoiler: Embark! (click to show/hide)

The year is 262. It is the Age of Myth. Evil is slowly creeping upon the Domain of Dragons from the southern reaches of the Land of Bravery. Still, dwarves have prospered on this mountainous island: there are a total of four surviving dwarf civilizations among the humans, elves and goblins. You are dwarves of the Flaxen Fountains. You who call yourselves the Massive Lances have wandered long in the wilds. Following glittering flakes of gold flowing down the Spotted Waters, you have come to this place here at the foot of the Pure Horn mountain range, in a lovely valley where the river twists and turns as it flows between the mountains among the beautiful feather trees. The downy grass below your feet caresses your hardened soles. Soon you will strike the earth and found the greatest mountainhome of them all: Cuggánnil, "Sandhammer"!

Spoiler: Scenery (click to show/hide)

Little does your brave party know what trials they will face, for this is no mountain range at all. There is no stone in the ground save veins of metallic ores, and this intersection of mountain and shrubland is home to fierce creatures...

You embarked with 2 copper picks, one copper battle axe, one iron anvil, some booze to tide you by, seeds of underground plants, and various animals and meat supplies. Some blessed fool, perhaps by divine grace, has also sent with you ten rocks of marble of the home-mountain, as if knowing this may be all the flux you will ever have.

Two of you are proficient miners. One is an axedwarf and teacher, to train a future military. One is a carpenter-mason. One is a brewer-cook. One is a grower and herbalist. The last, a doctor and surgeon. Now it is time to delve secure lodgings, ere the dingo men get hungry.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Good luck~

In response to a PM request, I changed the language files to ascii only before uploading, despite how it looks in the above images.

[Njals]

That's cool. Thanks!

[Halfling]

Thanks. This was really a learning experience - I now know more about DF geology than I ever wanted to.

Spoiler: "Current modding information, part 2" (click to show/hide)

Playing another fort here, I found one more rather complicated bug. For unknown reasons there is a mysterious connection between various components of the earth at very different z-levels, at least in this embark. The floor of one of the topmost layers and some special map features are automatically made out of anything that boulders and pebbles are made out of, while the walls are made out of whatever is the deepest material in the earth (I'm as confused as you are ) which are apparently normally the same thing. This is a problem because the pebbles have to be something that is not soil; here it means that some soil has to yield a floor tile that is not soil and always will so long as there are non-bugged pebbles on the map. I'm guessing this represents some geological feature and isn't really designed to be compatible with there being no stone at all. I tried several approaches but you can't just remove this, just rewriting the materials actually causes the game to replace them with a different soil or stone as if to protect this arrangement, and dfhack's layer replacing feature can't override this either.

To resolve all this I'm creating a new material called "gravel" that pebbles are made out of. It's brownish-grey, dwarves don't like it, you can't do anything with it, but you can sculpt it if you want to (but this is useless because its material value is 0; a room of smoothed or engraved gravel is in your dwarf's mind worse than a room that's dug in sand). This will be the only non-ore thing on this map that can be engraved and won't grow something over time. Because of the magical nature of soil, just substituting this causes walls of gravel to be called "fire clay" instead - I'm fixing that in a very convoluted way detailed on the download page. To avoid messing all this up, if installing a graphics pack you'll have to avoid changing the inorganic_stone_soil raw file. If you do change it, materials may change around in a way that's easiest described as probably hilarious and possibly deadly. Just back it up and restore it after installation.

tl;dr: the save is now tested and works fine, but it turns out DF requires some things to be made out of non-soil to work as expected. To accommodate, there is now a new bugfixing material called "gravel" in places in the top few levels of the map and a few other tiles. It's a useless, worthless, infertile pseudo-soil. Dwarves will prefer even soil walls over smoothed gravel walls and it can't be used for anything. Digging it releases dust clouds; they are harmless. Try to ignore it. Don't change inorganic_stone_soil raw file anymore.