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[slothen]

Dang, and I had just set up a blog to chronicle a natural-reproduction fort, and played out the first year. This is a pretty serious bug.

I bet the natural born dwarves haul rocks slower, too.

[Raphite1]

Is this one (plus the fort-born animals issue) in the bug tracker? I'm terrible at using that thing.

Would be nice to have this one knocked out in the next release.

[VerdantSF]

Hmm, it might explain the less than stellar performance of large squads of war animals - if you have many, most of them will be born in the fort, and with the lack of growth, they'd remain cub/pup-sized forever. And size is the main factor in determining an animal's combat efficiency.

Good point!  I stopped making new war grizzlies after seeing how poorly they did in combat.

[CognitiveDissonance]

Is this one (plus the fort-born animals issue) in the bug tracker? I'm terrible at using that thing.

Would be nice to have this one knocked out in the next release.

I... don't think it is, actually. Could someone post it with a save and instructions on how to check via dfhack?

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view_all_bug_page.php

Make a new user, post a new issue. It will give you all the options.

[VerdantSF]

I just added this to the bug tracker, but I don't have the blood_max script for DFHack.  Anyone know where I can get that?  I searched the DFHack depository at https://github.com/peterix/dfhack, but couldn't find it.

[CognitiveDissonance]

Here's the bugtracker entry:
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=6334

[Raphite1]

<3 Bay12 community.

This explains why my Giant Dingo defense pack kept getting absolutely mauled in my last fort.

Guess I'll keep my natural-reproduction fort going, and just give the the mini-warriors edged weapons and hope for the best. This opens the question of how I'll deal with the necromancer sieges...

[VerdantSF]

Here's the bugtracker entry

Oops, I meant to post the link.  Heheh, thanks.  I need some caffeine this morning!

[CognitiveDissonance]

Here's the bugtracker entry

Oops, I meant to post the link.  Heheh, thanks.  I need some caffeine this morning!

No problem. I'm here drinking caffeine (TEA FOR THE TEA GOD!) and it's Friday, so forum distractions are totally motivating me to work

By the way, for midget warriors, I strongly suggest spears. I love spears, and always equip my military with them. This explains why my military is more effective than most...

[VerdantSF]

By the way, for midget warriors, I strongly suggest spears. I love spears, and always equip my military with them. This explains why my military is more effective than most...

Don't they get a to-hit penalty if the weapon is multigrasp for them?  The minimum size for wielding spears 1-handed is larger than my mini-dwarves .

[CognitiveDissonance]

By the way, for midget warriors, I strongly suggest spears. I love spears, and always equip my military with them. This explains why my military is more effective than most...

Don't they get a to-hit penalty if the weapon is multigrasp for them?  The minimum size for wielding spears 1-handed is larger than my mini-dwarves .

Maybe, I actually don't know. Short Swords are only a bit smaller than other weapons (300 vs 400) but don't have the awesome reliable insta-kill that spears can do.
That might explain why my previously mentioned reliable militia doesn't hit as often To be honest though, I don't usually have a fort that lasts long enough for a second generation of dwarves. (I get bored, and start a new one)

[Mr S]

Wow, I just caught up with this thread, and... just, wow.  This is an amazing find.  It's incredible that this hasn't been found before.

Also super amazing is that a thread about some unlucky sod not killing as efficiently as you'd like turns out finding a bug that has major effects on core gameplay.  Do love B12!

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

People, please examine your own savegames/forts to see if this is a widespread bug. We appear to have a case of Dwarfism.

How? I don't understand how you got dwarves to be butchered, and what is this "blood_max" script? It doesn't seem to be part of DFHack.

EDIT: After a bit of searching, I've come to the conclusion that blood_max is NOT a script, it is an actual attribute of each unit in the game. I guess Urist Da Vinci either wrote a script to check it, or is somehow digging around in the actual save files.

[VerdantSF]

That means fortress-born dwarfs are pretty much useless for military?

I'm still testing, but it looks like Edem II can keep up with the big dwarves when he's using a short sword.  He still gets the odd bruise here and there with the blade of the sword, where the other swordsdwarves only bruise when they pommel strike.  Other than that, he's able to sever arteries and chop off limbs without too much trouble.  Certainly better than when he was using blunt weapons.  On a side note, Edem II is rocketing up the levels in each new weapon he trains with.  I don't use danger rooms, but I think the combination of his student skill and the fortress commander's teaching skill are making the levels a breeze.  Once he hits 20 in short swords, I'll switch him over to spears and monitor his progress with those.  He's on track to be the first dwarf in my fort to reach legendary in all native weapon skills .

[CognitiveDissonance]

That means fortress-born dwarfs are pretty much useless for military?

I'm still testing, but it looks like Edem II can keep up with the big dwarves when he's using a short sword.  He still gets the odd bruise here and there with the blade of the sword, where the other swordsdwarves only bruise when they pommel strike.  Other than that, he's able to sever arteries and chop off limbs without too much trouble.  Certainly better than when he was using blunt weapons.  On a side note, Edem II is rocketing up the levels in each new weapon he trains with.  I don't use danger rooms, but I think the combination of his student skill and the fortress commander's teaching skill are making the levels a breeze.  Once he hits 20 in short swords, I'll switch him over to spears and monitor his progress with those.  He's on track to be the first dwarf in my fort to reach legendary in all native weapon skills .

May I suggest a platinum-studded (to make it yours, as opposed to important) large iron dagger?