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Building my own computer
« on: May 22, 2013, 05:47:43 pm »

I've been saving up for a new computer for a while now, and I've decided to ask the bay12 community, in all its technical wisdom, for some advice when it comes to making my own computer.

My first question: How much money should I save?
I'm wanting to get a rather decent computer that can run modern games without too much difficulty (the better the games can run, the better it is for me), but I don't want it to be too expensive. I'm not going to save beyond, maybe, £650, so that's the upper bracket.

Second (fairly obvious, and ties in with the first question): What components should I get? I'm gonna need a case as well, since I plan on letting my brother have the computer we share at present, so reusing the case is not an option.

And, once I get the parts, I'll return to this thread and ask about the assembly of it, so feel free to give advice on this, too.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 07:49:10 pm »

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2

http://www.logicalincrements.com/


Here is some links you can read. You should generally spend more on a GPU then a CPU if you are gaming.

edit: Also the specs of that computer you and your brother share if you are going to recycle some of the parts.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 07:54:21 pm »

Here's the "teach a man to fish" version (i.e. how I did it, partially floundering on my own, and the mistakes I made that you can learn from):

1: Decide your budget, as this determines everything else. You seem to have that done.
2: Make a list of everything you want, starting with most important (motherboard/processor/ram)
3: Start pricing components. You're generally looking for a downturn in prices just below the brand new stage, which will already have most of the bugs shaken out.
4: This is the important part: Research all of that as much as you can. You're looking for bugs, hardware failure, returns and serious complaints.
5: Once you've pared the list down, do 4 again. Check for compatibilities, backward compatibilities, and potential hardware conflicts. Most of this will be redundant work, but I have ordered the wrong parts before, from research failure.

Try and make sure your parts are all from roughly the same generation. I tried to save a bit of money and ended up having to replace motherboard/ram/videocard when one video card failed and I couldn't find anything else compatible.


The Tom's Hardware machines are a great place for a baseline, but don't feel forced to follow them as gospel.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 05:17:05 am »

I just went through buying a new computer. I'm hardly an expert, but I boggled at scores of sites' recommendations and such for months before I finally was sure of what I was going to do. I'll save you a little time and tell you some things I figured out.

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Good luck, and don't feel pressured to make a purchase! It took me nearly five months to finally come to a decision I was happy with, and I ended up getting some good deals because of it. If you're really patient, you might be able to catch some of the pre-Black Friday deals in the winter and save yourself a few pounds.
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 05:46:36 pm »

Also, if your in College you might be able to get a free product key if you look around.

Forgot this link: http://pcpartpicker.com
This link basically list different PC parts, also their associated prices with discounts across different online and offline retailers.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2013, 02:16:04 pm »

What are you looking for? Reasonable performance at reasonable price? Gaming monstrosity? What operating system do you own/plan to buy/LINUX for this machine?
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2013, 03:33:42 pm »

Some additonal questions. What games are you planning to play on it? And What settings? Is it purely for gaming or other uses? Are you still on the same budget? Do you want to overclock?

Explanations:

GPU or Graphic Processing Unit is good at computing big loads of information especially graphics.

PSU or power supply unit powers everything on your Motherboard. If you go over the amount of power your PSU can supply some parts won't run.

MOBO or Motherboard. This allows your parts to interact with eachother as one enitiy.

OC or Overclock. Increaes the amount of times your CPU or GPU executes information.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2013, 03:44:27 pm »

Numbers are pretty easy - Go as high as you can without breaking the bank.

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Remember, do your research and make sure your parts are compatible with each other. Mostly you just have to make sure you CPU, RAM, and GPU will all fit into your motherboard.

Ask more questions if you have any.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2013, 09:46:02 am »

Yeah, just to throw in my .02 (and everything I say, you WILL find people vehemently shouting the opposite, so...), but as far as general guidelines go: everything I've gotten from Asus has been shit. Everything I've gotten from ATI has also been shit. I've had good luck with both AMD and Intel CPU's, NVIDIA graphics cards, and gigabyte motherboards. Sony can and will sit on your mail-in rebate just to deny you your money.

If you're really fresh into the building scene, don't try to mess with overclocking. It's not tremendously complicated, but there is potential for hardware damage and it's just one more thing on a list of stuff you'll be learning as you go. Make a system by hand first so you can grok the process, then make the OC choice next time, if you desire.
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 11:25:11 am »

So I have my own computer that I'm going to be upgrading until late Spring, at which point I can tear out all of the components I bought myself and use them while building a whole new computer. Budget is meh, since it's upgrading (even if the upgrade is more like a rebuilding) until I build, at which point my budget will probably be what we would pay for a mid-to-high-end stock computer.

I already own a GPU, an Asus GeForce GTX 560Ti DirectCUII, which, as far as I know in terms of GPUs, is a fairly decent one in terms of power while not being monstrously overpriced.

Using the PC Part Picker site linked above, I've come up with a few parts I'd like, namely a AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor to replace my AMD Athalon II X2 250 Processor, which runs at about ~3.0GHz.

My issue is with the motherboard. The stock motherboard that comes with this model of computer is a N-Alvorix-RS880-uATX, which has an AM3 processor socket. The CPU I would like uses AM3+. Now, I don't know much of what I should look for in a motherboard (Other than making sure it has an AM3+ socket and some SATA connections for my hard drive), so that's the part I was hoping y'all could help out with.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 01:17:30 pm »

AM3+ mobos can socket Am3 CPU's, but AM3 sockets do not support AM3+ CPU's. AM3+ CPU's have one extra pin that regular AM3's don't. You'll also want to pay attention to the supported RAM type/clockspeeds, and the positioning of PCIE slots for your video card and the frontpanel hookups if you plan on using those. If the PCIE slot is very close to where the CPU heatsink will be, you might want to put another case fan on the out-facing side of the case for a bit more cooling.
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 02:58:14 pm »

Related question: Can I do this for a laptop?
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Re: Building my own computer
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 03:01:35 pm »

Related question: Can I do this for a laptop?
No, don't even try. Gaming laptops are terrible, and custom-making one would be more money than it's worth.

They usually all have the same problems. They overheat hot enough to the point you can cook eggs on it in a short time, the battery life is ridiculously low, and you're essentially paying a lot of money for a mediocre system when you could of used that money to get a top-end system.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2013, 03:27:34 pm »

I wasn't particularily thinking on a "pure" gaming laptop (albeit what I have in mind is buying one that can run some decent games at a good pace -eg: DF, C:DDA, Torchlight 2, Warband-). And I was wondering whether custom-buying it via PCBOX or simmilar services would be better (eg: cheaper) than getting a factory one. My idea was to spend about 600-700€.
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