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[nenjin]

Well, the SMGs throw a sick amount of rounds per second. Even my silenced MP5, which has had its damaged halved, can deal with most things short of a bulldozer or those freaking FBI heavies. (The ones who take zero damage from center mass shots.)

That said, shotguns are amazing in this. The Bane Guide I got for the CCE says just one pellet from a shot has to hit to inflict full damage. That's...basically the opposite of shotgun logic in all other games. So when you shoot someone in the face, they pretty much die, all the way up to FBI level guys. Our guy riding shotgun regularly doubles my kills (I tend to play pretty conservatively.) You can take out multiples if with one shot if they're positioned right. I don't know if I've seen anyone using the Secondary shotgun.

I've ALSO watched my friend with a Primary shotgun jump on top of a heavy's shield and shoot down into his face. He doesn't do it all the time, so I'm thinking it isn't a sure thing. But it allows him to deal with Shields on his own most of the time.

[Teneb]

New update out, patch notes in the spoiler. It's about 980 megabytes in size.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Bain
-CCE gets +10% cost reduction on all purchases on the Black Market.

Invites
-Changed private lobby properties and changed how invite is sent/accepted.
-Invites to private now works.

Controller support
-Expanded Xbox 360 controller support by demand!
-Text on title screen showing xbox controller support when controller is connected (so you know it is working)
-You can now do text scrolling with controller
-Ingame-chat is now visible with controller
-Ingame-Voice chat is now available through push to talk with controller (press upwards on directional pad)

Miscellaneous
-You are no longer told that you will be released from custody as you get into custody (as you are done for...)
-Fix for crash when joining a spectator camera at times

Menu
-Team AI on/off setting is now saved when changing contract
-Can't kick a player at mission end screen (let's start with this and see if we need a vote system)
-Fixed a graphical glitch in end screen when level cap is reached

Loot Drop
-When 2 or more of the same weapon mod is in inventory, that weapon mod no longer drops.

Enemies
-Bulldozer now talks!
-Tazer also talks!
-Fix for client not being able to melee a Bulldozer

Weapons
-Added sound to the AK5 reload
-Improved AK47 reload
-Fixed bug with extended mag for R870 giving more ammo than intended

Skills
-DOMINATOR - Clients are now able to trade intimidated enemies

Bank Heist
-Bank Deposit is more rewarding (and more risky)
-Fixed an asset problem with cameras not highlighting the control box
-Fixed catwalk on bank roof that bugged out collision wise

Firestarter Day 3
-Fixed some objectives staying even though they were finished in some cases.
-Fixed the vault door glitch/exploit (you won't “accidentally” fall through it

Mallcrashers
-Reduced the amount of time between Bain saying damage values.
-Big bug removed on Mallcrasher, that gave players 30x the worth of small windows when destroying 3 bugged windows. Also, rebalanced so that small stuff (vases, bottles etc) give more than before. Also added car windows and upped car destruction value.

Art Gallery
-Fix for rare crash when client shoots at enemies while host leaves the game

Nightclub
-Fixed the pickup asset. Sometimes the guy took a day off and did not show up!
-Fixed crash sometimes when host was trading hostages
-Added real bad music to the bad music asset that reduces the amount of civilians in the club.
-Changed so music stops sooner. This prevents the too long overlap when the assault starts.

Big Oil
-Fixed keycard asset from Big oil 1 to Big Oil2 – it spawned 4 cards. Now it spawns 1 card and on the ground int front of the team when they start. The keycard is highlighted. Pick it up and open the door of choice.

Framing Frame
-Optimized some collision on the train

Jewelry store
-Fixed that if you stand on the safe door on Jewellery store while it's drilling, and then keep yourself on the door while it opens, as soon as you get off the door you fall through the floor to the base of the map, and then teleport back to the playable area. So now you can stand on the safe door.....
-Fixed so that Bain does not tell you the police are sending in harder units, even though there are no police as you are in full stealth.
-Made it so the small parking lot booth does not allow the police to walls of it if you are inside.

Rats
-Bain speaks the correct line when player gets money and intel. You did good here not bad

I like some of the non-bugfix changes such as being unable to kick a person in the loot drop screen.

[forsaken1111]

So just wondering... does anyone else find Bain's voice acting really stilted and lame?

[nenjin]

Yeah, he definitely sounds like he's reading from a script. Sounds most notable in Rats when he's supposed to sound confused and distracted.

[Teneb]

I think what bugs me most is that they also reused lines from Payday 1, where Bain's voice actor was clearly different (I think), and, in my opinion, better.

[PanH]

You can take out multiples if with one shot if they're positioned right. I don't know if I've seen anyone using the Secondary shotgun.

Our enforcer takes the locomotive when he has his saw. He likes it, though it's not as awesome as the last shottie. The Mosconi can one shot everything but bulldozers. I prefer the AMR-16 though, it's only drawback is it's small ammo capacity.

[Evilsx]

Well...I became space Jesus and all the cops stop shotting me...Until an bulldozer saw me and gave the his lord a face full for shells

(Day 3 of Framing Frame, all the cops stopped shooting me but i was delayed to everything and couldn't revive anyone)

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Please welcome Rhino:

http://goo.gl/535bqx

Highlights:
Nearly maxed out survivability from best armour and damage reduction
Satchel charges for quick jobs
Silent drilling for stealth
Weapon focus: Assault rifle

[Knight of Fools]

Apparently something was really wrong with the update and they rescinded it. RIP those with limited bandwidth.

[nenjin]

Saws and C4 let us do the Ukrainian Job, Pro, Overkill in about 4 minutes. Can be quick enough to get out before the cops show up and the van leaves. Of course, you have to bail on most of the jewelry. $90k, 15 to 20k xp and cards in 4 minutes. Nice.

[Knave]

Well...I became space Jesus and all the cops stop shotting me...Until an bulldozer saw me and gave the his lord a face full for shells

(Day 3 of Framing Frame, all the cops stopped shooting me but i was delayed to everything and couldn't revive anyone)

Oh man, that was YOU! ha ha, that was seriously the most messed up round I've plyed. Gratz to your bugginess though, we wouldn't have won without your jesus powers.

[PanH]

Saws and C4 let us do the Ukrainian Job, Pro, Overkill in about 4 minutes. Can be quick enough to get out before the cops show up and the van leaves. Of course, you have to bail on most of the jewelry. $90k, 15 to 20k xp and cards in 4 minutes. Nice.

Nightclub takes 3 minutes (fastest 2:48), give 150k, and around 25k xp. It's so fucking cheated I fear they're going to nerf C4.

[Knight of Fools]

There's an achievement for doing the Ukrainian Job in 35 seconds, which is impossible without C4. So I don't think they'll be changing it unless they change the achievement.

I do really think you should get a pay day (Card) for every day that you complete. That's the main thing I need right now (Besides experience), and the fastest way to do it is doing shorter, one-day jobs. If I got a card for every day I worked I would feel much more productive playing the variety of missions I do, even if it meant that I only got the cards after I completed the mission arc. Plus, when people finally unlock that promised seven-day mission, it'll be pure awesome getting a massive reward at the end.

As it is, the game just encourages way too much grinding on fast missions, like Ukrainian Job and Night Club. There's already far too few missions. Having the game mechanics encourage grinding the same heists because they're more rewarding is just making things worse.

[PanH]

There's an achievement for doing the Ukrainian Job in 35 seconds, which is impossible without C4. So I don't think they'll be changing it unless they change the achievement.

I know, and honestly, I feel like C4 isn't really op. It's just that Nightclub is insanely easy, and they should make nightclub harder, but people are complaining about C4, so yeah ...

I do really think you should get a pay day (Card) for every day that you complete.

Agreed. Once you're past level 30, you're flooded with money, and you need cards (and exp).

[Thexor]

I do really think you should get a pay day (Card) for every day that you complete.

Agreed. Once you're past level 30, you're flooded with money, and you need cards (and exp).

Double-agreed. Right now, there's little benefit to multi-day missions after a certain point, since you get fewer cards and the extra money isn't worth it. (Plus, less risk of the host quitting/crashing and you losing all your progress!)