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[Loud Whispers]

Delicious trainwrecks inbound; PTW.

I'm sure they'll be gentle trainwrecks provided we don't start accusing eachother of being sympathisers with a particular ideology central to a particular world conflict in the middle of the 20th century. I think that was actually a 20-minute-ban reason I had from World of Warcraft many years ago.

I'm not sure if history is filled with many 'gentle' trainwrecks, given the nature of trainwrecks, so try not to wreck trains guys.

[GlyphGryph]

Around here we have gentle trainwrecks all the time.

They usually take the form of a low-speed... derail.

[LordSlowpoke]

mission accomplished.

[Owlbread]

Around here we have gentle trainwrecks all the time.

They usually take the form of a low-speed... derail.

You silver tongued devil.

[Loud Whispers]

Would SNP charging English students much more than their Scottish counterparts to study in Scotia be indicative of something ominous and foreboding?

[MonkeyHead]

Would SNP charging English students much more than their Scottish counterparts to study in Scotia be indicative of something ominous and foreboding?

No different to what happens in Wales at the moment, where Welsh students get a signifigant cost cut in attending a Welsh Uni when compared to people from outside of Wales (about 30% cheaper, IIRC). Hasnt really harmed things from my PoV.

[GlyphGryph]

Standard in the states as well.

Also, doesn't really seem relevant to this thread? We really need Kingfisher or Yannanth to show up and take the opposing point of view.

Unless someone else wants to step in to be virulently nationalistic and/or anti-diversity?

[Owlbread]

Would SNP charging English students much more than their Scottish counterparts to study in Scotia be indicative of something ominous and foreboding?

Not at all. What those articles don't make very clear is that all EU students can study in Scottish Universities without tuition fees, just not people from other British provinces. If Scotland became independent you could enjoy the same benefits. You can actually see the bias/agenda in the reporting when they focus mostly on English students and their difficulties with the Scottish system, not the Welsh or the Northern Irish.

[ibot66]

Answering the original question: Multiculturalism is fine, as long as it is not government mandated. Additionally, it is good for groups to assimilate into an area, as long as, again, it is not government mandated. The real question, I suppose, is what happens when a group of people refuses to assimilate.

[misko27]

This reminds me of a point my Mom made once. The Jews were welcomed in Serbia, and due to this, the population of People who called themselves Jewish was always small(Number of people with Jewish ancestry increased by a lot). In fact, we almost had none till Jews who had been in the rest of Europe (And, therefore, weren't assimilated) fled the Inquisitions to the Ottoman Empire. Then we had a relatively large population till WWII.


The Point being, Assimilation actually led to the decline of Jewish Numbers in Serbia, while increasing their numbers elsewhere. It stands to reason continued assimilation could eventually destroy the concept of race all together. (Or, to put it another way, the best way to destroy the Jews/Blacks/Latinos is to marry them and have their children).


Until then, I expect to continue seeing "WHITE PEOPLE TO BE MINORITY IN THE US BY 2000+X!" everywhere.


EDIT: Holy 5 new replies Bat-man!

[Loud Whispers]

Not at all. What those articles don't make very clear is that all EU students can study in Scottish Universities without tuition fees, just not people from other British provinces. If Scotland became independent you could enjoy the same benefits. You can actually see the bias/agenda in the reporting when they focus mostly on English students and their difficulties with the Scottish system, not the Welsh or the Northern Irish.

"Under EU rules, students coming to Scotland from other European countries have to be treated in the same way as Scottish students.

But Scotland's Education Secretary Mike Russell is seeking an end the rule which could be seen as a cheap option for Europeans who would have to pay for education at home.

Currently, nearly 16,000 EU students attend Scottish education establishments, costing the taxpayer £75m a year."

...

"Students in Northern Ireland who decide to go to another part of the UK which charges higher fees will have to pay them.

However, the government is expected to make a higher student loan available to students who decide to take on the more expensive courses outside Northern Ireland.

In Wales, the Welsh government said fees would rise to up to £9,000, as in England, but the government would meet the extra cost to Welsh students studying at any UK university."

So are nations allowed to discriminate against nationalities to ensure their citizens have the most support?

Until then, I expect to continue seeing "WHITE PEOPLE TO BE MINORITY IN THE US BY 2000+X!" everywhere.

But that's a reasonable projection, +X!
Just don't equate that to the "anti-racist = anti-white" people. They are very silly.

[Owlbread]

"Under EU rules, students coming to Scotland from other European countries have to be treated in the same way as Scottish students.

But Scotland's Education Secretary Mike Russell is seeking an end the rule which could be seen as a cheap option for Europeans who would have to pay for education at home.

Currently, nearly 16,000 EU students attend Scottish education establishments, costing the taxpayer £75m a year."

...

"Students in Northern Ireland who decide to go to another part of the UK which charges higher fees will have to pay them.

However, the government is expected to make a higher student loan available to students who decide to take on the more expensive courses outside Northern Ireland.

In Wales, the Welsh government said fees would rise to up to £9,000, as in England, but the government would meet the extra cost to Welsh students studying at any UK university."

So are nations allowed to discriminate against nationalities to ensure their citizens have the most support?

It's interesting, I wasn't aware he was going in that direction. I do like Mike Russell, he always reminds me of a badger. A badger man. Badger. He's also got a lot of connections to England in that he was born in Kent to a Scottish father and an English mother, speaks with a noticeable English accent and also identifies as an Anglo-Scot, if I recall correctly. What's the expression I'd use for a Welsh-Scot? Is that it there?

I suppose it did smack me as a bit odd that continental students would be able to study here without tuition fees and people from the rest of Britain couldn't, beyond the issues of cost. The difficulties arise when we start talking about temporary residents of your country like students or migrant workers and their rights in relation to the rights of permanent citizens. I think it is reasonable that a nation (defined in the civic way, not by ethnicity) should give greater priority to permanent residents than temporary ones.

[misko27]

Until then, I expect to continue seeing "WHITE PEOPLE TO BE MINORITY IN THE US BY 2000+X!" everywhere.

But that's a reasonable projection, +X!
Just don't equate that to the "anti-racist = anti-white" people. They are very silly.

Oh, Bloody Fucking Hell. Do you realize, We will never hear the end of it if that happens?!? EVER?!? Dear god...

[GlyphGryph]

So are nations allowed to discriminate against nationalities to ensure their citizens have the most support?

Within their own country? Well, for one, most places that do this could care less about your nationality - instead, it is based on residence. I'm assuming under the hood any proposed legislation would follow this standard approach.

And I think it's perfectly fair that residents benefit from local initiative and funding at the expense of non-residents. Education-wise, it's just smart policy - residents are far more likely to stay when they've finished and pay back into the system.

It honestly sounds like absolutely terrible legislation on the part of the EU, and I can understand the opposition to it. But I think the residence requirements would meet even that, if they went that way - "Anyone, with citizenship from any country, and take advantage of a free education by residing in this country for at least twelve years total prior to attendance at an institute of higher education."

There, now students from every EU country are treated the same.

[kaijyuu]

I'm just going to pop in and note that claiming that people from different cultures cannot get along is like claiming that people who like different bands can't get along.