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[Urist McDwarfFortress]

I wonder if Toady will be fixing this bug in the next bug fixing round. Although I never deal with in-bred dwarves because of the short nature of my forts, I can't stand the thought!

I doubt he's heard of it yet. It's only being discovered right now! So unless he's reading this thread today, he hasn't seen it.

[Raphite1]

Perhaps if we modded children to have the same size as full grown dwarves...

This should work. It'd be an easy semi-fix for dwarves, though adjusting every creature would be worthy of a standalone mod.

Is this the kind of raw edit that would require a re-gen, or would it work on an existing game?

Edit: Maybe edit the thread title, to help bring it to Toady/community attention? Like, "[BUG: NEOTENOUS DWARVES]".

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A possibly disheartening discovery which may make this a little harder for the DFHack team to fix:

Name	Status	Blood count	Description
Endok Channeleddweller	Native	550	Tall and very fat
Lolor Acewalls	Native	747	fat

This suggests that blood count is only an approximate indicator of size, and so scaling up dwarves' size based on their blood count isn't a true fix.

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

Edit: Maybe edit the thread title, to help bring it to Toady/community attention? Like, "[BUG: NEOTENOUS DWARVES]".

I'm not sure a title requiring a trip to a medical dictionary is necessarily the most useful way of getting attention.

[Raphite1]

Edit: Maybe edit the thread title, to help bring it to Toady/community attention? Like, "[BUG: NEOTENOUS DWARVES]".

I'm not sure a title requiring a trip to a medical dictionary is necessarily the most useful way of getting attention.

Haha. "Neotenous" is one of my favorite words, so I make to to use it in inappropriate circumstances as often as possible. My first thought was "DWARVES ARE GNOMES," but then everyone would assume it was a common raw duplication issue.

[Button]

Peter Pan Syndrome Disease?

The most worrisome thing to me is that it affects everything... my rocs included...

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

The most worrisome thing to me is that it affects everything... my rocs included...

Lol! Miniature Rocs! Aka. normal birds!

How much blood do they have?

I just found my biggest dwarf dwarf yet: 1093! That's right, he's about as big as a swan!

[VerdantSF]

Edit: Maybe edit the thread title, to help bring it to Toady/community attention?

Done .

[Button]

The most worrisome thing to me is that it affects everything... my rocs included...

Lol! Miniature Rocs! Aka. normal birds!

How much blood do they have?

My native-hatched, adult rocs are 121428 (gigantic male), 488999 (very muscular and just gigantic overall male), and 298970 (gigantic male). I don't have any hatchlings atm because of the fertilization bug.
The breeding pair are 1640000 (incredibly skinny yet gigantic male) and 1920000 (gigantic female).

For comparison, the merchants' horses range from 44000 to 57000. My smallest roc is only twice the size of a horse! 

[BoredVirulence]

I wonder if Toady will be fixing this bug in the next bug fixing round. Although I never deal with in-bred dwarves because of the short nature of my forts, I can't stand the thought!

I doubt he's heard of it yet. It's only being discovered right now! So unless he's reading this thread today, he hasn't seen it.

Well of course he hasn't heard it yet. The next bug fix cycle isn't happening anytime soon either.
My question is if he will fix it when he gets around to fixing bugs, as some major bugs get fixed, some don't, and this could easily straddle the line. After all, how long have we been living with this, and it (the bug) hadn't been observed caught at all until lately?

Fixed: Too ambiguous. (I knew that when writing, but I didn't give myself time to rewrite like I should have)

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After all, how long have we been living with this, and it hadn't been observed at all until lately?

Just because we hadn't nailed down the cause before now doesn't mean it wasn't a problem, or that it hadn't been observed.

This discovery explains a lot of problems I've had with breeding programs in the past. I had just assumed giant domesticated animals were significantly weaker than their wild counterparts to keep you from exploiting them; and that low butchering returns meant I hadn't waited long enough for my adult animals to mature past the adolescent stage.

Now I find out that tame giant keas aren't supposed to be easily overpowered by goblins?! Domestication is a major part of my gameplay, so this is a big deal for me.

[Hetairos]

Checking all the peasants:

Name	Status	Blood count	Description
Ilon Aquastockade	Immigrant	5940	Corpulent
Edem Roughnessjails	Immigrant	6180	Average in size
Avuz Anathel	Native	505	Corpulent
Etru Gembrush	Native	482	Strapped with massive amounts of muscle and lard
Solon Yellrim	Native	397	Average in size
Stukos Shinbronze	Native	457	Thin and scrawny
Zuglar Windlash	Native	311	Average in size
Fikod Inkmartyred	Native	443	Short and muscular
Cerlo Claspedtwisted	Native	382	Muscular
Morul Armorabbey	Native	722	Tall and skinny
Ast Chainedtraded	Immigrant	4440	Short and just incredibly fat
Logem Paddlesavant	Native	721	Short with well-defined muscles
Melbil Amazedmirror	Immigrant	5700	Corpulent

There is, however, a definitely fortressborn miner with blood count of 6060 and a woodcutter with 5940. I could likely find more normal-sized native dwarves, though the majority are indeed on the small side. Looks like things are getting complex.

Also, a random incredibly skinny kid is 811, a sample of five dingos (all gigantic) ranges from 379 to 1305, one horse is 60000 (presumably the single mare I bought from a caravan a few years ago), while other ones ( mostly 16000 - 22000) are slightly larger than foals (9000-11000); all are gigantic or enormous.

I wonder if this bug existed in previous versions of DF. It's pretty serious, and it has only been found now...

[VerdantSF]

My question is if he will fix it when he gets around to fixing bugs, as some major bugs get fixed, some don't, and this could easily straddle the line. After all, how long have we been living with this, and it (the bug) hadn't been observed caught at all until lately?

Fixed: Too ambiguous. (I knew that when writing, but I didn't give myself time to rewrite like I should have)

Hopefully the DFHack team can work their magic in the meantime .  Edem II needs his growth spurt!

[BoredVirulence]

Hopefully the DFHack team can work their magic in the meantime .  Edem II needs his growth spurt!

I think we will have to suffice for modding full-sized children for the time being.
Sure, fixing every animal in the world would be arduous, but just fix the ones you care about.

[Vgray]

Huh. No wonder my adult roosters only produced skulls. I figured I was just being impatient.