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[Knight of Fools]

Oh, trust me, I understand that. I remember back in the day when I wanted an Xbox just so I could play the first Fable. I didn't think twice about, "Why isn't it on PC", despite that even back then I was primarily a PC gamer.

When Microsoft runs their own Xbone exclusive demos on a PC, though? Suddenly, the curtain's drawn back and the illusion is shattered. They're likely to alienate more customers by doing that than if they were to have a slightly less pretty looking set of pixels to show off. Microsoft is essentially nailing blocks of wood to their feet so that it can look slightly taller than Sony. Some folks won't be fooled, others will be or don't care, but those that get a glimpse of the blood covered stilts are going to have a couple of illusions shattered.

[TheBronzePickle]

Actually, the original Xbox used modified Windows code. Emulators were so simple to make for it that you could literally use the game disks with them, and they even had Windows emulators for the Xbox itself.

I don't know if the same is so true for the later versions of the Xbox, though. I imagine someone will figure it out, though.

[Tellemurius]

Actually, the original Xbox used modified Windows code. Emulators were so simple to make for it that you could literally use the game disks with them, and they even had Windows emulators for the Xbox itself.

I don't know if the same is so true for the later versions of the Xbox, though. I imagine someone will figure it out, though.

Unfortunately its not worth the effort, 360 itself is a pain to even softmod it anymore and to do anything requires a JTAG hack. Original xbox was very exploitable and not only were we able to hack into it easy we also had access to the XDKs which allowed us to BUILD on it making it even much better.

[ank]

Doesn't change the fact it'll still probably be forced on when the system itself is on, right?

First up, I think there will be a setting to change that, and secondly, if you really don't wonna use the kinnect when the system is on, I suggest unplugging the damn thing.

It's like: there is no way to turn off my television screen while my television is on, THE HORROR!

[kaian-a-coel]

some are afraid that the XBone will simply refuse to work then.

[Bdthemag]

Doesn't change the fact it'll still probably be forced on when the system itself is on, right?

First up, I think there will be a setting to change that, and secondly, if you really don't wonna use the kinnect when the system is on, I suggest unplugging the damn thing.

It's like: there is no way to turn off my television screen while my television is on, THE HORROR!

What has been HEAVILY implied so far is that while the XBone is on, that the Kinect also must be in. Microsoft clearly wants to further Kinect integration with various applications, and if they want to make a console focused around this it'd make sense they'd try to enforce some kind of always-on restriction for the Kinect. The only thing they've denied they wouldn't do so far, is that the Kinect didn't have to be on when the Xbox itself was off.

Also, that comparison makes zero sense. When I turn on my television, I'm getting exactly what I want when I turn it on. I want to watch TV, or some other form of video media. There are literally no strings attached, as long as you pay for cable, buy a movie, etcetera. What if I want to just play games on my console, and not have to deal with a peripheral I have zero interest in? Why should I be forced to use it?

[Graknorke]

Doesn't change the fact it'll still probably be forced on when the system itself is on, right?

First up, I think there will be a setting to change that, and secondly, if you really don't wonna use the kinnect when the system is on, I suggest unplugging the damn thing.

It's like: there is no way to turn off my television screen while my television is on, THE HORROR!

The analogy breaks down because you need the screen to actually watch television. You don't need the kinect to play games, because it is a useless piece of shit, which should be obvious because it's a motion controller.

[ank]

granted the analogy isn't relevant and was there for humorous purposes, still, I might use the television for listening to the radio(or rather used to, since all the channels now broadcast tv 24-7, where they used to have 10-16 hours of radio... I'm getting old)

Anyways, to make the Xbone only work when a kinnect is kinnected, seems flat-out retarded.(have you guys noticed that the word "retarded" is used far more in this thread than any other?)
I am giving MS the benefit of the doubt, and I strongly believe the kinnect will end up posing no more risk than my laptop.

That said, the last console I owned was a Sega Mega-drive, and i don't intend on changing that any time soon.
For me this is simply piling on shit on an already shit covered mountain: it was already to shitty to climb.

[miauw62]

I've already said it before: to me, the last console that I consider good was the PS2. Well, except for the DS, which is probably the best modern handheld console.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I've already said it before: to me, the last console that I consider good was the PS2. Well, except for the DS, which is probably the best modern handheld console.

I could probably make a case for the DSi, (or at the very least DSlite ) but yeah. That. Well, Dreamcast was pretty good too, in its own way.

[Graknorke]

The Dreamcast came before the PS2 though.

[Sean Mirrsen]

The Dreamcast came before the PS2 though.

Hm, did it? I think I'm confusing the order the last two of Sega's consoles came in again. Saturn was the PS2-contemporary, wasn't it. Yeah, that'd make PS2 the last decent console on the market.

edit: no, I guess I'm not. Dreamcast was the contemporary, it just came out earlier. Well, technically PS2 killed it. Shame, really.

[miauw62]

It's not really the console, either, it's just the games that are a LOT less fun.

[Moghjubar]

I consider good consoles to be:
PS2
PS
SNES
Genesis
NES

With DS getting honorable mention.  The DC, while a good console on its own, just didn't last long enough and have the ability to compete gamewise.  I have no experience with the Saturn, but some people really liked that one, so dunno.

All the gameboy lines have been fair to good as well, for what they were.

On modern to semi modern consoles, all have been middling to fair, IMO.  Gamecube and N64 were kind of middling (though had a few gems) then Wii was fair, and at some times good (especially after game downloads and whatnot to somewhat modernize the Nintendo line... though the other game lineup kinda sucks).  Xbox and Xbox 360 were fair... and I had a crapton of problems while playing various games on them, so... yeah.  PS3 was kind of a joke for awhile, then became fair later (bro took that one). 

[itisnotlogical]

I'm a hopeless N64 fanboy and almost all my favorite games are on there, so I can't say very much about it objectively. I'd say it has the PS beat in graphics, but even I can admit it lost out in sound. It's also slim pickings for RPGs on the N64.

I found the DS line's build quality to be generally much lower than the Gameboy line. My GBA SP is still going strong after seven years of being dropped on the ground and generally mistreated, but my three-year-old DS Lite (that I treat with kid gloves) is already having shoulder button issues. The D-pad is extremely squishy and seems too small for the hole it sits in, making it very unsatisfying to use compared to the clicky goodness of the GBA. It also fails to read DS cards and GBA cartridges fairly often in my experience.

The original Xbox was pretty good. It had some strong exclusives like Halo and Halo 2, as well as JSRF. Xbox also tended to have better ports for multi-platform releases IIRC. Barring modded consoles, it was stupid to have to have the remote to play DVDs on the damn thing. Game demos included on DVDs were always cool though, I remember the Battlefront II demo being the only redeeming quality of Revenge of the Sith.

I have a Gamecube, but I only have three games for it so I can't really judge it. Not having any internal memory is a pretty glaring flaw for a sixth-generation console, but it keeps working if you gently nudge it (unlike the N64, which locks up if you give it a mean look). I like that I can reuse my N64's AV cables. I also like how the controller buttons are all very large, it makes it very satisfying to push them.