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[BurnedToast]

hox breakout confuses me. The reward is so high, and it's not a difficult map - day 1 as long as you stay ahead of the car (run ahead to the next point it's going to stop) you won't have to fight many cops. Day 2 is just camping a single power box, then some very easy objectives.

I don't know why they made it by far the best EXP and the best money, and it's only low-middle difficulty. I don't even know why you get so much money at all - moving 43(!) bags through sniper hell on train job pays less money then moving 0 bags on hox breakout. It's just so WTF.

White xmas is another really, really confusing map. It's obviously a survival map - constantly dropping packages + no wave end + periodic extraction. But it's totally backwards! The longer you stay, the slower packages drop (possibly a bug?) so the best way to run it is get the pilot out, then escape with as many packages as possible the first time it comes back. You will get a lot more cash then trying to stay and play it "properly" and survive as long as possible, and the exp is the same no matter what you do.

Have to agree with everything here.
The rebalance they did on the experience gained did help a little but then they went right back to screwing it up again. Also bonuses you get from missions you don't play often seems to be a lot smaller now. More or less taking away the part where even heists that paid a bit too little for their effort were worth playing from time to time (reward wise).
It would be nice to see xp gained depending a bit on the amount of loot you grab. So that spending more time on a mission is actually worth it compared to say doing it twice in the same time (white xmas comes to mind). Especially since you generally get into a lot more trouble when taking your time. Especially since money tend to be a very secondary priority compared to XP, I'm having a hard time finding something productive to do with it.

Bonuses (and penalties) were not originally in the game at all - they actually added it to (try) and stop people from rushing rats over and over.

After the rebalance, all the heists payed roughly the same exp for the time invested. It was not perfect, of course, but it was close enough that people could just play whatever they wanted. So, it makes perfect sense to lower the bonuses (and penalties) since they aren't really needed anymore.

Of course then they go ahead and add the ultimate farm map that's so much better then old rats was anyway and screw everything up again.. 

Edit: I agree with more loot = more exp too. The biggest mistake payday 2 made imo was decoupling loot from exp (in payday 1 cash = exp). It's too late now to switch it back, but maybe every million cash could give 5% bonus exp or something to help fix the risk vs reward, since right now you risk precious exp to get extra worthless cash.

[beorn080]

I think the game should give a completionist bonus, in addition to the stealth bonus, but on the next map as well. For example, if you go loud on a bank heist, but still get all the loose loot, and all the bags, you should get a 10-20% boost to the next xp chunk you get. Not sure exactly how much, and it would be map by map how the bonus works. But, it would give people more incentive to get 7 bags of meth and steal everything back and loot the bus if, in addition to the fairly worthless cash, they also got a fairly large boost to their next xp gain.

[BurnedToast]

New trailer out for *THE* diamond heist.

http://youtu.be/6eaK60YLCGU

They don't really show much of the actual heist, but the trailer is very nicely done and I'm excited.

[ThtblovesDF]

Looks cool, maybe adds pvp elements?

I always thought Hoxton breakout was well rewarded cause its one of the few "You can't sneak this man" missions - before each player was just a ghost, doing bank heists and urk-jobs all the time, this greatly rewarded me and my enforcer build.

Of course then I went infamous : / - They really should allow to reskill your trees without money loss sometime.

[BurnedToast]

I've seen other people suggest that, but I don't think it's that at all.

First, from a lore perspective one day you're shooting each other over *the* diamond... and then the next day you're back together to go rob a bank? maybe if it was the final DLC it could be the last heist in canon too where everything falls apart... but they've got at least two more heists planned (golden grin casino and whatever that new studio is making) and probably even more after that (there's still like a year of DLC support or something like that to go)

From a more metagame perspective... this is a local hosted game with no server migration. Shoot the host for the diamond, host kicks you and takes it back. Anyone else want to try for it?

No, I think it's just overkill trolling everyone expressing artistic licence and it has nothing to do with the actual heist at all.

[beorn080]

Looks cool, maybe adds pvp elements?

I always thought Hoxton breakout was well rewarded cause its one of the few "You can't sneak this man" missions - before each player was just a ghost, doing bank heists and urk-jobs all the time, this greatly rewarded me and my enforcer build.

Of course then I went infamous : / - They really should allow to reskill your trees without money loss sometime.

You make like 12 million for an overkill hoxton breakout. I seriously have nothing else to spend money on at this point.

Edit: Is it wrong that I hope this new Diamond heist ends up as close to a round of Paranoia as possible?

[KingofstarrySkies]

I am excite for Diamond. Also, Clover! I'd play her if I wasn't so wrapped up in THE HOXTON MASTER RACE

[RexMundi]

I always played new hox, now Huston, until the hox update, now i switch it up, lots of wolf again though like when i first started.

[PanH]

So, I kinda want to play payday2 again (stopped about 1 month after release), but ... a lot of things changed. Lots of dlc, new perks, infamy (). I'd also need to motivate a few friends to play with, since it kinda sucks alone. Can someone do a quick briefing, cause I've looked at the contents update, but they don't really say what changed gameplay wise.
I've noticed that they fixed grabbing bags through walls and stuff like that. Are shotguns still weird (one pellet needed to do full damage) or has it changed too ?

Also, looked at the diamond trailer (that's the sort of things that make me wanna play pd2 again), and isn't the guy that shoots Dallas the same that was standing behind Hitler with green glasses (you can see the green glasses on the diamond), so that's not really another member of the gang. Maybe a custom enemy for a mission ??

[Aedel]

It was also the same guy in the crowd during the French Revolution execution scene.

[Donuts]

green glasses (you can see the green glasses on the diamond)

CLOAKEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!

[Aedel]

green glasses (you can see the green glasses on the diamond)

CLOAKEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!

New gensec enemy promised
Stealthy dude with green glasses

Gensec cloaker when.

[BurnedToast]

So, I kinda want to play payday2 again (stopped about 1 month after release), but ... a lot of things changed. Lots of dlc, new perks, infamy (). I'd also need to motivate a few friends to play with, since it kinda sucks alone. Can someone do a quick briefing, cause I've looked at the contents update, but they don't really say what changed gameplay wise.
I've noticed that they fixed grabbing bags through walls and stuff like that. Are shotguns still weird (one pellet needed to do full damage) or has it changed too ?

stealth is no longer "dominate all the guards, run around risk free". You get 4 pagers total (does not matter who answers them) and dominated guards still need a pager answer.

deathwish difficulty is a thing, and it's kind of hard, but mostly just boring camping in a corner, grabbing minimal bags, then leaving.

Cloakers have been re-added. The safeword is "police brutality"

infamy is just a prestige system, reset your progress to get a higher number next to your name.

Rewards have been rebalanced, you get a ton more exp and cash now so you level up really fast.

skill tier bonuses removed, now you get "perk decks" which do different things. The important bonuses are shared between all the decks.

there's "preplanning" on some heists (and it's slowing being added to more) which is like buying assets but you pick where they go, and it's usually worse then assets because you have limited points so you can't buy everything.

You can pick and choose what music plays ingame with the music tab, buying new DLCs or the sountrack etc adds more songs to it.

Titan safes exist on some maps which can't be lockedpicked or C4'd.

old (british) hoxton is out of jail, it's even got a heist. new hoxton was renamed houston

John wick, the blatent advertising movie tie in for the generic action film of the same name is a playable character because...reasons.

shotguns are still weird.

desync is still a massive problem in stealth

I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff

[KingofstarrySkies]

green glasses (you can see the green glasses on the diamond)

CLOAKEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!

New gensec enemy promised
Stealthy dude with green glasses

Gensec cloaker when.

RIP everyone.

[PanH]

-snip-

Thanks. That helps a lot. Glad to see that cloakers are bad, I missed them