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[k33n]

This is... so devastating my ability to enjoy this game now. I just cant get into any of my old forts or enjoy making a new one knowing that it gets so screwed up...

Yuck. I hope this gets fixed soon so I can play this game again 

[malimbar04]

The bug is annoying, but with a few simple changes, it's easily overcome.

This. One of my current forts is over 20 years now, over half of my population is trained military (about a hundred warriors), the fort is open all year round, And I have lost 1 dwarf per 200 enemies on average so far (1000+ dead goblins and ogres).

Then again, it's good that it got discovered now, closer to the end of the release cycle.

If you have that many warriors I would hope you're winning pretty handily. I do something similar on a miniature scale, as I've found that 2 dwarves that are legendary in all respects single-handedly win sieges without a sweat. However, young dwarves that are trained up to nearly the same skill die quite easily in the same situation.

[k33n]

*entitled rage about goats or something*

It's Toady's and Threetoe's hobby that they happen to let other people share. If you want a game, you can find plenty here:
http://www.ea.com/

It's actually Toady's self professed life work and his primary source of income. To suggest that people either bow down in submission to every fault in an excellent but buggy game or play EA is outrageous.

[Matoro]

Think positively: It's just DF adjusting it's difficulty! You know, all the classic games like Tetris and Pac-Man gets harder longer you play. So does DF, because dwarves will be even more ineffective if you play longer.

[k33n]

Think positively: It's just DF adjusting it's difficulty! You know, all the classic games like Tetris and Pac-Man gets harder longer you play. So does DF, because dwarves will be even more ineffective if you play longer.

Except it is at worst a game breaking glitch, and at best an immersion-destroying kitten-sized retard dwarf simulator.

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

Well its certainly not game breaking, since no one even noticed it for months.

[Witty]

It was noticed though. People have been complaining on how sucky war animals are and how the meat industry never paid off for years. We just now know (through random luck hacking) what the problem is.

I love Toady, but these sort of bugs shouldn't just be taken in stride. These are bad, immersion breaking and overall embarrassing. This is the size of a creature were talking about, not some obscure aspect of the game. 

[CognitiveDissonance]

It was noticed though. People have been complaining on how sucky war animals were for years, or how the meat industry never paid off. We just now know (through random luck hacking) what the problem is.

I love Toady, but these sort of bugs shouldn't just be taken in stride. These are bad, immersion breaking and overall embarrassing. This is the size of a creature were talking about, not some obscure aspect of the game.

Then contribute to such bugs by providing information, helping with the bug tracker and joining in the discussion. I understand that Dwarf Fortress is mostly an imagination-based game, and this can break immersion... but demanding bugs to be fixed doesn't usually work. Toady is pretty good at addressing the worst bugs though, as long as he is aware of them though. This bug is on #1 spot on the bugtracker, so I can definitely see it being addressed soon. Until then, nothing changes in how things are played. War Animals are weak, and so are blunt weapons. Just go on with that, as the size doesn't actually affect gameplay in any other way.

[XXSockXX]

If that bug already existed in 34.07, I have never noticed it in several decades old forts, with many fort-born dwarfs. It's really not game-breaking at all.

[Button]

If that bug already existed in 34.07, I have never noticed it in several decades old forts, with many fort-born dwarfs. It's really not game-breaking at all.

I'm 95% sure it did exist in 34.07, since that's when I first modded my giant keas [TRAINABLE_WAR] and found that they were laughably bad at it. Like, unable-to-seriously-wound-a-goblin-one-on-one-even-after-getting-the-drop-on-him bad.

At the time I assumed that this was a function of wild giant keas being able to strike from above, while tame giant keas were groundbound. (I was new to the game and didn't realize that the combat system doesn't work that way.)

[XXSockXX]

Well, I don't use war animals much beyond guard functions, but my military always seemed fine. Butchering results were probably compensated by means of overproduction.

[Raphite1]

The effect of this bug on butchering/herding has very little effect in-game. Overabundance of herd animals and food is the issue for all but the most new players. I regularly have to mass-slaughter, mass-magma-pit, or mass-cage herd animals to keep their population and products under control.

[Raphite1]

This is... so devastating my ability to enjoy this game now. I just cant get into any of my old forts or enjoy making a new one knowing that it gets so screwed up...

Yuck. I hope this gets fixed soon so I can play this game again 

Go into the raws and change the baby and child size to adult size. It's a bit annoying, but workarounds for bug and balance issues are hardly uncommon for DF.

[anzelm]

Is there a df-hack way to automagically dump maxblood and related data for all dwarves in a fort?

[reality.auditor]

There goes any motivation to play this version of DF.

And no, I can't arse to mod it. Why I should?
There are way too much people that claim there is no bugs at all in DF already thanks to this (doing workarounds instincively, not doing unkosher things etc). Pathetic.