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[alexandertnt]

Oh, and core/hardcore crowds don't like games entirely because it's "rewarding" or to min-max or whatever the hell you were trying to say. They do it because they're essentially the hobbyists of the genre, the people who are very invested in the overall industry and state of video-games. You know how some people really get into model cars? That's very similar to someone who is a game hobbyist, a.k.a. core/hardcore.

I was implying that I would not regard myself as a hardcore gamer (despite being a DF fan etc) based on the description that you gave. I was not trying to say anything more than that.

[Bdthemag]

Oh, and core/hardcore crowds don't like games entirely because it's "rewarding" or to min-max or whatever the hell you were trying to say. They do it because they're essentially the hobbyists of the genre, the people who are very invested in the overall industry and state of video-games. You know how some people really get into model cars? That's very similar to someone who is a game hobbyist, a.k.a. core/hardcore.

I was implying that I would not regard myself as a hardcore gamer (despite being a DF fan etc) based on the description that you gave. I was not trying to say anything more than that.

You're right, playing DF doesn't instantly make you a hardcore gamer (I hate using the term gamer so fucking much.) That's where my description falls short, I was just providing an example in a way that sort of sums up the "main" demographics for gaming nowadays.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I can tell you they have 3 "feature sheets" for three separate demographics.

Ah, it's nice to distill creativity to bullet points. Saying that like it's a positive thing shows me how lifeless and money oriented the internal workings of what we call the 'video game' industry is..

[Bdthemag]

Xbox One Games at E3 were apparently running on Windows 7 with Nvidia GTX cards.

I find it funnier that Microsoft didn't feel comfortable running their games on you know, their latest operating system.

Sony claims they ran their games on PS4 devkits after being asked about the Xbox One games at E3.

[da_nang]

Hilarious. How big of a pit can they dig? They'll soon be in China with a non-functioning console!

[alexandertnt]

Xbox One Games at E3 were apparently running on Windows 7 with Nvidia GTX cards.

I find it funnier that Microsoft didn't feel comfortable running their games on you know, their latest operating system.

Hey, at least this suggests that porting the games (either way) should be easy, right? Well, except for the exclusivity agreements. And all the rest of the business crap that gets in the way. Gotta love the video game industry.

[Tellemurius]

Hell emulation would be stupid easy (lol libraries FTW)

It's a plethora of issues that combine into one hideous, mind melting beast that makes backwards compatibility less enticing for big businesses.

On the PS3, they used to include an extra processor so you could run PS2 games. They since stopped, partly because it was cheaper, but also because the PS3 had the new digital store come out where you could buy all the old PS2 games digitally. The downloadable PS2 games would be optimized for the new system, unlike the disc version. Boom, Sony saves money and makes money. Expect to see PS3 games on sale in the PS4 digital marketplace some time in the future.

Note, of the games that have made it over from ps2 to ps3 via store, from what i was told by a coder the games were either running on a crap emulator or the original dev team rebuilt the code for the ps3 usage with software limiter to conform to ps2 speeds. Sony knew they would be pissing people off when they cut out the ps2 hardware (still pissed ever since they cut out OtherOS!). They never bothered to even phase out the ps2 they just devs continue working on it until they might bother looking at the ps3. Ps2 emulation hands down will go down as one of the toughest things to ever do, hell even the current pc version still requires a powerful quad-core to be able to play full speed.

PS3 architecture is hard. With one CPU core and 6 parallel Cell units, how the hell can anyone be able to emulate that on a x86 arch unless you got a crapton of HLE going on. This is why they said the ps3 games on the ps4 market will be done via streaming from their cloud servers.

[Tellemurius]

Hilarious. How big of a pit can they dig? They'll soon be in China with a non-functioning console!

They'll probably pull a sim city; Unable to play any games for the first week or two after release, then it'll be really patchy, then they will keep their mouths shut and go on with their daily life in a pile of cash.

Fixed cause thats what happened to Simcity

[foil]

Haha Xbone finally got about 2k votes on Amazon survey, vs 38k votes for PS4.

https://www.facebook.com/AmazonVideoGames/app_153839431317646

[kaian-a-coel]

Well...

[nenjin]

Well...

As it has been since the Xbox's premiere, this is what MS does.

[Knight of Fools]

Regardless, that's pretty damning with everything else they've been trying to pull. How are you supposed to say, "Xbone exclusive" when your demos were running on PCs?

[ank]

I am honestly apprehensive about both consoles for different reasons, but equally so. I don't like the potential used game fiasco that xbox might do(even though I really don't trade games since they only give you like $9). I also don't like the kinnect always being on because it will be a headache with my overly paranoid(but cute) wife. Then there is the constant sharing/social crap PS does, plus they get hacked a couple of times a year and I wasn't happy with how they addressed it. Further, PSN servers go down a lot but it has slightly better hardware than the Xbox.

I'll keep the Xbox in my living room, since I use mine now for movies a lot and it has the space for Kinnect.
I'll put the PS4 in the bedroom since it's nearly pure gaming and I don't have to worry about accidental sex tape exposure.

Just to put your mind at ease:
Microsoft have already stated that the kinnect can in fact be made to turn off when the system is off, by changing a setting.
In my mind, the risk with the kinnect is about the same as with the webcam in my laptop.

[Bdthemag]

I am honestly apprehensive about both consoles for different reasons, but equally so. I don't like the potential used game fiasco that xbox might do(even though I really don't trade games since they only give you like $9). I also don't like the kinnect always being on because it will be a headache with my overly paranoid(but cute) wife. Then there is the constant sharing/social crap PS does, plus they get hacked a couple of times a year and I wasn't happy with how they addressed it. Further, PSN servers go down a lot but it has slightly better hardware than the Xbox.

I'll keep the Xbox in my living room, since I use mine now for movies a lot and it has the space for Kinnect.
I'll put the PS4 in the bedroom since it's nearly pure gaming and I don't have to worry about accidental sex tape exposure.

Just to put your mind at ease:
Microsoft have already stated that the kinnect can in fact be made to turn off when the system is off, by changing a setting.
In my mind, the risk with the kinnect is about the same as with the webcam in my laptop.

Doesn't change the fact it'll still probably be forced on when the system itself is on, right?

[hemmingjay]

They have been saying that there will be a lot of options for privacy settings since they are aware that people are concerned about the kinnect always on feature. There is equal information to infer either likelihood at this time.