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[Max White]

So you are just going to say I'm naive and not give any justification... Yea, I'm the one who is a silly person. You're totally not even just resorting to unjustified name calling. Wonderful...

[Bauglir]

You're totally not even just resorting to unjustified name calling.

Well you can sit there on your high seat with your pretty princess crown

0_o

[Neonivek]

Psh shows how much he knows. It was a pretty princess ornamental circlet.

[ragnarok97071]

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So...

o.o this thread is now the 'watch Vector and random people have the same debate for the hundredth time' thread, mm?

Because whenever new stuff comes up, it always ends up as the same thing that's been talked about over and over and over and it's kinda starting to get annoying now.

[Neonivek]

It is because how do you talk about specifics when the basics are still up for debate?

[Vector]

o.o this thread is now the 'watch Vector and random people have the same debate for the hundredth time' thread, mm?

First of all, I am not the only person who shows up to these conversations consistently.

Second of all, if other women consistently posted in these threads, I wouldn't.  I feel it's helpful to hear a female point of view.

I hear you.  I'm annoying.  Whatever.

[Bauglir]

As a random person who posts pretty frequently in these, I'm going to spend all night harrumphing now. I hope you're happy, ragnarok97071, if that is your real name.

Also, you don't have to watch. Say whatever new stuff you think needs to show up. Otherwise, we're never going to stop annoying you.

[Neonivek]

I feel it's helpful to hear a female point of view

Ahhh, now that would be an interesting topic for debate.

After all the usual method for trying to reach a proper conclusion is to try to be free from bias. Yet this is openly inviting bias.

Yet does that bias carry the real weight of the discussion? Or does it weight it down?

[Bauglir]

That sounds suspiciously like waving off a eyewitness accounts as "biased".

[Vector]

I feel it's helpful to hear a female point of view

Ahhh, now that would be an interesting topic for debate.

After all the usual method for trying to reach a proper conclusion is to try to be free from bias. Yet this is openly inviting bias.

Yet does that bias carry the real weight of the discussion? Or does it weight it down?

"A female point of view creates bias"

FUCKING SERIOUSLY?  HOW IS THE FUCKING MALE POINT OF VIEW NOT BIASED?

[Neonivek]

FUCKING SERIOUSLY?  HOW IS THE FUCKING MALE POINT OF VIEW NOT BIASED?

To give a "female point of view" is to say "as a female, I feel"

Not many people here speak in the male point of view.

[Vector]

And your understanding of the universe, the information you collect, the things you know, the data to which you have access is not at all tainted or biased by being a man.

[Neonivek]

And your understanding of the universe, the information you collect, the things you know, the data to which you have access is not at all tainted or biased by being a man.

Would you like me to give the male perspective for the answer?

Which by the way, is my answer.

[Bauglir]

Neonivek, I don't think you understand what bias is, or the reasons why it's avoided. Because your argument seems to somehow hinge on the idea that because Vector pointed out that she's a woman, she must be less reliable than men who don't point out that they're men. There are... several leaps in your logic there that I'm completely unable to follow. But basically you need to explain why saying "This has relevance to me" could be automatic grounds for disqualification in a conversation.

[Neonivek]

Neonivek, I don't think you understand what bias is, or the reasons why it's avoided. Because your argument seems to somehow hinge on the idea that because Vector pointed out that she's a woman, she must be less reliable than men who don't point out that they're men. There are... several leaps in your logic there that I'm completely unable to follow. But basically you need to explain why saying "This has relevance to me" could be automatic grounds for disqualification in a conversation.

No, not at all. You are simply confusing a "Woman's perspective" and a "Woman's perspective".

One is an unavoidable bias simply from being a human being a "human perspective" while the other is intentionally giving personal bias from your "personal perspective".