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[Urist McDwarfFortress]

Ok, I figured out how to check a unit's blood_max:

1. Use notepad (or whatever) to make a file in your DF\hack\scripts folder. (mine is called maxblood.lua)
2. Paste in this script:

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local this = dfhack.gui.getSelectedUnit()

print("Birth year: " .. this.relations.birth_year)
print("Blood: " .. this.body.blood_max)3. Select a dwarf.
4. Type in "maxblood" (or whatever you called your file) into DFHack.
5. !!SCIENCE!!

[VerdantSF]

Thanks, Urist McAwesome!

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

Now, how to find out whether a dwarf is a migrant or natural-born citizen...

The results so far have been pretty staggering. Of the dwarves who I can tell whether or not they are migrants, the smallest migrant has 4440 bloods. The largest natural-born dwarf so far has only 917!

The average for migrants seems to be around 5700. The average for natural-born dwarves is somewhere around 660!

NOTE: All of these dwarves were adults.

[CognitiveDissonance]

Now, how to find out whether a dwarf is a migrant or natural-born citizen...

The results so far have been pretty staggering. Of the dwarves who I can tell whether or not they are migrants, the smallest migrant has 4440 bloods. The largest natural-born dwarf so far has only 917!

The average for migrants seems to be around 5700. The average for natural-born dwarves is somewhere around 660!

I'm fairly certain it says so in their profile screen. It describes where they were born, and when.
If so, you should be able to easily extract that info ONCE you know what variable controls that.
Yeah... I have no idea how DFHack operates

[VerdantSF]

The average for migrants seems to be around 5700. The average for natural-born dwarves is somewhere around 660!

Wow, they're so tiny!  That puts their height (assuming average cubic volume) around half that of the migrants.

"Edem II seems to be having trouble with that hammer.  I think it's because he's so shor-"

"Silence!  Dwarf shall not remark on the height of Dwarf!"

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

I'm not using the Edem file, because I was trying to test if my fort is experiencing the same phenomena.

Now, how to find out whether a dwarf is a migrant or natural-born citizen...

I'm fairly certain it says so in their profile screen. It describes where they were born, and when.
If so, you should be able to easily extract that info ONCE you know what variable controls that.

The profile screen tells you when they were born and who their parents are, but not WHERE they were born. However, it does tell you if they are former members of any groups. So far, it looks like all migrants are former members of other groups, and all natural-born dwarves are not. But I'm not sure if that is a hard and fast rule. Ie. is it possible to get a migrant who is not a former member of any other groups?

Yeah... I have no idea how DFHack operates

Me either. I just copied a script about butchering, and removed all the parts except the bit I needed.

[CognitiveDissonance]

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Another way to do this is to separate by birth year, which should be an easy variable to extract. Just find everyone who was born after the fort was founded. I'm pretty sure dwarves do NOT get born off-stage once worldgen ends.

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

Another way to do this is to separate by birth year, which should be an easy variable to extract. Just find everyone who was born after the fort was founded. I'm pretty sure dwarves do NOT get born off-stage once worldgen ends.

Is that true? It seems like if that is the case, a long-lasting fortress could cause the civilization to go extinct. But I guess that is kinda what happened to Deathgate... although I figured that was just a case of them killing off the migrants faster than they could be replaced.

[slothen]

This is huge, no pun intended.  Seriously, this needs to be like #1 for the next DF talk.  Who knows how long we've been playing with tiny dwarfs?  Possibly YEARS!  Just think about the implications.  Poor Deathworks is running a fort with 7 dwarfs and 15 gnomes.  Seriously.  I'm imagining the tiny clone of the sheriff from "Squidbillies."  Is the modding forum informed?  is the DF Hack developer working furiously already on a patch?  The people demand answers.  OCCUPY BAY12 GAMES! 

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Another way to do this is to separate by birth year, which should be an easy variable to extract. Just find everyone who was born after the fort was founded. I'm pretty sure dwarves do NOT get born off-stage once worldgen ends.

Is that true? It seems like if that is the case, a long-lasting fortress could cause the civilization to go extinct. But I guess that is kinda what happened to Deathgate... although I figured that was just a case of them killing off the migrants faster than they could be replaced.

This has always been the case actually, but no more after the next release.

Lastly, creature size seems so important judging from the raws, I'm astonished that the individual creature size (after modifications for genetics, etc) isn't stored somewhere, and you have to get it by finding the blood amount.

[Emily Murkpaddled]

A++, an amazing ride to a stunning destination. I'm also surprised that the creature size isn't stored anywhere we're aware of as a discrete characteristic, just one we're inferring by the blood volume. It makes me imagine my dwarfs as perfectly-proportioned, gelatinized blood cubes sliding around the caves.

[Larix]

Great job, Urist!
I've just checked some of my longer-lasting forts, and it seems to be a general bug. I'm seeing the same phenomenon: dwarfs who immigrated have blood amounts mostly in the 4000-7000 range, fort-born dwarfs range from 500-1000. There are outliers which can go a good way below or above, including a dwarf with <400 blood. And yes, i found a mother who's tinier than the baby she gave birth to a few days ago. EDIT: i feel like that would be a fitting addition to 'body horror' in tvtropes...

It also holds for animals - imported cats range from 400-600 blood, fort-born from 100-180. There's also a named hen who arrived as a chick. Her blood amount is rated at 35. For reference, a crundle captured and trained at some point has ~1100 blood, more than fort-born dwarfs or dogs. Fort-born grizzly and polar bears have about as much blood as fully-grown dwarfs or goblins.

I do have two fort-born dwarfs with normal or at least almost-normal blood amounts, though - 2600 and 5000ish respectively. Those could use a closer look.

Editedit: Wagons have 1200 blood...
Now if only you could capture and tame them. To breed _smaller_ wagons.

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

fort-born dwarfs range from 500-1000.
imported cats range from 400-600 blood

Lol! We have adult dwarves who are smaller than cats!

EDIT: I modified the maxblood script to include birth year. I'm getting better at this!

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local this = dfhack.gui.getSelectedUnit()

print("Birth year: " .. this.relations.birth_year)
print("Blood: " .. this.body.blood_max)
Or, even better:

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local this = dfhack.gui.getSelectedUnit()

if this.relations.birth_year < 310 then
print("Migrant")
else
print("Natural-born")
end

print("Birth year: " .. this.relations.birth_year)
print("Blood: " .. this.body.blood_max)Replace 310 with the year you're fort was founded.

NOTE: The Migrant/Natural-born output only works for dwarves. Animals brought by traders, or captured in the fort can often be younger than the fort, and thus they'll be incorrectly displayed as "Natural-born." I'm not sure about pets brought by migrants.

[BoredVirulence]

I can't believe we've been playing with dwarves the size of cats without knowing it for so long...

[VerdantSF]

I can't believe we've been playing with dwarves the size of cats without knowing it for so long...

"Mommy, why is Litast so tiny?"
"Urist!  It's not polite to talk about another dwarf's height!"

I really do hope we can get size as a fully displayed attribute one day. 

[BoredVirulence]

I really do hope we can get size as a fully displayed attribute one day.

I wonder if Toady will be fixing this bug in the next bug fixing round. Although I never deal with in-bred dwarves because of the short nature of my forts, I can't stand the thought!

Perhaps if we modded children to have the same size as full grown dwarves...