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[CognitiveDissonance]

Rogues definitely aren't dead, and even new weird enjoyable things pop up now and then.  Sometimes projects fail.

Anyway... until next time on Rogue News! Where scandal is permanent, the news stories are randomized, and the empty husks of failed reporters leave bones files and come back to torment you later!

So what you're saying is, we need a roguelike where you are haunted by ghosts and husks of failed roguelikes.

[Aoi]

So what you're saying is, we need a roguelike where you are haunted by ghosts and husks of failed roguelikes.

http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=WebRaid + http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=List_of_Angband_variants

(I kid, I kid. I could've sworn the *band variants list was three times as long as few years back though. Maybe I just had a smaller monitor.)

[Mesa]

Roguelikes are great, but they don't appeal to mainstream/casual communities (who pretty much value graphics over gameplay and aesthetics).

I heard a great quote, which while originally was about DF, can be said about the genre as a whole.

You don't choose to play roguelikes - the roguelikes choose the ones that are ready to play them.

Or something along those lines, I suck with remembering that kind of things.

[i2amroy]

Plus, DF has really split into two games at this point. Adventure mode is definitely a rogue-like, just with an absurd amount of detail and systems. Fort mode is an RTS game with the same. Being absurdly detailed and feature rich doesn't necessarily mean either mode has reached its own genre. They're both stand on the shoulders of games that came before them.

I'd probably put DF Fortress mode into the "Simulation game" category alongside Sim City and the Sims before I put it in the RTS category.

And I agree with the others in this thread. Rougelikes aren't going to die any time soon, probably because they are some of the simplest games to make, so people are going to keep making them.

[Anvilfolk]

Hah, reminded me of some guy over at TIGsource:

"You see asperands, lowercase d’s, forward slashes…all I see anymore is heroes, wolves, and swords."

[Neonivek]

What is keeping roguelikes on the down low is mostly because of the competition.

If there was a perfection to the Nethack style it has been thoroughly examined.

Then the popularity of others keeps those similar down.

The reason why Roguelike has been mostly tacked on is because there was never an official definition. Thus people have been taking the best parts of roguelikes (Their focus on generation) and putting it into other genres.

Why does it still make it a roguelike to these people? Because it works for any genre of game.

Though Roguelike isn't a genre of game it is a sub of a sub genre.

[Tellemurius]

(lots of good examples)

And then there's all of the things over at Rogue Basin.  Yeah, roguelikes are doin' just fine. 

Yea i was going to use this as a perfect example of a not dead genre, its not going away.

[CognitiveDissonance]

Roguelikes are great, but they don't appeal to mainstream/casual communities (who pretty much value graphics over gameplay and aesthetics).

Spoiler: Friendly rant (click to show/hide)

I have to respond to this - people don't value graphics, but experience. Most people do NOT want their game to be difficult, long or frustrating. This is well exemplified by the success of casual games. For most games, most players will take the easier difficulties so they can experience the game and have fun.

I play everything on hard difficulty, hardcore options and ironman setting (new, love it). Regular games are not really made for that, and as a result, roguelikes simply do it better.

But it's not about the graphics. Graphics are simply a way to improve the experience. Games have long since split into "complex games" and "movie games". Mass Effect series walk the fence, and recent adaptations ie. new X-Com: EU really show the shift from gameplay to cinematic experience.

And people love it. Even I can appreciate it at times. If only it didn't come at the expense of gameplay, quality, storytelling and everything else...

[Mookzen]

Cataclysm no roguelike cuz no traverse teh dungoon and is no keel gobloid.

[CognitiveDissonance]

Cataclysm no roguelike cuz no traverse teh dungoon and is no keel gobloid.

> caves
> laboratiries
> manhacks
> zombie children

[freeformschooler]

Eventually, someone will make the perfect roguelike(like?) ripoff of Legend of Zelda, and I will have no further reason to continue living. No, Binding of Isaac was not it.